Calm down guys

[jakez4ut]

Seriously bro, NW sucked and had no businesses being in ranked in the top 30. But you know who built a personal fortune off of these small/hallow victories.

Meh...

 

[KBVol]

I am talking about Harbaugh at Michigan being a homerun hire. Not what he did at Stanford or the Nfl and i am not comparing him to Butch Jones in any way!!!

If Harbaugh never beats OSU, wins his division, or wins the Big10 Then he isnt a homerun hire even if he wins 10-11 games a year, ask Mark Richt about that. My point is he hasnt won anything outside of improving his regular season record at Michigan. Michigan may never win anything big with Harbaugh.

Michigan fans wont be happy after 4 years if all he has done is improve the regular season record.

That being said he may do great at Michigan, but he hasnt done anything there yet. He will never see Meyer or Saban results at Michigan. Meyer and Saban are the measuring stick and that is what Michigan fans are expecting from Harbaugh. Its just not going to happen, JMO.

"Homerun hire" at Michigan? Hell, just a few posts earlier you said he's not even a good coach there yet, only has the chance to be going forward....but only if he wins titles there. Lol. Come on John, get your story straight.

 

[johnrlansford]

"Homerun hire" at Michigan? Hell, just a few posts earlier you said he's not even a good coach there yet, only has the chance to be going forward....but only if he wins titles there. Lol. Come on John, get your story straight.

No, i said he wasnt a great coach yet, you should get your facts straight. And like i said If he is in the same spot in year 4 Michigan fans wont be happy...hes not proven anything at Michigan yet!!!

He wont win championships at Michigan, and yes that is how coaches are measured...championships!!!

My story is straight, i cant help your point doesnt make sense. Harbaugh hasnt won or proven anything at Michigan yet, to say differently is just wrong!!!

 

[Stoerner's Fumble]

Calmer than you are.

 

[jbr82]

So....who is going to order their MCB championship shirt and hat tonight?

 

[KBVol]

No, i said he wasnt a great coach yet, you should get your facts straight. And like i said If he is in the same spot in year 4 Michigan fans wont be happy...hes not proven anything at Michigan yet!!!

He wont win championships at Michigan, and yes that is how coaches are measured...championships!!!

My story is straight, i cant help your point doesnt make sense. Harbaugh hasnt won or proven anything at Michigan yet, to say differently is just wrong!!!

John, you're all over the map, and your points make little sense. And you did say he's not yet proven to be a "good coach"......Here's your post.....


johnrlansford (898)
02:46 PM 12-22-2016 ( Report! )
Harbaugh has come close everywhere he's been but never gotten over the hump. He may prove to be a good coach for Michigan but that is still to be seen.
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I see the words "good coach"....don't see "great" anywhere.

And for the last time, I strongly disagree. He has indeed proven something at Michigan despite not winning a championship.....despite being there for all of less than 24 months or so.......He's proven he can take a broken program with a sub .500 record over the 2 previous seasons, and win at a very high level in very short order. Not winning a national title or a Big 10 title in a conference that includes Urban Meyer, in 2 years, isn't career defining for Harbaugh as a failed coach....especially given his full resume.

 

[johnrlansford]

John, you're all over the map, and your points make little sense. And you did say he's not yet proven to be a "good coach"......Here's your post.....


johnrlansford (898)
02:46 PM 12-22-2016 ( Report! )
Harbaugh has come close everywhere he's been but never gotten over the hump. He may prove to be a good coach for Michigan but that is still to be seen.
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I see the words "good coach"....don't see "great" anywhere.

And for the last time, I strongly disagree. He has indeed proven something at Michigan despite not winning a championship.....despite being there for all of less than 24 months or so.......He's proven he can take a broken program with a sub .500 record over the 2 previous seasons, and win at a very high level in very short order. Not winning a national title or a Big 10 title in a conference that includes Urban Meyer, in 2 years, isn't career defining for Harbaugh as a failed coach....especially given his full resume.

I never said he was a failed coach. I've seen his resume, hes never won a conference championship less yet a National Championship in college. Harbaugh has never won his conference in college not at Stanford or Michigan (butch has won 4 conference titles outright and shared), . Harbaugh was 12-1 in 2010 but lost to Pac 10 champs Oregon.

So let me get this straight Harbaugh hasnt beat his rival and failed to win his division in the Big10, how is he a good coach and Butch Jones is a horrible one? Atleast Butch beat Florida and was 9-4. Harbaugh was only 10-3 without a signifigant win over his biggest rival OSU. But i guess 1 game make Harbaugh good and Butch horrible right? You have no point in this arguement, not one that is held by any valid source of logic.

I am not making a claim that Butch is better or even as good as Harbaugh (that is another conversation) what i am saying is you cant have it both ways, if Harbaugh is good then so is Butch. Either way neither of them have proven anything at there respective schools, atleast nothing that seperates them from any good coach in the game today. Harbaugh is riding the media hype train right now that is all, i persobally think he has hit his plateau, Urban is better, heck I think Franklin is better. I dont see him reaching much more success at Michigan, he may win his division one day but i doubt it. If he does I'll gladly say I am wrong but that is for another day.😆 either way Harbaugh has proven nothing outside of he can produce a respectable regular season record.

 

[NashVol11]

So let me get this straight Harbaugh hasnt beat his rival and failed to win his division in the Big10, how is he a good coach and Butch Jones is a horrible one? Atleast Butch beat Florida and was 9-4. Harbaugh was only 10-3 without a signifigant win over his biggest rival OSU. But i guess 1 game make Harbaugh good and Butch horrible right? You have no point in this arguement, not one that is held by any valid source of logic.

Lmao what? "At least" Butch was 9-4, compared to Harbaugh, who was "only" better?

I am not making a claim that Butch is better or even as good as Harbaugh (that is another conversation) what i am saying is you cant have it both ways, if Harbaugh is good then so is Butch.

Harbaugh has been to a Super Bowl and two Orange Bowls. Butch has been to the GMAC Bowl and the Outback Bowl. No matter how hard you work they're not going to be equal

 

[johnrlansford]

Lmao what? "At least" Butch was 9-4, compared to Harbaugh, who was "only" better?



Harbaugh has been to a Super Bowl and two Orange Bowls. Butch has been to the GMAC Bowl and the Outback Bowl. No matter how hard you work they're not going to be equal

I said "atleast Butch beat Florida and was 9-4, Harbaugh is only one game better. You cant claim Butch is bad and Harbaugh is good over 1 game, give me a break.

Harbaugh has a 2-2 bowl record and lost the super bowl. You just proved My whole point. He hasnt done anything but come close hes not a closer. He gets close but doesnt finish that is why i say he hasnt proven anything at Michigan. Thanks again for the help.😆

 

[NashVol11]

I said "atleast Butch beat Florida and was 9-4, Harbaugh is only one game better. You cant claim Butch is bad and Harbaugh is good over 1 game, give me a break.

Harbaugh has a 2-2 bowl record and lost the super bowl. You just proved My whole point. He hasnt done anything but come close hes not a closer. He gets close but doesnt finish that is why i say he hasnt proven anything at Michigan. Thanks again for the help.😆

Why are you including bowl games if you're impartial? MCB and Orange Bowl are two totally different things. In the regular season, it's 8-4 unranked compared to 10-2 Top 10.

Harbaugh won the Orange Bowl and the NFC. What's the biggest thing Butch has won? And why are you acting like everyone who "doesn't finish" is the same?

Next up from John: Harbaugh hasn't won a national title, so therefore he's about the same as Dooley.

 

[johnrlansford]

Why are you including bowl games if you're impartial? MCB and Orange Bowl are two totally different things. In the regular season, it's 8-4 unranked compared to 10-2 Top 10.

Harbaugh won the Orange Bowl and the NFC. What's the biggest thing Butch has won? And why are you acting like everyone who "doesn't finish" is the same?

Next up from John: Harbaugh hasn't won a national title, so therefore he's about the same as Dooley.

Finishers win and are good coaches. The Big10 didnt do so great in the bowl games did they? Finished 3-7 overall. So winning 10 games in that conference, he wouldnt do that in the SEC now would he. The Big10 is a 2 team conference.

Wow an Orange bowl win makes him a good coach? What logic?

And yes your final record is all that matters, it's all about how you finish! Harbaugh will probably never win a championship in the Big10 less yet an National Championship. He still hasnt proven anything at Michigan except he can be the 2-3 best team coach in an overated conference. Something to brag about right?

Butch has the 3rd best record in the SEC over the past 2 years, and the SEC is a lot tougher to win in than the Big10.

I am not claiming Butch is as good or better than Harbaugh, i am saying that Harbaugh hasnt won anything of significance at Michigan yet, if ever.

 

[NashVol11]

Finishers win and are good coaches. The Big10 didnt do so great in the bowl games did they? Finished 3-7 overall. So winning 10 games in that conference, he wouldnt do that in the SEC now would he. The Big10 is a 2 team conference.

Wow an Orange bowl win makes him a good coach? What logic?

And yes your final record is all that matters, it's all about how you finish! Harbaugh will probably never win a championship in the Big10 less yet an National Championship. He still hasnt proven anything at Michigan except he can be the 2-3 best team coach in an overated conference. Something to brag about right?

Butch has the 3rd best record in the SEC over the past 2 years, and the SEC is a lot tougher to win in than the Big10.

I am not claiming Butch is as good or better than Harbaugh, i am saying that Harbaugh hasnt won anything of significance at Michigan yet, if ever.

The SEC is a one-team conference. Your logic is getting worse and worse.

 

[NashVol11]

"Bowl games are really important because pride and finishing strong! Except the Orange Bowl, winning that doesn't really matter. Harbaugh can't finish."

 

[johnrlansford]

The SEC is a one-team conference. Your logic is getting worse and worse.

The FBS is a one team world. Its Alabama and everyone else. The rest of the SEC is very evenly matched. This still doesnt change the fact that Harbaugh hasnt proven anything at Michigan...keep drawing at straws. But an Orange bowl win doesn't determine if someone is a good coach or not.

He didnt win an Orange bowl at Michigan he lost one though, he won the Orange bowl at Stanford. Which proves my point, Harbaugh hasn't proven anything at Michigan.

Thanks for proving my point for me.😆

 

[johnrlansford]

"Bowl games are really important because pride and finishing strong! Except the Orange Bowl, winning that doesn't really matter. Harbaugh can't finish."

He didnt do it at Michigan, he did it at Stanford. You are proving my point for me. He lost the Orange Bowl at Michigan.

 

[NashVol11]

You said he wasn't a finisher. Now you're saying he was a finisher at Stanford, then magically forgot how to finish and is no longer a finisher? Lol

 

[johnrlansford]

You said he wasn't a finisher. Now you're saying he was a finisher at Stanford, then magically forgot how to finish and is no longer a finisher? Lol

You can try and turn this conversation if you'd like but my argument has remained consistently the same. This conversation is strictly about Harbaugh at Michigan, not at Stanford or the NFL.

Harbaugh hasn't proven anything at Michigan, is my argument. You can turn it but Harbaugh finished in 1 good bowl game at Stanford, and he's a good coach?

Let me ask you something, if Harbaugh has peaked and hasn't beat OSU, Won his division (highest he has finished in the Big10 is 3rd in his division), or even competed for the Big10 Championship by year 4 will Michigan still think hes a good coach? Be honest?

Here is a media perspective about Butch, Harbaugh, and Petrino comparing their accomplishments over the past 2 years.

https://twitter.com/SportsSourceTV/status/817446059618209794

 

[NashVol11]

Your argument was that he is irrelevant, which is plainly ridiculous. Using your Ricky Bobby logic, Temple is more relevant than the #6 team in the country (and Ohio State, for that matter, was an "irrelevant" playoff team this year).

Also, for someone who's not trying to compare him to Butch, you sure keep comparing him to Butch

 

[johnrlansford]

Your argument was that he is irrelevant, which is plainly ridiculous. Using your Ricky Bobby logic, Temple is more relevant than the #6 team in the country (and Ohio State, for that matter, was an "irrelevant" playoff team this year).

Also, for someone who's not trying to compare him to Butch, you sure keep comparing him to Butch

No everyone else is comparing him to Butch. So i added the points of comparison to Butch.

I said he hasnt done anything of relevance. Which is 100% true!!!

If you have a different argument what has he done outside of improving Michigan's regular season record? (Which I have acknowledged)

You are arguing with no points, what side are you arguing. Because you haven't made a single point yet? Just like to argue huh?

Harbaugh may prove to be a good coach but he hadn't proven that yet on the measurables that define a good coach!(winning big games and competing for championships...he has done neither at Michigan)

 

[KingtUT]

Cliff notes for those interested...

Blah, blah, a lot of excuses, blah blah. Everyone relax, getting beat by Vandy woke up our coaches. lol

 

[Brasszilla]

Your argument was that he is irrelevant, which is plainly ridiculous. Using your Ricky Bobby logic, Temple is more relevant than the #6 team in the country (and Ohio State, for that matter, was an "irrelevant" playoff team this year).

Also, for someone who's not trying to compare him to Butch, you sure keep comparing him to Butch

i hope you are a lawyer because watching you dancing back and forth arguing both sides and totally misconstruing facts to fit your narrative is quite impressive. if you aren't one, you def should be.

 

[NashVol11]

No everyone else is comparing him to Butch. So i added the points of comparison to Butch.

I said he hasnt done anything of relevance. Which is 100% true!!!

If you have a different argument what has he done outside of improving Michigan's regular season record? (Which I have acknowledged)

You are arguing with no points, what side are you arguing. Because you haven't made a single point yet? Just like to argue huh?

Harbaugh may prove to be a good coach but he hadn't proven that yet on the measurables that define a good coach!(winning big games and competing for championships...he has done neither at Michigan)

1. You said he isn't relevant, which is a subjective term, but probably less than 5% of all fans would call a top 10 team "irrelevant."

2. You're saying he isn't a good coach, based on measurables, and I'm pointing out how silly that is. By those same measurables, he was a good coach at all previous stops and now isn't a good coach anymore, which is ridiculous.

By those same measurables, if the referees reached a different conclusion on the spot of the ball in the OSU game, Harbaugh would go from "not a good coach" to "a good coach" without changing a single coaching decision, which is ridiculous.

(Unless, by those same measurables, BOTH OSU and Michigan were irrelevant because they didn't win their division, even though one was in the playoff. Guess what that is...)

Had you been here in 2008, you'd be saying that Saban and his 10-0, #1-ranked Bama team was "irrelevant" because they hadn't hung any banners yet. If you want to recreate that now, be my guest, but the fact that you're having to institute all these rules (winning his conference and the Orange Bowl at Stanford doesn't count, going to the NFC Championship for 3 straight years and a Super Bowl doesn't count, top 10 at Michigan doesn't count) to deem him "irrelevant," it should show you what a stretch you're making--and stretches like that are usually made by people who said Butch was better and don't want to admit they were wrong. Keep that hope alive

 

[NashVol11]

And as I said, the notion that 10 wins in a "2-team conference" wouldn't translate to the SEC, a one-team conference, is absurd. Your homerism is showing

 

[NashVol11]

John, you're all over the map, and your points make little sense. And you did say he's not yet proven to be a "good coach"......Here's your post.....


johnrlansford (898)
02:46 PM 12-22-2016 ( Report! )
Harbaugh has come close everywhere he's been but never gotten over the hump. He may prove to be a good coach for Michigan but that is still to be seen.
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I see the words "good coach"....don't see "great" anywhere.

And for the last time, I strongly disagree. He has indeed proven something at Michigan despite not winning a championship.....despite being there for all of less than 24 months or so.......He's proven he can take a broken program with a sub .500 record over the 2 previous seasons, and win at a very high level in very short order. Not winning a national title or a Big 10 title in a conference that includes Urban Meyer, in 2 years, isn't career defining for Harbaugh as a failed coach....especially given his full resume.

I never said he was a failed coach. I've seen his resume, hes never won a conference championship less yet a National Championship in college. Harbaugh has never won his conference in college not at Stanford or Michigan (butch has won 4 conference titles outright and shared), . Harbaugh was 12-1 in 2010 but lost to Pac 10 champs Oregon.

So let me get this straight Harbaugh hasnt beat his rival and failed to win his division in the Big10, how is he a good coach and Butch Jones is a horrible one? Atleast Butch beat Florida and was 9-4. Harbaugh was only 10-3 without a signifigant win over his biggest rival OSU. But i guess 1 game make Harbaugh good and Butch horrible right? You have no point in this arguement, not one that is held by any valid source of logic.

I am not making a claim that Butch is better or even as good as Harbaugh (that is another conversation) what i am saying is you cant have it both ways, if Harbaugh is good then so is Butch. Either way neither of them have proven anything at there respective schools, atleast nothing that seperates them from any good coach in the game today. Harbaugh is riding the media hype train right now that is all, i persobally think he has hit his plateau, Urban is better, heck I think Franklin is better. I dont see him reaching much more success at Michigan, he may win his division one day but i doubt it. If he does I'll gladly say I am wrong but that is for another day.😆 either way Harbaugh has proven nothing outside of he can produce a respectable regular season record.

Who's the one that brought up Butch, here?

 

[NashVol11]

You said he wasn't a finisher. Now you're saying he was a finisher at Stanford, then magically forgot how to finish and is no longer a finisher? Lol

You can try and turn this conversation if you'd like but my argument has remained consistently the same. This conversation is strictly about Harbaugh at Michigan, not at Stanford or the NFL.

Harbaugh hasn't proven anything at Michigan, is my argument. You can turn it but Harbaugh finished in 1 good bowl game at Stanford, and he's a good coach?

Let me ask you something, if Harbaugh has peaked and hasn't beat OSU, Won his division (highest he has finished in the Big10 is 3rd in his division), or even competed for the Big10 Championship by year 4 will Michigan still think hes a good coach? Be honest?

Here is a media perspective about Butch, Harbaugh, and Petrino comparing their accomplishments over the past 2 years.

https://twitter.com/SportsSourceTV/status/817446059618209794

Or here? Did my post mention Butch?