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#151
While at UL, Petrino went behind their back and interviewed for the Auburn job (which wasn't even open). Then after he signed a 10yr extension, interviewed for a couple of other jobs behind their backs, then left for the Falcons. There is a reason that he has a 10 MILLION dollar buyout if he leaves again. BUT, they still rehired him...sure Pearl was Fired, but I honestly don't think Hamilton wanted to fire him, but was forced to by the NCAA. Once the show cause is over, he is a free man to hire and no penalties can be accessed. Whether or not we will is a different story, but the way Petrino treated UL the first time is way worse than what happened with Pearl at UT...
 
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#152
#152
BigOrangeCrush32 said:
While at UL, Petrino went behind their back and interviewed for the Auburn job (which wasn't even open). Then after he signed a 10yr extension, interviewed for a couple of other jobs behind their backs, then left for the Falcons. There is a reason that he has a 10 MILLION dollar buyout if he leaves again. BUT, they still rehired him...sure Pearl was Fired, but I honestly don't think Hamilton wanted to fire him, but was forced to by the NCAA. Once the show cause is over, he is a free man to hire and no penalties can be accessed. Whether or not we will is a different story, but the way Petrino treated UL the first time is way worse than what happened with Pearl at UT...
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Petrino had no history with NCAA so there is a difference. HOWEVER, Clint Hurtt does and they have kept him on, so you are correct about hiring Pearl in that regard.

Louisville is hardly the standard for integrity, though.

I think the obstacle about Pearl coming back is more about hard feelings (especially on his end), not fear of NCAA or other issues.
 
#153
#153
Clay Travis (@ClayTravisBGID)
1/11/14, 10:57 PM
Vols lost at home to Texas A&M tonight. If Louisville can bring back Petrino, UT can bring back Pearl. No excuse not to do so.
 
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#155
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cncchris33 said:
I couldn't disagree more.

Any risk UL took in rehiring Petrino was related to their public image because of the national attention his affair/motorcycle accident received. There are no NCAA ramifications to consider in rehiring Petrino. The hurt feelings are repairable, and are really inconsequential this many years later. It's not like Petrino underhanded UL by leaving for Atlanta (unlike he underhanded Atlanta by leaving for Arkansas without notice).

Tennessee rehiring Bruce Pearl comes with obvious risks to UT's public image. It also comes with NCAA risks if Pearl slips up again, even something as minor as hosting junior recruits at your house for a barbecue.

To suggest that UL took a bigger risk in rehiring Petrino than Tennessee would in rehiring Pearl is just patently wrong. UT would stand to lose much more if it blew up in their face than UL would.

UL rehiring Petrino is akin to Butler U. rehiring Brad Stevens if he leaves the Celtics for a job at Ohio State and has an affair with a female staffer.

UT rehiring Pearl is akin to Ohio State rehiring Jim Tressel if Urban Meyer flops.

See the difference?
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Again, my comparison had nothing to do with each coach's issues with the NCAA while at their respective schools. My comparison was related to the fact that if the UL admin and fan base can put aside their hurt feelings with Petrino bolting for another job and lying about interviewing for AUB job, then surely UT can do the same when it comes to Pearl. Plus, I don't believe there will be any NCAA issues with hiring Pearl once his show cause expires.
 
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#156
#156
I don't see UT spending money upfront for a basketball coach. Better odds are we'll hire an expensive search firm to find a budget coach, who we will make rich when we fire said budget coach three years into a four year contract. We might catch "Pearl-like" lightning in a bottle again, but my scenario is much more realistic.
 
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#157
#157
Pearl knows this is his last chance of ever coaching again and somebody is going to hire him. He served his suspension and somebody is getting ready to get a good coach. Should of just kept him and accepted the 3 yr post season ban and probation.Having Martin is just like being on probation and post season ban. I'm not saying Pearl will ever be back but I would rather have Pearl on the sideline coaching Tn than Martin trying to beat Pearl. Pearl moves on and Tn still puts itself on probation and post season ban by keeping Martin.
 
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tnvols72 said:
Pearl knows this is his last chance of ever coaching again and somebody is going to hire him. He served his suspension and somebody is getting ready to get a good coach. Should of just kept him and accepted the 3 yr post season ban and probation.Having Martin is just like being on probation and post season ban. I'm not saying Pearl will ever be back but I would rather have Pearl on the sideline coaching Tn than Martin trying to beat Pearl. Pearl moves on and Tn still puts itself on probation and post season ban by keeping Martin.
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What's sad is that what you're saying is basically true. I would have rather just sat out the postseason the last 3 years than lost in the NIT to some no-name team at home in front of a half-empty gym. Pearl coaching against Martin would be like taking candy from a baby.
 
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#159
#159
My entertainment dollars will return to TBA when Pearl returns, or another coach puts a quality, winning product on the court.
 
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#160
I guess you BBB guys have not only ignored Hart won't bring him back, but have ignored those saying Bruce wouldn't even come back if offered.

That would be hysterical, to watch him get offered and turn Tennessee down, this board would cease to exist.
 
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bnhunt said:
Again, my comparison had nothing to do with each coach's issues with the NCAA while at their respective schools. My comparison was related to the fact that if the UL admin and fan base can put aside their hurt feelings with Petrino bolting for another job and lying about interviewing for AUB job, then surely UT can do the same when it comes to Pearl. Plus, I don't believe there will be any NCAA issues with hiring Pearl once his show cause expires.
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You don't seem to be able to see the forest for the trees in this discussion.

I'm going to say this as clearly as I can...
There is nothing preventing UT from hiring Pearl come August of 2014.

With that said, you can't just ignore the NCAA history between Pearl and UT. It's a little more complicated than just some hurt feelings. It's a major issue and one that can't be ignored because there will be major repercussions for both UT and Pearl if he slips up again.

Knowing that, you can't just say "Well if UL can rehire Petrino, then UT can rehire Pearl". Again, no ruke or regulation is stopping it from happen after 8/2014, but using the UL/Petrino situation as justification for doing so is ignorant. The two are almost entirely dissimilar.
 
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tnvols72 said:
Pearl knows this is his last chance of ever coaching again and somebody is going to hire him. He served his suspension and somebody is getting ready to get a good coach. Should of just kept him and accepted the 3 yr post season ban and probation.Having Martin is just like being on probation and post season ban. I'm not saying Pearl will ever be back but I would rather have Pearl on the sideline coaching Tn than Martin trying to beat Pearl. Pearl moves on and Tn still puts itself on probation and post season ban by keeping Martin.
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Totally agree with this. As long as Martin is our coach, we are on post season ban anyway. If he can't get the Vols to the big dance this year, then he never will.
 
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cncchris33 said:
You don't seem to be able to see the forest for the trees in this discussion.

I'm going to say this as clearly as I can...
There is nothing preventing UT from hiring Pearl come August of 2014.

With that said, you can't just ignore the NCAA history between Pearl and UT. It's a little more complicated than just some hurt feelings. It's a major issue and one that can't be ignored because there will be major repercussions for both UT and Pearl if he slips up again.

Knowing that, you can't just say "Well if UL can rehire Petrino, then UT can rehire Pearl". Again, no ruke or regulation is stopping it from happen after 8/2014, but using the UL/Petrino situation as justification for doing so is ignorant. The two are almost entirely dissimilar.
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This is completely inaccurate. If Pearl were to slip up again, the NCAA could only punish him according to the severity of the infraction, just like any other coach. The idea that they could give him a more severe punishment than someone else who made the same infraction would be illegal, and is not even worthy of anymore discussion.
 
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Volinmem said:
This is completely inaccurate. If Pearl were to slip up again, the NCAA could only punish him according to the severity of the infraction, just like any other coach. The idea that they could give him a more severe punishment than someone else who made the same infraction would be illegal, and is not even worthy of anymore discussion.
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Yeah, and multiple offense DUIs or anything like that aren't more severe. Give me a break. If UT hires Pearl again they'll have every right to punish more severely.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Yeah, and multiple offense DUIs or anything like that aren't more severe. Give me a break. If UT hires Pearl again they'll have every right to punish more severely.
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The only way they could punish him more severely is if he were to mess up while on probation. He will not be on probation when the show cause ends, so your opinion is incorrect. His punishment will have been served in full.
 
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#169
#169
The question is will our AD really make a change if we fail to get to the NCAA Tourney this season? I can live with another bad team if there is hope for a better coaching staff on the horizon.
 
#170
#170
I can see the fightingConzos now , he gets Tenn to the tourney and gets bounced in the 1st round and they will be telling everybody how good Martin is.
 
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Volinmem said:
This is completely inaccurate. If Pearl were to slip up again, the NCAA could only punish him according to the severity of the infraction, just like any other coach. The idea that they could give him a more severe punishment than someone else who made the same infraction would be illegal, and is not even worthy of anymore discussion.
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You are a fool if you believe any of what you just wrote.

The idea that Pearl (and Tennessee as a basketball program if they rehire him) would be treated as if their previous relationship had never existed is the very definition of naive.
 
#172
#172
Volfan2012 said:
The question is will our AD really make a change if we fail to get to the NCAA Tourney this season? I can live with another bad team if there is hope for a better coaching staff on the horizon.
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I really doubt they'll move on him this year if he fails to make it again. He'll win enough games to warrant a chance next year with a team of players he is solely responsible for IMO.

Not that I agree with that decision, but I think that is how the AD will justify it while they eat another year of mediocre play to save on his buyout reductiin in 2015.
 
#173
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bnhunt said:
Call me naive, but I think Pearl will get another shot and I don't think the NCAA cares where it is and will give them same level of scrutiny to whatever program hires him. My god, if Calipari is still coaching, then anyone has a chance.
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True this...
 
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cncchris33 said:
You are a fool if you believe any of what you just wrote.

The idea that Pearl (and Tennessee as a basketball program if they rehire him) would be treated as if their previous relationship had never existed is the very definition of naive.
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Maybe you should read into the rules and regulations of a show cause before you call someone else a fool. The only additional punishment is if there are violations during the show cause. This fall under the "zero tolerance" rule. There is no additional penalties permitted once the show cause is over, to think that it's possible just let's me know that you think you know more than you actually do. I'm not trying to slam you or call you names, just trying to point out the parameters of a show cause.
 
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tnvols72 said:
I can see the fightingConzos now , he gets Tenn to the tourney and gets bounced in the 1st round and they will be telling everybody how good Martin is.
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this is my fear. they squeak in the tourney, do nothing, give CCM an extension and we are stuck with incompetence for 3 more years with less talent.
 
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