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#126
#126
cncchris33 said:
Review the previous 8 pages. Petrino to Louisville and Pearl to Tennessee have almost nothing in common. Petrino left Louisville on his own in good standing (except maybe some hurt feelings from the UL side). Pearl was fired from Tennessee. Each coach's prodigal return would come under vastly different circumstances.
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Even though circumstances were somewhat different both have had incidences that were in national media spotlight. The only real difference here is that Louisville was able to swallow their pride and hire back a proven winner regardless of what happened in the past.
 
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#127
#127
allvol21 said:
Even though circumstances were somewhat different both have had incidences that were in national media spotlight. The only real difference here is that Louisville was able to swallow their pride and hire back a proven winner regardless of what happened in the past.
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Ding ding ding. We have a winner! I was basically typing the same thing (see above).
 
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#129
#129
Yankee_Vol said:
How many threads on this do we need?
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As many as it takes. Better than talking about that pathetic joke of a game today. I really didn't intend this to be a bring back Bruce thread and wanted some possible names out there once we decide to go in a different direction at season's end.
 
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#131
#131
cncchris33 said:
Review the previous 8 pages. Petrino to Louisville and Pearl to Tennessee have almost nothing in common. Petrino left Louisville on his own in good standing (except maybe some hurt feelings from the UL side). Pearl was fired from Tennessee. Each coach's prodigal return would come under vastly different circumstances.
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Pearl was only fired because the corrupt NCAA had a gun to our head and our leaders had no guts. If we had had university leadership that displayed guts and stood up to the bullies by threatening a lawsuit over the way overly harsh penalty Pearl received, then we could have kept the best basketball coach we ever had.
 
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#132
#132
bnhunt said:
I would think the hurt feelings from Louisville after Petrino left were probably stronger than ours after Pearl got fired. A lot of UT fans blamed the NCAA for what was perceived by some as a minor infraction. If Louisville could set aside their hurt feelings and make what they perceive as the best hire for their program, then why can't UT do the same (once show cause ends obviously)?
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I'm not saying they can't rehire Pearl. I just don't believe that they will. It would be an unprecedented move, and one that would draw the ire of the NCAA.
 
#134
#134
cncchris33 said:
I'm not saying they can't rehire Pearl. I just don't believe that they will. It would be an unprecedented move, and one that would draw the ire of the NCAA.
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Call me naive, but I think Pearl will get another shot and I don't think the NCAA cares where it is and will give them same level of scrutiny to whatever program hires him. My god, if Calipari is still coaching, then anyone has a chance.
 
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#135
#135
allvol21 said:
Even though circumstances were somewhat different both have had incidences that were in national media spotlight. The only real difference here is that Louisville was able to swallow their pride and hire back a proven winner regardless of what happened in the past.
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Petrino's "incident" had nothing to do with any sort of NCAA rules violations, and it didn't occur at Louisville. Let me be clear, that doesn't excuse it or minimize it, but it does make a HUGE difference if you're trying to draw a correlation to why Tennessee should rehire Pearl by virtue of UL rehiring Petrino.

Pearl broke NCAA rules (which isn't the real issue), then lied to the NCAA, and was FIRED FROM TENNESSEE for those actions.

I'm not sure how much clearer I can demonstrate the vast difference in the two cases.
 
#136
#136
cncchris33 said:
Petrino's "incident" had nothing to do with any sort of NCAA rules violations, and it didn't occur at Louisville. Let me be clear, that doesn't excuse it or minimize it, but it does make a HUGE difference if you're trying to draw a correlation to why Tennessee should rehire Pearl by virtue of UL rehiring Petrino.

Pearl broke NCAA rules (which isn't the real issue), then lied to the NCAA, and was FIRED FROM TENNESSEE for those actions.

I'm not sure how much clearer I can demonstrate the vast difference in the two cases.
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I think your point is mostly correct, but focus is in the wrong spot. My argument is that Petrino created a lot of hurt feelings when he bolted for NFL and UL managed to put this behind them and do what they felt was best for their program and take a BIG RISK in rehiring him, so why can't UT do the same? I would say Petrino's baggage, no matter where it occurred, makes him at least, if not more, of a risky hire than Pearl would be at UT.
 
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#137
#137
I really don't want to get on the 'kick Coach Martin' wagon BUT after backing him from day 1, I now think he has recruited very well, kept players under the radar (for the most part) away from the game and done well in many other directions. However, any tough basketball man can do all this but there are only a few who can take good players and WIN. That is the area where Coach Martin is failing. Tonight the second half was just too AWFUL, TOO HORRIBLE TO EVEN WATCH. We played poorly in the 1st half but we were ahead because the other team played worse than us. It seemed the coach didn't realize this and made no halftime adjustments and as a result we got our butts kicked in the 2nd half because A&M did make changes.
 
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#138
#138
bnhunt said:
I think your point is mostly correct, but focus is in the wrong spot. My argument is that Petrino created a lot of hurt feelings when he bolted for NFL and UL managed to put this behind them and do what they felt was best for their program and take a BIG RISK in rehiring him, so why can't UT do the same? I would say Petrino's baggage, no matter where it occurred, makes him at least, if not more, of a risky hire than Pearl would be at UT.
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I couldn't disagree more.

Any risk UL took in rehiring Petrino was related to their public image because of the national attention his affair/motorcycle accident received. There are no NCAA ramifications to consider in rehiring Petrino. The hurt feelings are repairable, and are really inconsequential this many years later. It's not like Petrino underhanded UL by leaving for Atlanta (unlike he underhanded Atlanta by leaving for Arkansas without notice).

Tennessee rehiring Bruce Pearl comes with obvious risks to UT's public image. It also comes with NCAA risks if Pearl slips up again, even something as minor as hosting junior recruits at your house for a barbecue.

To suggest that UL took a bigger risk in rehiring Petrino than Tennessee would in rehiring Pearl is just patently wrong. UT would stand to lose much more if it blew up in their face than UL would.

UL rehiring Petrino is akin to Butler U. rehiring Brad Stevens if he leaves the Celtics for a job at Ohio State and has an affair with a female staffer.

UT rehiring Pearl is akin to Ohio State rehiring Jim Tressel if Urban Meyer flops.

See the difference?
 
#139
#139
SGMVols said:
Will. Never. Happen.
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Said Tom Jurich when asked if he would ever hire Bobby Peteino again...
It's the best thing for our program, just do it and bite the bullet on the initial 3 days of backlash and everyone will forget when the seats are full and we are climbing the ranks.
 
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#140
#140
AlumniChase said:
Said Tom Jurich when asked if he would ever hire Bobby Peteino again...
It's the best thing for our program, just do it and bite the bullet on the initial 3 days of backlash and everyone will forget when the seats are full and we are climbing the ranks.
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It would be much more than 3 days.

I was a UT student during most of the Pearl era, and the seats were definitely not full every night, or even most nights.
 
#141
#141
Pearl is not returning and TN will never hire an established, successful D1 coach. Ain't happining. Tennessee is an incredibly loyal fan base. Sure, after 3-4 years of uninspiring play, attendance falls off and interest and money wanes. AD brings in new coach, fans get excited, consequently ticket sales/revenue rises. Wash, rinse, repeat.
 
#142
#142
Anyone think the possibilities of a hiring a good coach is weakened by the fact that the SEC is average to poor as a conference in basketball? I think the value of a job like Tennessee is less because we are experiencing one of the weaker runs in the SEC. All the money and scheduling issues aside I think we'll struggle til football gets fully "healthy" money wise.
 
#143
#143
bnhunt said:
I am so incredibly pissed right now with what I just witnessed that I have to take my mind off it, so what are our HC options at end of year. CCM is just not an NCAA tourney coach and his record bears that out. Here's who I would look at (assuming CBP not an option):

1. Smart - make him your first call and make him tell you no. VCU can't be his dream job.
2. Howland - I know he's more of a defensive guy, but you can't argue with his track record.
3. Frank - I know his NBA record is mediocre at best, but I think recruits would respond to someone with his NBA background.

Who else?
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He won't be fired this season. We are still paying Dooley. Just let him finish this season and we will go to the N.I.T. NExt season, the roster changes will depleat the team (Maymon, McRae, Stokes ) and we will lose more games. Then he will be fired....

Expect his firing after next season, around March 2015... by then Pearl will already be at a new job and our roster will be depleated.
 
#144
#144
cncchris33 said:
I couldn't disagree more.

Any risk UL took in rehiring Petrino was related to their public image because of the national attention his affair/motorcycle accident received. There are no NCAA ramifications to consider in rehiring Petrino. The hurt feelings are repairable, and are really inconsequential this many years later. It's not like Petrino underhanded UL by leaving for Atlanta (unlike he underhanded Atlanta by leaving for Arkansas without notice).

Tennessee rehiring Bruce Pearl comes with obvious risks to UT's public image. It also comes with NCAA risks if Pearl slips up again, even something as minor as hosting junior recruits at your house for a barbecue.

To suggest that UL took a bigger risk in rehiring Petrino than Tennessee would in rehiring Pearl is just patently wrong. UT would stand to lose much more if it blew up in their face than UL would.

UL rehiring Petrino is akin to Butler U. rehiring Brad Stevens if he leaves the Celtics for a job at Ohio State and has an affair with a female staffer.

UT rehiring Pearl is akin to Ohio State rehiring Jim Tressel if Urban Meyer flops.

See the difference?
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I could care less what it is akin to. RE-HIRE PEARL.
 
#147
#147
There has to be someone out there that can do the job. Whether it be a mid major coach, or an established coach get someone...once we have an opening.
 
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#148
#148
bnhunt said:
What is VCU paying Smart? Surely, we can at least double it without blinking. He cannot like VCU that much.
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Money isn't the only thing that matters. Smart has had several chances to leave VCU but appears to be very content there.
 
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