n_huffhines
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Rodaman was a celebrity. Not a star basketball player.
He was a great REBOUNDER. So like I said a great ROLE player. He role was rebound and defense. He was great at those things. That is like saying Pat Bev or Marcus Smart is a star because he is a great defender and a good rebounder for his position.
40% to 100%
4 to 6
1 team to three handpicked teams
Two less teams in the league
MJ leading scorer in 80% of Finals games played. Lebron leading scorer in 42%.
Lets not even get into the All Stars played with.
More impressive easily.
Here's why I believe the 4 and 6 argument is such a bad one when it comes to LeBron's legacy.
It's really the dumbest **** ever. Somehow losing early in the playoffs makes your legacy better than losing in the finals. By that logic, Jimmy Butler lost ground to Giannis during this playoff. Makes no sense.
Rodaman was a celebrity. Not a star basketball player.
He was a great REBOUNDER. So like I said a great ROLE player. He role was rebound and defense. He was great at those things. That is like saying Pat Bev or Marcus Smart is a star because he is a great defender and a good rebounder for his position.
40% to 100%
4 to 6
1 team to three handpicked teams
Two less teams in the league
MJ leading scorer in 80% of Finals games played. Lebron leading scorer in 42%.
Lets not even get into the All Stars played with.
More impressive easily.
NBA news: Hakeem Olajuwon's on LeBron James-Michael Jordan debate
“Jordan was a far more superior player in a very tough league, and he was very creative. That’s not taking away anything from LeBron because he is a great player, but it is not a fair comparison because Jordan is a far superior player.”
NBA news: Hakeem Olajuwon's on LeBron James-Michael Jordan debate
“Jordan was a far more superior player in a very tough league, and he was very creative. That’s not taking away anything from LeBron because he is a great player, but it is not a fair comparison because Jordan is a far superior player.”
An appeal to authority is a logical fallacy.
The accolades have been posted several times. His career even before the second threepeat was more accomplished then LBJ's whole career.I think it's fair to point out who the other greats think is the best but I also need to hear their reasons because there are really bad arguments on both sides. "He was creative" and "the league was tough" are not good reasons. "He was far more superior" is a good reason but it's completely a matter of opinion, high concept, and doesn't explain anything. Still, it's Hakeem and it counts for something.
Longevity stats and losses.Lebron is going to lap MJ on rebounds, assists, and possibly finals appearances but just say whatever pops in your head. It'll play.
Longevity stats and losses.
lmao
In that case Karl Malone is a top 5 player all time and the Bills are a great NFL dynasty.
Lets talk scoring titles, All NBA Defense, DPOY, MVPs, CHAMPIONSHIPS
So they have close to ten scoring titles and the most or even second most MVPs ever?Non sequitur
"In that case, Durant and AI are top 3 players and Bill Russell is the GOAT." - if I responded to you with non-sequitur BS
So they have close to ten scoring titles and the most or even second most MVPs ever?
There is no comparison for any of MJ's accomplishments. Maybe Gretzky or Tiger at his peak.
MJ's accomplishments are great but number of scoring titles doesn't really matter that much to me. You apparently put a ton of value on it. Harden and Westbrook won the last 4 scoring titles and they are not top 5 players. 10 finals appearances is more impressive than 9 scoring titles. Most MVP's is nice, but so is being the best player in the league for a 13+ year run. They have different types of accomplishments, both astounding.
10 scoring titles is way more impressive for an individual player than than 10 team TRIPS. Now ten wins would be another conversation.
Jordan was the best player for a decade no question. Lebron is not the best player in the league and was not for 13 years plus. About 7 or 8.
Kobe then Lebron, now KD or Giannis after him.
The East was weak. When he played good teams in the playoffs he lost. All of those trips beating 40 win Wizards teams don't impress most.
Finals appearances that are not wins have never been considered an accomplishment until people looked for something to praise LeBron about.
4 of 10 is bad. No way to spin it. He faced teams on his level in the Finals and isn't even .500.
They don't have different types. MJ just has more.
More MVPS, more titles, more DPOYS, more All NBA Defense.
In less time.
Nope.It's not 4 out of 10 and it's not 6 out of 6, it's 6 out of 15 and 4 out of 17.
Conversely, it's 10 out of 17 and 6 out of 15.