Calm down guys

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Marietta_Volunteer said:
no. I was pointing out that, starting in 1989, we went from winning big to declining to losing football by 2015. The descent started in 1999 and took 13 years to hit bottom. I could have worded it better for sure. That said, 13 years of steady decline can't be fixed in 3-4 years.
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With the right coach and supportive administration, it can absolutely be fixed in 3-4 years. Jones has already gone a long way towards fixing it and, imo, if he were better at managing games on Saturday, we'd have had an 11-1 regular season team with a trip to the SECCG this year, in year 4. Unless you equate "fixed" to winning a national title, which simply is not the annual expectation at Tennessee, I'd say 11-1 plus and SECCG appearance plus a Majors New Year's Day bowl game is it.
 
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KBVol said:
With the right coach and supportive administration, it can absolutely be fixed in 3-4 years. Jones has already gone a long way towards fixing it and, imo, if he were better at managing games on Saturday, we'd have had an 11-1 regular season team with a trip to the SECCG this year, in year 4. Unless you equate "fixed" to winning a national title, which simply is not the annual expectation at Tennessee, I'd say 11-1 plus and SECCG appearance plus a Majors New Year's Day bowl game is it.
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If you look at Majors first 9 years he had a good year or two as well. I call it "fixed" when you are consistently winning 9+ games with a SEC championship sprinkled in every few years. Yes 11-1 this year would have been great, but unless it is followed up then it is just a flash that many coaches have had. No, I dont believe it could be fixed in 3-4 years from 2012. We couldn't have gotten a name coach, nor do I think we will in the future unless CBJ starts winning big and the decides to leave. Personally, I think CBJ is doing a good job and if he makes staff changes I would say he is doing an excellent job. After leading teams and understanding how to get results, in business, he exhibits all the qualities you want in somebody with good potential and is performing as expected given his experience.
 
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Marietta_Volunteer said:
no. I was pointing out that, starting in 1989, we went from winning big to declining to losing football by 2015. The descent started in 1999 and took 13 years to hit bottom. I could have worded it better for sure. That said, 13 years of steady decline can't be fixed in 3-4 years.
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It's a 26 year span, during which TN had one of its most successful decade long runs, well, ever.

89-98 we win 5 sec titles and a national title.

99-04 we won 2 more division titles, and were still relevant in the national landscape.

The "decline" started in 05, and we still won th East again in 07.

So really, 89-07... 5 sec titles, 5 divisions and a NC. That's 7 opportunities to win the sec in 19 years. Every 2.7 years on average.

That exceeds almost everyone's expectations.

08-12 was the true bottom. 89-07 is bookended by 2 real down turns.
 
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jakez4ut said:
It's a 26 year span, during which TN had one of its most successful decade long runs, well, ever.

89-98 we win 5 sec titles and a national title.

99-04 we won 2 more division titles, and were still relevant in the national landscape.

The "decline" started in 05, and we still won th East again in 07.

So really, 89-07... 5 sec titles, 5 divisions and a NC. That's 7 opportunities to win the sec in 19 years. Every 2.7 years on average.

That exceeds almost everyone's expectations.

08-12 was the true bottom. 89-07 is bookended by 2 real down turns.
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If you look, in 99 we started the decline albeit from a very high plateau. I didn't say we weren't good from 99-04, but the trajectory was down. the point being that nothing good was done to correct a 13 year downward trend. it wasn't that one day everyone woke up and we had a bad year. there was a systemic problem and every big name coach knew it. it will take time to build it back up. all I'm saying.
 
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Marietta_Volunteer said:
If you look, in 99 we started the decline albeit from a very high plateau. I didn't say we weren't good from 99-04, but the trajectory was down. the point being that nothing good was done to correct a 13 year downward trend. it wasn't that one day everyone woke up and we had a bad year. there was a systemic problem and every big name coach knew it. it will take time to build it back up. all I'm saying.
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Michigan's steady decline didn't stop them from hiring Harbaugh, nor did it take long to redirect
 
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Players have got to be developed. Posters will be posting boom gifs after every 4* player we land and it's been two or three years for some of these players and they haven't made it on the field despite a slew of injuries.

No offense to Jumper he played good at times this year, but when JRM and DK jr. we had Elliot Berry out there, so was Bynum................IDK.

What I'm getting at here is they don't look like they've been coached how to play football. I've seen teams win Super Bowls with 4 DE out there. They put the 1 in 18-1.

We had the personnel to run a cover 2 defense, just let the opposing team dump it off in the middle and punish the ball carrier. We made Vandy's QB look like a Heisman candidate. We did well against the run. If those receivers would of had to take some hard licks they would of put the ball on the ground.

Does anybody remember wow awesome Gaulden looked his frosh. year? Sutton even digressed. What is the ****ing point of bringing in elite talent and not developing it?

Jalen Hurd should of transferred a year ago. Kamara is twice the player he is, not the same type of back. Kamara, Kelly, and CFA with more reps would of been a better trio. Hell he didn't want to be here, less focus on Jalen and more focus on something else productive.

Teams are gonna be recruiting against us like crazy, we got that damn title 9 hanging over our head, and know most coaches on the recruiting trail are going to be selling that Butch is a lame duck coach. "He'll be gone son after one more dismal year" and they're right.

So I doubt I'll be too calm over the next 12 months about UT football. But I have learned the past few season's not to take a game so seriously. I called both the USCe & Vandy losses.

Man I wish Barnett would stay another year get a degree, not play as much but help teach the guy behind him some tricks of the trade.

We are top 3-5 rated football team in talent, I truly believe that, we just don't have any development from any position on the field. We are too finesse. I like some grit with my UT football especially on defense.


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VolFaninFla said:
I agree that the UT offense deserves credit for taking advantage of VT fumbles & penalties. BUT...I watched the game again this morning and, IMO, most of the fumbles were unforced.

Did you see something I missed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoN4Fb7dG9k
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I must've or maybe I'm just looking at it a different way. . . Tennessee was on the field and fighting each play. The fumbles were a result of VT players making moves and other adjustments to account for our players' actions and disruptions on the field.
 
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KBVol said:
Final 4. Go check the playoff standings, they are #6. They were right there on the doorstep this year. Only a controversial loss to Ohio State kept them out.
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Don't forget the loss to Iowa, that didn't help. They didn't win their side of the big 10, so they didn't play in the conf. championship. #6 close no cigar.

Honestly I did miss all the controversy in their loss to Ohio St.

Maybe they will win their bowl and right the ship. Ah who cares it's Michigan.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Michigan's steady decline didn't stop them from hiring Harbaugh, nor did it take long to redirect
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Has Michigan won anything under Harbaugh? Their division? the BIG10? the Playoff?

So until Harbaugh wins anything he is irrelevant in college football no matter how much the media hypes him to be!!!:)
 
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KBVol said:
Final 4. Go check the playoff standings, they are #6. They were right there on the doorstep this year. Only a controversial loss to Ohio State kept them out.
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Close only counts in horse shoes and hand granades

Harbaugh is irrelevant until he actually wins something, no moral vistories here!!!:)
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Don't forget the loss to Iowa, that didn't help. They didn't win their side of the big 10, so they didn't play in the conf. championship. #6 close no cigar.

Honestly I did miss all the controversy in their loss to Ohio St.

Maybe they will win their bowl and right the ship. Ah who cares it's Michigan.
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Dude, you asked "in contention for what?".....the answer is they were one game (actually, one bad spot from the ref) away from the final 4 playoff. Stay focused buddy.
 
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johnrlansford said:
Close only counts in horse shoes and hand granades

Harbaugh is irrelevant until he actually wins something, no moral vistories here!!!:)
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Pay attention hoss. Poster asked what they were in contention for....the answer is the Final 4 playoff and a chance to win the national title.

Hell, we were "in contention" for a trip to the SECCG before Jones lost the SCar and Vandy games.
 
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KBVol said:
Dude, you asked "in contention for what?".....the answer is they were one game (actually, one bad spot from the ref) away from the final 4 playoff. Stay focused buddy.
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They weren't even in contention to win the BIG10?

Michigan=Irrelevance (Only media driven)
 
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KBVol said:
Pay attention hoss. Poster asked what they were in contention for....the answer is the Final 4 playoff and a chance to win the national title.

Hell, we were "in contention" for a trip to the SECCG before Jones lost the SCar and Vandy games.
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I am paying attention, they were in 6th that is still 2 places out not even close in this system.

The fact is Michigan hasn't won anything under Harbaugh!!!:)
 
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People have very interesting definitions of "contending." I guess the Patriots and Thunder weren't contenders last year either
 
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johnrlansford said:
Has Michigan won anything under Harbaugh? Their division? the BIG10? the Playoff?

So until Harbaugh wins anything he is irrelevant in college football no matter how much the media hypes him to be!!!:)
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By this line of reasoning, Jones is even more irrelevant then considering he has never coached in one of the New Year's Six games.
 
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johnrlansford said:
They weren't even in contention to win the BIG10?

Michigan=Irrelevance (Only media driven)
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So you got a 10-2 team who finished as the number 6 ranked team in the country, because they got screwed on a bad spot which would've effectively sealed the win for them and put them into the playoffs, rather than Ohio State who got in because they won that game vs Michigan, as "irrelevant"??

Why don't you stick to predicting which brand Tennessee recruits/players are gonna transfer.....remember, the criteria is they have to have been on campus for 10 minutes or more and they can't have played a single snap of even Spring ball.....ready.......go!
 
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