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bleedingTNorange said:
I guess you BBB guys have not only ignored Hart won't bring him back, but have ignored those saying Bruce wouldn't even come back if offered.

That would be hysterical, to watch him get offered and turn Tennessee down, this board would cease to exist.[/QUOTE]

what would be more hysterical is Pearl getting offered and accept the Tenn job and you would need a padded room.
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whocaresgobobcats said:
this is my fear. they squeak in the tourney, do nothing, give CCM an extension and we are stuck with incompetence for 3 more years with less talent.
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What few Martin defenders he has. they will be ecstatic. Regardless what Martin does this year, he is a complete joke.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Petrino's "incident" had nothing to do with any sort of NCAA rules violations, and it didn't occur at Louisville. Let me be clear, that doesn't excuse it or minimize it, but it does make a HUGE difference if you're trying to draw a correlation to why Tennessee should rehire Pearl by virtue of UL rehiring Petrino.

Pearl broke NCAA rules (which isn't the real issue), then lied to the NCAA, and was FIRED FROM TENNESSEE for those actions.

I'm not sure how much clearer I can demonstrate the vast difference in the two cases.
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As I said there is no denying that the circumstances in which they left or were terminated from the two schools were different. The point I am trying to make is that if you would have asked both administrations at that time if those coaches would ever be back at their school the answer would have been absolutely not. Louisville realized whatever hard feelings were created in the past were not worth forfeiting the success they would have if they hired him back.
 
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Volinmem said:
Maybe you should read into the rules and regulations of a show cause before you call someone else a fool. The only additional punishment is if there are violations during the show cause. This fall under the "zero tolerance" rule. There is no additional penalties permitted once the show cause is over, to think that it's possible just let's me know that you think you know more than you actually do. I'm not trying to slam you or call you names, just trying to point out the parameters of a show cause.
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My opinion has nothing to do with his show-cause penalty. It has everything to do with the NCAA's selective enforcement/punishment. His show-cause is up in 8/2014, but if you think the NCAA is going to simply "be okay" with Tennessee rehiring Pearl, then your head is buried in the sand. While it's true, they can't stop it from happening, they won't be doing Tennessee any favors before the Infractions Committee if Pearl slips up under the watch of the Tennessee AD. They will nail us to the wall, and the idea of rehiring Pearl has to be weighed against that possibility.

The original point being, the Petrino and Pearl situations are almost nothing alike, and the idea that UL rehiring Petrino is justification for Tennessee rehiring Pearl is just misinformed.
 
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allvol21 said:
As I said there is no denying that the circumstances in which they left or were terminated from the two schools were different. The point I am trying to make is that if you would have asked both administrations at that time if those coaches would ever be back at their school the answer would have been absolutely not. Louisville realized whatever hard feelings were created in the past were not worth forfeiting the success they would have if they hired him back.
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And Petrino left Louisville on his own. There is ZERO comparison between the two. If Pearl left for an NBA job and then was potentially rehired, you'd have an argument. But it couldn't be more different.
 
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allvol21 said:
As I said there is no denying that the circumstances in which they left or were terminated from the two schools were different. The point I am trying to make is that if you would have asked both administrations at that time if those coaches would ever be back at their school the answer would have been absolutely not. Louisville realized whatever hard feelings were created in the past were not worth forfeiting the success they would have if they hired him back.
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I don't disagree that UL swallowed their pride to rehire Petrino. I contend though, that the only risk in them doing so is the short-term hit to their public image because of his personal misdeeds at Arkansas.

Tennessee would take the negative hit to their image in addition to the possibility of being more harshly punished for any NCAA rules violations under a new Pearl regime. Fair or not, the NCAA will view Tennessee rehiring Pearl immediately off of his penalty as a spiteful act, and their selective punishments will be heavily delivered in our directiin IMO.
 
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cncchris33 said:
My opinion has nothing to do with his show-cause penalty. It has everything to do with the NCAA's selective enforcement/punishment. His show-cause is up in 8/2014, but if you think the NCAA is going to simply "be okay" with Tennessee rehiring Pearl, then your head is buried in the sand. While it's true, they can't stop it from happening, they won't be doing Tennessee any favors before the Infractions Committee if Pearl slips up under the watch of the Tennessee AD. They will nail us to the wall, and the idea of rehiring Pearl has to be weighed against that possibility.

The original point being, the Petrino and Pearl situations are almost nothing alike, and the idea that UL rehiring Petrino is justification for Tennessee rehiring Pearl is just misinformed.
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They would only "nail us to the wall" if the infraction warranted such punishment. This idea that they would be out to get us, is just absurd. I'm not going to change your mind, but the NCAA has guidelines to follow as well.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I don't disagree that UL swallowed their pride to rehire Petrino. I contend though, that the only risk in them doing so is the short-term hit to their public image because of his personal misdeeds at Arkansas.

Tennessee would take the negative hit to their image in addition to the possibility of being more harshly punished for any NCAA rules violations under a new Pearl regime. Fair or not, the NCAA will view Tennessee rehiring Pearl immediately off of his penalty as a spiteful act, and their selective punishments will be heavily delivered in our directiin IMO.
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I will not argue that the two situations would be viewed differently by the NCAA. Like you said fair or not, there is no denying that the AA would likely view it as a slap in the face. Also just for the record, as badly as I would like to see it I know that CBP will never be on the tennessee sidelines. Not only because the university would not explore that option, neither would he.
 
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bnhunt said:
Is Pearl even a realistic option? If he is, then we need to pick up the damn phone when his show cause ends. We know one thing with Pearl - he will get us to the tourney EVERY year. Can you imagine the buzz it would create and he would know it's his last shot and I have no concern about him screwing up with NCAA. It sounds like some people more in the know say it isn't happening.
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Pearl is not a option and will never be a option. Let it go.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I don't disagree that UL swallowed their pride to rehire Petrino. I contend though, that the only risk in them doing so is the short-term hit to their public image because of his personal misdeeds at Arkansas.

Tennessee would take the negative hit to their image in addition to the possibility of being more harshly punished for any NCAA rules violations under a new Pearl regime. Fair or not, the NCAA will view Tennessee rehiring Pearl immediately off of his penalty as a spiteful act, and their selective punishments will be heavily delivered in our directiin IMO.
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I agree with Volinmem. Once his show cause expires there is no probation or zero tolerance and he will be subject to the same infractions and penalties as any other coach. I understand the argument that Pearl may be under more scrutiny by the NCAA than other coaches, which I don't necessarily agree with, but if the NCAA starts handing out arbitrary and capricious punishments to one school, then they will face legal action from that school. If UK doesn't get more scrutiny for Calipari, then UT or any other school won't for hiring Pearl. What Calipari did at UMASS and Memphis far exceeds anything Pearl did while at UT.
 
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Volinmem said:
They would only "nail us to the wall" if the infraction warranted such punishment. This idea that they would be out to get us, is just absurd. I'm not going to change your mind, but the NCAA has guidelines to follow as well.
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What are those guidelines? Who wrote them? Who enforces them?

The NCAA isn't accountable to any other governing body outside of the law. They rule as they see fit. There is an appeals process for schools that feel that the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

USCw and Penn St. punishments relative to the Miami and UNC punishments tell me that the NCAA guidelines are open to fairly loose interpretation.
 
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cncchris33 said:
What are those guidelines? Who wrote them? Who enforces them?

The NCAA isn't accountable to any other governing body outside of the law. They rule as they see fit. There is an appeals process for schools that feel that the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

USCw and Penn St. punishments relative to the Miami and UNC punishments tell me that the NCAA guidelines are open to fairly loose interpretation.
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The NCAA is a profitable organization that must adhere to and follow laws as any other organization or business. They can be sued for various reasons just like anyone else. They are not God, they just want you to believe they are.
 
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bnhunt said:
I agree with Volinmem. Once his show cause expires there is no probation or zero tolerance and he will be subject to the same infractions and penalties as any other coach. I understand the argument that Pearl may be under more scrutiny by the NCAA than other coaches, which I don't necessarily agree with, but if the NCAA starts handing out arbitrary and capricious punishments to one school, then they will face legal action from that school. If UK doesn't get more scrutiny for Calipari, then UT or any other school won't for hiring Pearl. What Calipari did at UMASS and Memphis far exceeds anything Pearl did while at UT.
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Hunt...there was a point and time that I wanted to believe like this but after what I have seen over the last 10 years I have no confidence that the NCAA will do what is right much less what is fair. Obviously they cannot levy penalties at Pearls opening pressor just because we hired him. But if they want to find something they will. If they wanted to find something with cal they could but it would cost them too much $$$.
 
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Volinmem said:
The NCAA is a profitable organization that must adhere to and follow laws as any other organization or business. They can be sued for various reasons just like anyone else. They are not God, they just want you to believe they are.
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First, the NCAA is a non-profit organization. Second, I never suggested they couldn't be sued, they were immune from the laws of this country, or that they were God.
 
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cncchris33 said:
First, the NCAA is a non-profit organization. Second, I never suggested they couldn't be sued, they were immune from the laws of this country, or that they were God.
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Sorry, I'm on my phone, it was a typo. Trying to multi task. But the point is, they must adhere to laws just like any other organization, whether its non profit or not. All it takes is for 1 university to have proof of misconduct by the NCAA, and be willing to stand up to them, to stop any wrong doings.
 
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Volinmem said:
Sorry, I'm on my phone, it was a typo. Trying to multi task. But the point is, they must adhere to laws just like any other organization, whether its non profit or not. All it takes is for 1 university to have proof of misconduct by the NCAA, and be willing to stand up to them, to stop any wrong doings.
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Proving misconduct by the NCAA is like trying to prove misconduct by the US Government. You can try, but it's likely a fool's errand.
 
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#195
Wouldn't mind seeing us taking a look at will wade if Cuonzo is gone in a few years. Shaka disciple who has UTC playing some good ball in his first year as a head coach. Plays an exciting brand that would mesh well with the athletes we have recruited. Obviously he is very green but I wouldn't be surprised to see UTC dancing again if not this year then next.
 
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#197
CAVol said:
Wouldn't mind seeing us taking a look at will wade if Cuonzo is gone in a few years. Shaka disciple who has UTC playing some good ball in his first year as a head coach. Plays an exciting brand that would mesh well with the athletes we have recruited. Obviously he is very green but I wouldn't be surprised to see UTC dancing again if not this year then next.
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Was thinking the same thing yesterday. Unfortunately timing may not work if Martin is gone this year or next, but down the road I think he's gonna be a good win.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I don't disagree that UL swallowed their pride to rehire Petrino. I contend though, that the only risk in them doing so is the short-term hit to their public image because of his personal misdeeds at Arkansas.

Tennessee would take the negative hit to their image in addition to the possibility of being more harshly punished for any NCAA rules violations under a new Pearl regime. Fair or not, the NCAA will view Tennessee rehiring Pearl immediately off of his penalty as a spiteful act, and their selective punishments will be heavily delivered in our directiin IMO.
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Petrino and Pearl is two different things. Petrino left Louisville for the NFL. Pearl lied to the NCAA. Pearl will never coach at UT ever again. Get over it people. The bad part about Pearl was it was a secondary violation he lied about.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Was thinking the same thing yesterday. Unfortunately timing may not work if Martin is gone this year or next, but down the road I think he's gonna be a good win.
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That's my fear as well. Agreed that he will be a good one. As a Chattanoogan, if UT doesn't get him I hope he's able to bring UTC back. We used to be a team that consistently went dancing.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I really doubt they'll move on him this year if he fails to make it again. He'll win enough games to warrant a chance next year with a team of players he is solely responsible for IMO.

Not that I agree with that decision, but I think that is how the AD will justify it while they eat another year of mediocre play to save on his buyout reductiin in 2015.
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This is exactly what will happen.
 
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