Breaking: Ricky Gibson to the portal

[BigOrangeTrain]

So Gibson signed a new deal in December for twice his previous deal.
Then, only two months later, he wants to renegotiate that deal and some say that's not wrong or immoral.
If he wants to renegotiate again in 2 months, and again a month later and again 6 weeks later and again just before the season opener. At any point does this become wrong or immoral?

Never according to some on here. Some think that’s totally normal. Funny how coaches don’t have that kind of power. But somehow the players deserve to. I think what Gibson did is inexcusable. It’s absolutely wrong. I would be willing to bet crap like this doesn’t happen too often in the business world.

I mean if you get a raise at work, you don’t renegotiate said raise for more and then if you get it, renegotiate again for more.

 

[Vol8188]

So Gibson signed a new deal in December for twice his previous deal.
Then, only two months later, he wants to renegotiate that deal and some say that's not wrong or immoral.
If he wants to renegotiate again in 2 months, and again a month later and again 6 weeks later and again just before the season opener. At any point does this become wrong or immoral?

I’ll gladly answer that:

At no point does it become immoral. Anyone not liking their current salary, requesting more, and leaving if they think they can get more, is never an immoral act

You’re welcome

 

[allstar34bd]

Get rid of Pretty Ricky and let the next man step up. Set an example.... not a team player to renegotiate due to a teammate getting injured... He just got a 2x last year in December. SEND HIM TO THE PORTAL EARLY

 

[allstar34bd]

 

[Vol865]

They also have collective bargaining agreements.

Sure, if the major revenue schools will do the right thing and form a pro league, get Congress to sign off Antitrust, THEN UT can present binding contracts to athletes also.

Apparently you've missed the entirety of the multiple lawsuits against the NCAA for Antitrust.

I'm not an attorney. I'm not going to act like i understand all of the legal jargon and what's exactly allowed vs what isn't. However, I do know this system is very broken and it'll be very hard for the sport to survive without them finding a reasonable solution.

 

[Vol8188]

Never according to some on here. Some think that’s totally normal. Funny how coaches don’t have that kind of power. But somehow the players deserve to. I think what Gibson did is inexcusable. It’s absolutely wrong. I would be willing to bet crap like this doesn’t happen too often in the business world.

I mean if you get a raise at work, you don’t renegotiate said raise for more and then if you get it, renegotiate again for more.

Why don’t you? I’m not seeing the issue. If you get a raise tomorrow and someone offers you 100k more the next month, are you doing something morally wrong if you accept it?

If so, how? What’s the principal you feel was violated?

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

TN is an "at will" state. The employee can leave "at will" and the employer can terminate them "at will."

What do you mean by "binding" when it comes to an employment contract in TN?

These are not employment situations. The players are selling the rights to market their NIL to the public while currently amateur athletes with defined accessibility for appearances and marketing activities. Pros have done this forever. Peyton better than most. Nothing to do with NFL, Indy or Denver franchises. So NCAA and UT would be clear too. Collective player issue.

Exclusivity is a negotiated element. If the local agreement had that, don’t know how they could be out bid for the defined duration of the agreement. The other entity would be at risk to litigation for infringement I would think. Would not have to sue the player necessarily, though also an option I would think.

All to new to know.

 

[Vol865]

Why don’t you? I’m not seeing the issue. If you get a raise tomorrow and someone offers you 100k more the next month, are you doing something morally wrong if you accept it?

If so, how? What’s the principal you feel was violated?

Let's say you agree to do some work on somebody's roof in January but for whatever reason you have to plan it a couple months out. Their roof caves in and now you charge more because you know they have to have a roof. Would you consider that to be ok morally?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I'm not an attorney. I'm not going to act like i understand all of the legal jargon and what's exactly allowed vs what isn't. However, I do know this system is very broken and it'll be very hard for the sport to survive without them finding a reasonable solution.

We'll agree on that. It's very broken. However, overall, UT is thriving in football, basketball, and baseball in this broken system.

That a situation like Gibson occurs is pretty minor annoyance if you look at the big picture of UT's response to the NIL and portal mess.

In the long run, this is unsustainable but for now UT has not only encouraged this chaos but it's handling it really well.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

I’ll gladly answer that:

At no point does it become immoral. Anyone not liking their current salary, requesting more, and leaving if they think they can get more, is never an immoral act

You’re welcome

Once again, he is not an employee of UT or SPYRE, he is an individual who assigned his NIL associated rights to a third party to market to the outside world. If exclusive, he cannot enter into another one for the duration of the agreement.

Was it???? Not a clue. You have hard facts about what he signed?

 

[Vol8188]

Let's say you agree to do some work on somebody's roof in January but for whatever reason you have to plan it a couple months out. Their roof caves in and now you charge more because you know they have to have a roof. Would you consider that to be ok morally?

Except he’s getting paid for time not by the job. This isn’t the same.

This is you get paid for the month and then you leave next month

 

[Vol8188]

Once again, he is not an employee of UT or SPYRE, he is an individual who assigned his NIL associated rights to a third party to market to the outside world. If exclusive, he cannot enter into another one for the duration of the agreement.

Was it???? Not a clue. You have hard facts about what he signed?

Lmfao you’re the one making the absurd claim and then asking me for facts to back it up?

Obviously he wasn’t locked into this contract for a specific amount of time, otherwise he wouldn’t be able to leave and still make money.

Why’re you pretending he was?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

These are not employment situations. The players are selling the rights to market their NIL to the public while currently amateur athletes with defined accessibility for appearances and marketing activities. Pros have done this forever. Peyton better than most. Nothing to do with NFL, Indy or Denver franchises. So NCAA and UT would be clear too. Collective player issue.

Exclusivity is a negotiated element. If the local agreement had that, don’t know how they could be out bid for the defined duration of the agreement. The other entity would be at risk to litigation for infringement I would think. Would not have to sue the player necessarily, though also an option I would think.

All to new to know.

You're just suggesting negatively recruiting UT by making transferring and NIL harder than GA or Alabama or any other SEC school.

The reason for all of this is the market value of these athletes continues to climb as schools offer more money, better deals, etc, etc.

Again, UT has been very involved in creating this chaos AND is overall handling it very well and being more successful than recent memory in 3 sports.

Rickey Gibson is a minor speed bump.

 

[TJVol95]

 

[Vol865]

Except he’s getting paid for time not by the job. This isn’t the same.

This is you get paid for the month and then you leave next month

He's not an hourly employee. He is most certainly getting paid by the job or we'd have a set rate for all CBs and tell him we can't pay any more than that.

 

[Vol865]

We'll agree on that. It's very broken. However, overall, UT is thriving in football, basketball, and baseball in this broken system.

That a situation like Gibson occurs is pretty minor annoyance if you look at the big picture of UT's response to the NIL and portal mess.

In the long run, this is unsustainable but for now UT has not only encouraged this chaos but it's handling it really well.

To an extent I agree. I'm glad the other sports are doing well but I want UT to be dominant in football and win national championships. Its hard to do that when your best players you're building around can just leave during multiple parts of the year on a whim without any penalties and other schools can interfere through back channels without much risk. A team like UT has to build up because we don't have a loaded roster. This magnifies that problem.

 

[Vol8188]

He's not an hourly employee. He is most certainly getting paid by the job or we'd have a set rate for all CBs and tell him we can't pay any more than that.

I didn’t call him an hourly employee. He’s on salary and paid by the month. Not by the job.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

To an extent I agree. I'm glad the other sports are doing well but I want UT to be dominant in football and win national championships. Its hard to do that when your best players you're building around can just leave during multiple parts of the year on a whim without any penalties and other schools can interfere through back channels without much risk. A team like UT has to build up because we don't have a loaded roster. This magnifies that problem.

That's not a changeable problem currently.

The State of TN, with UT's blessing, joined the WV case that led to multiple, no penalty transfers. It's what UT wanted, apparently.

The State or UT has been involved in several lawsuits making NIL almost completely unregulated. Again, it seems to be what UT wanted.

As for tampering with players, I feel certain we're as involved as anyone in sending out feelers to potential transfers.

Certainly Rickey Gibson didn't create the Wild West aspects he's using, UT however is heavily involved with other states and schools in repeatedly suing the NCAA to get here.

Who should we blame for this?

 

[Mccage]

Why don’t you? I’m not seeing the issue. If you get a raise tomorrow and someone offers you 100k more the next month, are you doing something morally wrong if you accept it?

If so, how? What’s the principal you feel was violated?

People going have to learn it’s just business.
High School players are doing it everyday soon it will be Jr. High. The old glory days are long gone!!

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

That's not a changeable problem currently.

The State of TN, with UT's blessing, joined the WV case that led to multiple, no penalty transfers. It's what UT wanted, apparently.

The State or UT has been involved in several lawsuits making NIL almost completely unregulated. Again, it seems to be what UT wanted.

As for tampering with players, I feel certain we're as involved as anyone in sending out feelers to potential transfers.

Certainly Rickey Gibson didn't create the Wild West aspects he's using, UT however is heavily involved with other states and schools in repeatedly suing the NCAA to get here.

Who should we blame for this?

Who tried to negotiate their deal after already getting one? UT, the state, the NCAA or Gibson? Who threatened to go into the portal for more piney after already receiving more money?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

People going have to learn it’s just business.
High School players are doing it everyday soon it will be Jr. High. The old glory days are long gone!!

Then people should understand the employees don’t run the business. You don’t negotiate a raise, then soon after renegotiate that same raise. At least I have never heard of a business doing that.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

So Gibson signed a new deal in December for twice his previous deal.
Then, only two months later, he wants to renegotiate that deal and some say that's not wrong or immoral.
If he wants to renegotiate again in 2 months, and again a month later and again 6 weeks later and again just before the season opener. At any point does this become wrong or immoral?

It's never immoral. It's on the person who keeps giving in to his demands that's at fault not the one who is practicing his rights as allowed by the law.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Who tried to negotiate their deal after already getting one? UT, the state, the NCAA or Gibson? Who threatened to go into the portal for more piney after already receiving more money?

Who helped rip the rules the NCAA had on NIL to shreds to allow this kind of mess?

While Gibson's move is a d*ck move, UT's repeated joining of lawsuits to shred NIL enforcement of any kind and TN's joining of the lawsuit to allow wholesale transfers are also d*ck moves for college athletics.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

That's not a changeable problem currently.

The State of TN, with UT's blessing, joined the WV case that led to multiple, no penalty transfers. It's what UT wanted, apparently.

The State or UT has been involved in several lawsuits making NIL almost completely unregulated. Again, it seems to be what UT wanted.

As for tampering with players, I feel certain we're as involved as anyone in sending out feelers to potential transfers.

Certainly Rickey Gibson didn't create the Wild West aspects he's using, UT however is heavily involved with other states and schools in repeatedly suing the NCAA to get here.

Who should we blame for this?

There is no question he can enter the portal and transfer.

There is no question he can seek the most amount of money for his NIL UNTIL he signs a binding agreement for a defined amount of money, for defined deliverables, and a defined period WITH exclusivity. Has he? The battles are intellectual property rights for 25’.

SPYRE word smithing is the key to discouraging other collectives from risking litigation for their own damages or as witnesses against an athlete.

We will probably want to keep the water muddied till portal closes, so don’t expect to see the agreement released.

Do they have a standing? Would they act on it or be discouraged by UT due to optics?

No precedents I have heard of, anybody?

Has this situation already created divisions and distrust that make him staying problematic? Not a clue.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

There is no question he can enter the portal and transfer.

There is no question he can seek the most amount of money for his NIL UNTIL he signs a binding agreement for a defined amount of money, for defined deliverables, and a defined period WITH exclusivity. Has he? The battles are intellectual property rights for 25’.

SPYRE word smithing is the key to discouraging other collectives from risking litigation for their own damages or as witnesses against an athlete.

We will probably want to keep the water muddied till portal closes, so don’t expect to see the agreement released.

Do they have a standing? Would they act on it or be discouraged by UT due to optics?

No precedents I have heard of, anybody?

Has this situation already created divisions and distrust that make him staying problematic? Not a clue.

Since we've seen others transfer from UT with no NIL issues, it's doubtful. That's the logical answer.