Calm down guys

[KBVol]

Sour grapes got the best of me. For the record, please defend the Vols from insults with the same passion you do for about any other team that slighted. It's good for you.

Go Vols!

When they deserve it I will, primarily from rival fans who come on here talking smack. Did it several times this year with posters from App State, Florida, Georgia, SCar (lotta good that did me) and Vandy (lotta good that did me). I get my hackles up when fans from other schools come on VN taking smack. Jimmies also get rustled by Vol fans who aren't in touch with reality with where our program is. Finally, I appreciate guys/coaches/programs who perform at a high level.....even guys I don't like and hope lose every game they play.

 

[Iam4utalways]

When they deserve it I will, primarily from rival fans who come on here talking smack. Did it several times this year with posters from App State, Florida, Georgia, SCar (lotta good that did me) and Vandy (lotta good that did me). I get my hackles up when fans from other schools come on VN taking smack. Jimmies also get rustled by Vol fans who aren't in touch with reality with where our program is. Finally, I appreciate guys/coaches/programs who perform at a high level.....even guys I don't like and hope lose every game they play.

They do deserve it. Even after an embarrassing loss to a lowly team like Vandy our guy deserve to be treated like the Royalty they are. King of the Hill! You are going about this all wrong. You don't think they deserve to be given the fan treatment. They do. All I can say is they do.

Beat Nebraska!

Take their lunch money!

 

[volfannbama]

They do deserve it. Even after an embarrassing loss to a lowly team like Vandy our guy deserve to be treated like the Royalty they are. King of the Hill! You are going about this all wrong. You don't think they deserve to be given the fan treatment. They do. All I can say is they do.

Beat Nebraska!

Take their lunch money!

Treating college kids like royalty might be part of the problem.

 

[KBVol]

They do deserve it. Even after an embarrassing loss to a lowly team like Vandy our guy deserve to be treated like the Royalty they are. King of the Hill! You are going about this all wrong. You don't think they deserve to be given the fan treatment. They do. All I can say is they do.

Beat Nebraska!

Take their lunch money!

To be clear, my "beef" with team 120 isn't with the players, it's with Butch Jones, Bob Shoop and the rest of the staff who simply did a poor job leading, coaching and putting the players in the best position to win. The boys surely share some culpability for not playing with the proper focus and intensity a good bit of the season....but even that ultimately comes back around to Jones and staff.

 

[Titan05]

Treating college kids like royalty might be part of the problem.

Fricking this! Ridiculous.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Treating college kids like royalty might be part of the problem.

Ya think.

 

[Iam4utalways]

To be clear, my "beef" with team 120 isn't with the players, it's with Butch Jones, Bob Shoop and the rest of the staff who simply did a poor job leading, coaching and putting the players in the best position to win. The boys surely share some culpability for not playing with the proper focus and intensity a good bit of the season....but even that ultimately comes back around to Jones and staff.

There is plenty of blame to spread all around.

Get it together Vol!

 

[volfannbama]

Ya think.

Well I must be confused since you are the one that said they deserve to be treated like royalty?

And your slogan is still corn biscuit.

 

[johnrlansford]

he won the pac 12 and went to rose bowls at Stanford and went to the super bowl with SF.

while i'm not here to sing the praises of all things michigan, because i think their schedule has as much to do with their success as anything, he had them to the point this year that had they won the OSU game, they'd be in the playoff. that's the definition of contending. and it's not like they got their doors blown off against OSU. beating Wiscy and PSU are quality wins, esp this year.

and it's not irrational to say that Harbaugh has done more with Michigan in two years, than what Jones has done at TN in 4. and i doubt very seriously you'd find anyone outside big orange country that would say differently.

perception being what it is, Harbaugh has that all day on Jones. not saying i like it. but inherently, Harbaugh brings a lot more to the table, resume wise, than Jones, and he has Michigan nationally relevant, right now.

jones is .500 against Vandy, 0 fer against Muschamp, 1-3 against FL, 0 fer against Bama, and 2-2 against GA.

Jones had opportunities this year and last to put himself in these kinds of conversations, and has failed each time the opportunity presented, save 2. hell, forget Harbaugh, look what Franklin has done for PSU in 2 years. conf title and rose bowl in year 2.

this incessant need to defend all things butch jones at the expense of any objective view point is just sad.

It is all about "if this had happen then this would have happen" The facts are they didn't beat OSU or win the Big 10 or make the playoff...He hasn't done anything more than Jones except for have a better record and that has really not been that big of a deal considering the competition difference.

I am not debating if Harbaugh will be a better coach than Butch, I am sayign that nothing that Harbaugh has done to date at michigan is worthy of saying he was a slam dunk hire.

 

[volfannbama]

It is all about "if this had happen then this would have happen" The facts are they didn't beat OSU or win the Big 10 or make the playoff...He hasn't done anything more than Jones except for have a better record and that has really not been that big of a deal considering the competition difference.

I am not debating if Harbaugh will be a better coach than Butch, I am sayign that nothing that Harbaugh has done to date at michigan is worthy of saying he was a slam dunk hire.

Reached a new years six bowl in two years?
Jones hasn't reached one in four

Team overwhelming looks like a well coached fundamentally sound football team.
Tennessee has looked like the exact opposite.

 

[johnrlansford]

You're surely trolling right now. So if a team wildly improves and does a 180 in short order and it's clearly because of a change in leadership/head coach and staff, but that same team doesn't win a title, then it was all for naught and nothing was accomplished? Nothing was gained? Okay, then 99% of all head coach hires are busts, are no good. Only Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Gene Chizik, Jimbo Fisher and Les Miles were homerun hires the last decade, no? Nobody else did squat.

Just for giggles, let's compare the first 2 seasons of Jones and Harbaugh. You're not gonna get it/agree but I'll put it out here anyway.

Jones took over a bad program and improved the record in 2 seasons from 10-14 to 12-13....yippeee, he really crushed it....had historically bad losses by 45, 35 and 32 points in year one....lost to Vandy, struggled to beat South Alabama and Kentucky, completely irrelevant. Laughingstock across the board, not expected to win anything, couldn't sniff a top 25 ranking pre or post season.

Harbaugh took over a bad program and improved the record in his first 2 seasons from 12-13 the last 2 Brady Hoke years to 20-5 his first two seasons. Relevant both years, finished 10-3 and #12 in year one, standing at 10-2 #6 right now, including narrowing missing the Final 4 playoff this year at #6 in the country, 2 spots away.

Wonder how many Michigan fans think Harbaugh was a "homerun hire"?? 90 or 95% of them? Wonder how many Vol fans believe Jones is a "homerun hire"? 9.0 or 9.5% of them.

By todays standards, not many coaches are slam dunk hires. Harbaugh still hasn't beat his biggest rival or won his division.

Those same fans will not think he is a home run if in year 4 if he still hasn't beat OSU, won the division, or won the Big 10.

The Point is fans won't be happy if he has hit his ceiling, he hasn't done anything out side of the improved record that any of the previos coaches couldn't have done.

I am not talking abotu Butch Jones at all here quit changing the subjet. I am simply evaluating Harbaugh.

Let me state, Harbaugh may end up being a Home run hire at Michigan, he just isn't yet!!!

 

[johnrlansford]

Reached a new years six bowl in two years?
Jones hasn't reached one in four

Team overwhelming looks like a well coached fundamentally sound football team.
Tennessee has looked like the exact opposite.

I never compared him to jones!!!

 

[volfannbama]

By todays standards, not many coaches are slam dunk hires. Harbaugh still hasn't beat his biggest rival or won his division.

Those same fans will not think he is a home run if in year 4 if he still hasn't beat OSU, won the division, or won the Big 10.

The Point is fans won't be happy if he has hit his ceiling, he hasn't done anything out side of the improved record that any of the previos coaches couldn't have done.

Let me state, Harbaugh may end up being a Home run hire at Michigan, he just isn't yet!!!

I think there is a simple solution to this argument, since I like to keep things simple.
You get to choose between two coaches to be the next vols coach, Harbaugh or Jones. Which one are you taking?





....and be honest, its not even close, not even a little.

 

[johnrlansford]

I think there is a simple solution to this argument, since I like to keep things simple.
You get to choose between two coaches to be the next vols coach, Harbaugh or Jones. Which one are you taking?





....and be honest, its not even close, not even a little.

The answer is Harbaugh, But that isn't what I am arguing. Harbaugh seems to have Michigan going in the right direction, but he hasn't accomplished anythign yet is all i am saying. He hasn't beat his rival OSU, he hasn't Won his division, he hasn't won the Big Ten, He hasn't made the playoff....and he may never do it is all that I am saying. Until he wins something of relevance he isn't a slam dunk Hire (Yet)!!!

Harbaugh is winning simply off his name and reputation, Can another coach surpass him, Sure an up and coming coach can prove to be better and slow the Harbaugh Hype train. But Harbaugh will never see Saban or Meyer like results in his career at Michigan. JMO.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Well I must be confused since you are the one that said they deserve to be treated like royalty?

And your slogan is still corn biscuit.

Sorry it was not an original thought. It's been going on for a while all over the place. It may be too late to shut it down now.

"Corn biscuit" that sounds funny.

I think I will start calling the braskers corn biscuits.

Go Vols!

Beat the corn biscuits and take their lunch money.

 

[johnrlansford]

Harbaugh has come close everywhere he's been but never gotten over the hump. He may prove to be a good coach for Michigan but that is still to be seen.

 

[jakez4ut]

Harbaugh has come close everywhere he's been but never gotten over the hump.

Super bowl and rose bowl...that he didn't win national or world titles, doesn't mean he didn't accomplish anything, or necessarily come up short.

But don't act like that's the same resume as butch's big east title or Mac title.

And stating that Michigan was a contender for the big 10 and playoff, is not saying they won anything. Rather, it means they were in a position to do so, which is not false .... Michigan/osu winner was going to get in.

 

[KBVol]

Harbaugh has come close everywhere he's been but never gotten over the hump. He may prove to be a good coach for Michigan but that is still to be seen.

A "good coach"?? Lol. He turned a bad Stanford program completely around and into a relevant national program, took an NFL team to the SuperBowl and has taken a broken program at Michigan who fired its last coach to a 20-5 two year record and one play away from the final 4 playoff.....I think he's already likely a "good coach".

 

[dougvolfan]

Harbaugh's last season at Stanford was 12-1. They are 66-15 since then. He got the ball rolling for a program that had won 10 games 3 times prieviously in their history

 

[johnrlansford]

Super bowl and rose bowl...that he didn't win national or world titles, doesn't mean he didn't accomplish anything, or necessarily come up short.

But don't act like that's the same resume as butch's big east title or Mac title.

And stating that Michigan was a contender for the big 10 and playoff, is not saying they won anything. Rather, it means they were in a position to do so, which is not false .... Michigan/osu winner was going to get in.

I never compared him to butch. But coming close isnt actualy winning anything. He hasnt won anything with Michigan yet. He may never beat OSU and may never win the Big 10 and still have a great season record every year. That doesnt make him a great coach.

If he hasnt beat OSU or won tbe Big 10 by year 4 he wont be considered a great coach, in the eyes of michigan fans. They will be more pissed than our fanbase is now.

All i am saying is if he has peaked right now, Michigan wont be happy in year 4.( if he is 0-4 against OSU, still hasn't won his division,or won the conference then they are no better off then if they had hired Butch Jones. JMO

 

[jakez4ut]

Well i tell you what... Harbaugh has won conf titles in power 5 and the NFL. And before you can win anything more, you at least have to make the appearance ....

Put it another way... You think anyone would trade harbaugh for jones?

Or, rather, vice versa?

Point being you're running something up the flag pole that just doesn't fly.👍

 

[johnrlansford]

Well i tell you what... Harbaugh has won conf titles in power 5 and the NFL. And before you can win anything more, you at least have to make the appearance ....

Put it another way... You think anyone would trade harbaugh for jones?

Or, rather, vice versa?

Point being you're running something up the flag pole that just doesn't fly.👍

I am talking about Harbaugh at Michigan being a homerun hire. Not what he did at Stanford or the Nfl and i am not comparing him to Butch Jones in any way!!!

If Harbaugh never beats OSU, wins his division, or wins the Big10 Then he isnt a homerun hire even if he wins 10-11 games a year, ask Mark Richt about that. My point is he hasnt won anything outside of improving his regular season record at Michigan. Michigan may never win anything big with Harbaugh.

Michigan fans wont be happy after 4 years if all he has done is improve the regular season record.

That being said he may do great at Michigan, but he hasnt done anything there yet. He will never see Meyer or Saban results at Michigan. Meyer and Saban are the measuring stick and that is what Michigan fans are expecting from Harbaugh. Its just not going to happen, JMO.

 

[wouldbenicetowin]

Northwestern wasn't a scrub, they were a 10 win team and ranked in the top 15. Outmatched? Yes. But not a pushover. Iowa on ther other hand, they were indeed pretty bad. But considering we were 6-6 in 2014 the matchup made sense.

Seriously bro, NW sucked and had no businesses being in ranked in the top 30. But you know who built a personal fortune off of these small/hallow victories.

 

[1SmokinVol]

UMMM- Butch had all summer to prepare to beat the **** out of Appalachain State- took luck in overtime to do-
This current edition of Football Vols are badly coached, also lacking top notch S & C. That's all I got to say-

 

[jakez4ut]

I am talking about Harbaugh at Michigan being a homerun hire. Not what he did at Stanford or the Nfl and i am not comparing him to Butch Jones in any way!!!

If Harbaugh never beats OSU, wins his division, or wins the Big10 Then he isnt a homerun hire even if he wins 10-11 games a year, ask Mark Richt about that. My point is he hasnt won anything outside of improving his regular season record at Michigan. Michigan may never win anything big with Harbaugh.

Michigan fans wont be happy after 4 years if all he has done is improve the regular season record.

That being said he may do great at Michigan, but he hasnt done anything there yet. He will never see Meyer or Saban results at Michigan. Meyer and Saban are the measuring stick and that is what Michigan fans are expecting from Harbaugh. Its just not going to happen, JMO.

As is the case everywhere that doesn't have Saban or Meyer, it's foolish to expect those kinds of results.

And everything you're talking about is what ifs in the future.

Looking at his whole resume paints a much clearer picture of what one might expect vs your contention, that excludes anything he's done, save the last 2 years.

And in year 2, he played a play in game against OSU for this years playoff 4th spot.

I think by year 4 Michigan fans will probably be ok with CJH.