Breaking: Ricky Gibson to the portal

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RDU VOL#14 said:
Do we have any idea who actually is making these big offers to Gibson? I feel like we’re all assuming it’s some big time program and that he would be leaving us for a better situation, at least that what’s all of “in the corporate world” analogies are suggesting . What if it isn’t ?

If you’re one of the better chefs at one of Bobby Flay’s restaurants you’re part of a great, stable company that gives you access to resources that a lot of places do not have and you are compensated very well. What if the CEO of Ruby Tuesday (yeah I know it started in Knoxville) said come be a part of our team, we don’t have the resources, you won’t expand your culinary knowledge, we only have a few restaurants left, but we’re willing to pay you more than Bob Flay. Do you leave? Does this change how you would view this “business decision”?
Ruby Tuesdays in this analogy is Kentucky or something comparable like Baylor or Boston College.
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We don't even know if there is an offer, do we? Gibson may be bluffing about an offer or think the McCoy injury is enough leverage.

Any offer to Gibson is technically an NCAA violation (not that NCAA violations have mattered to schools for decades and decades when giving out money pre-NIL) so he or his agent or whomever likely isn't too keen on ratting out a program to UT.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If the offer is better in his mind, why does it matter if it’s a major program or not?

I still don’t see the argument many are making that he is doing some kind of wrong
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I guess it depends on what’s important to you . It’s one thing to go to another program that’s comparable or above you for more $. That shows your value is justified, but asking for more $ bc some joke of a program is offering a bit more changed my opinion of the process.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I guess it depends on what’s important to you . It’s one thing to go to another program that’s comparable or above you for more $. That shows your value is justified, but asking for more $ bc some joke of a program is offering a bit more changed my opinion of the process.
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None of that is relevant. Relative value in this case is subjective. You’re welcome to disagree with his assessment of which option (more money at a smaller school or vice versa) is better for the player. But the people pretending he’s committed some immoral act are out of their minds.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
We don't even know if there is an offer, do we? Gibson may be bluffing about an offer or think the McCoy injury is enough leverage.

Any offer to Gibson is technically an NCAA violation (not that NCAA violations have mattered to schools for decades and decades when giving out money pre-NIL) so he or his agent or whomever likely isn't too keen on ratting out a program to UT.
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Point being, we keep throwing these “corporate” hypotheticals around like it’s an automatic he should do it “if my boss doesn’t…” All I’m saying is maybe the potential new boss is at risk of being fired and you’re gonna regress for a 1 time increase. I’m pointing out that there should be a larger picture to observe than being paid more at Arkansas or another C- program than Tennessee.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Point being, we keep throwing these “corporate” hypotheticals around like it’s an automatic he should do it “if my boss doesn’t…” All I’m saying is maybe the potential new boss is at risk of being fired and you’re gonna regress for a 1 time increase. I’m pointing out that there should be a larger picture to observe than being paid more at Arkansas or another C- program than Tennessee.
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There's not going to be. We don't really know crap specifically about NIL deals and offers and likely never will.

Gibson's move is almost surely a leverage move, a d*ck move, but a nicely played d*ck move even if there's no offer and only McCoy's injury.

People can say: I'd never do that.
Others can say: Hate the game, don't hate the player.

That's pretty much the whole thread, IMO.
 
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So Gibson signed a new deal in December for twice his previous deal.
Then, only two months later, he wants to renegotiate that deal and some say that's not wrong or immoral.
If he wants to renegotiate again in 2 months, and again a month later and again 6 weeks later and again just before the season opener. At any point does this become wrong or immoral?
 
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Danl said:
So Gibson signed a new deal in December for twice his previous deal.
Then, only two months later, he wants to renegotiate that deal and some say that's not wrong or immoral.
If he wants to renegotiate again in 2 months, and again a month later and again 6 weeks later and again just before the season opener. At any point does this become wrong or immoral?
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The main person driving this has gone from 137 consecutive inaccurate predictions related to football, to suddenly being an expert on contract labor and managing a college football roster. Maybe he’s finally found his niche .
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
You saying our folks can just not pay them since they are not binding? Tell them first day of fall classes. Anybody seen a boilerplate contract they could share. You would think some terms have to exist.
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Not sure the validity of my google find but…..

A NIL contract, or name, image, and likeness contract, is an agreement between a student-athlete and a third party. The contract outlines how the athlete can be compensated for allowing the third party to use their image and name.
Key terms in a NIL contract:
Compensation and payment terms: How much the athlete will be paid and how they will be paid
Scope of work: What the athlete will do for the third party
Duration and termination clauses: How long the contract will last and how it can be terminated
Exclusivity clauses: Whether the athlete is restricted from working with other third parties
Moral clauses: Whether the contract can be terminated if either party engages in illegal or unethical behavior
NIL contract guidelines:
NIL deals can't be based on athletic performance or enrollment at a specific school.
Student-athletes must disclose NIL agreements to their schools within 30 days of signing.
The NCAA uses disclosed data to create a database that helps student-athletes and schools make informed decisions.

So, binding is a variable, have to see his to know!
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
You saying our folks can just not pay them since they are not binding? Tell them first day of fall classes. Anybody seen a boilerplate contract they could share. You would think some terms have to exist.
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If they are binding, players couldn’t leave. Obviously not binding. And although I imagine neither of us know the full details, we both know players can be ran off and not payed
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
Edited to add…

Not sure the validity of my google find but…..

A NIL contract, or name, image, and likeness contract, is an agreement between a student-athlete and a third party. The contract outlines how the athlete can be compensated for allowing the third party to use their image and name.
Key terms in a NIL contract:
Compensation and payment terms: How much the athlete will be paid and how they will be paid
Scope of work: What the athlete will do for the third party
Duration and termination clauses: How long the contract will last and how it can be terminated
Exclusivity clauses: Whether the athlete is restricted from working with other third parties
Moral clauses: Whether the contract can be terminated if either party engages in illegal or unethical behavior
NIL contract guidelines:
NIL deals can't be based on athletic performance or enrollment at a specific school.
Student-athletes must disclose NIL agreements to their schools within 30 days of signing.
The NCAA uses disclosed data to create a database that helps student-athletes and schools make informed decisions.

So, binding is a variable, have to see his to know!
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TN is an "at will" state. The employee can leave "at will" and the employer can terminate them "at will."

What do you mean by "binding" when it comes to an employment contract in TN?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
TN is an "at will" state. The employee can leave "at will" and the employer can terminate them "at will."

What do you mean by "binding" when it comes to an employment contract in TN?
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The Titans and Preds still have legally binding contracts lol. Put buyouts in the contract and performance clauses.
 
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Vol865 said:
The Titans and Preds still have legally binding contracts lol. Put buyouts in the contract and performance clauses.
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They also have collective bargaining agreements.

Sure, if the major revenue schools will do the right thing and form a pro league, get Congress to sign off Antitrust, THEN UT can present binding contracts to athletes also.

Apparently you've missed the entirety of the multiple lawsuits against the NCAA for Antitrust.
 
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