Breaking: Ricky Gibson to the portal

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Just cut him loose, no more free tuition,meals or access to athletic facilities , or be prepared to go thru this with several more players.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
When I read this I think of the supposed David Lee Roth quote: Money can't buy you happiness but it can buy you a yacht big enough to pull alongside it.

Of course not everything in life is about money but in the big scheme of things Gibson's leverage play is just a hardball business move. If UT plays hardball back at him in some way, that's fair.

This is why I think a General Manager may be needed now at the college level. Let them deal with the money aspects and be adversarial with the players and let the coaches coach the players the GM gets.

It really is a business. Business really isn't "y'all play nice on the playground" when millions of dollars are in the mix.
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Everything in today's society IS about money. I really enjoyed growing up in the middle 1900s I was very young during WWII but remember a lot about the suffering our family faced during those years. I had two brothers who served during the war, one in the Army Air Corps and the other in the Navy. Times were tough as almost all resources were directed toward the War effort. Tour Nation had a common goal; defeat the Axis powers. Gasoline and food were rationed. In East Tennessee, you would be go through road block where you identification were checked by officials. Air raid drills were conducted and blackouts were not unusual. People shared their garden produce with those who did not have a garden. Many people, even some of them would lived within the City Limits of towns had raised own cows, chickens, and pigs for food. People took care of other people who were old or could not perform some of the tasks require to survive.
Today, our Nation is just about as divided as it can be and our society is based on how much money each of us can weasel out of our fellow citizens. Public education is in the worse shape I can remember. We seem to try to figure out how can we scam someone of their savings. I have lived through both extremes and I fear for our Nation because of our greed. The old saying that money is the root of all evil seems to be true in today's world. I for one, and happy that I have these experiences, but I am concerned what my grand and great grand children face in the years to come.
As far as NIL is concerned, I believe that college athletes deserve to be compensated for their efforts , but that a framework must be established to prevent both the Universities and the Athletes from taking advantage of each other. I also believe that if one signs a contract( agreement) one should be held to the terms of that agreement for at least one year. Bribery should not be allowed be either party of the agreement.
I know, I am an old fart who is pretty well set I my beliefs and the way I live my life, but I see things which are against my standards which I based on my life experiences and have tried to set examples for my family. I am at ease with the way in which my family has conducted their lives and the new ideas which they have incorporate into their lives.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Everything in today's society IS about money. I really enjoyed growing up in the middle 1900s I was very young during WWII but remember a lot about the suffering our family faced during those years. I had two brothers who served during the war, one in the Army Air Corps and the other in the Navy. Times were tough as almost all resources were directed toward the War effort. Tour Nation had a common goal; defeat the Axis powers. Gasoline and food were rationed. In East Tennessee, you would be go through road block where you identification were checked by officials. Air raid drills were conducted and blackouts were not unusual. People shared their garden produce with those who did not have a garden. Many people, even some of them would lived within the City Limits of towns had raised own cows, chickens, and pigs for food. People took care of other people who were old or could not perform some of the tasks require to survive.
Today, our Nation is just about as divided as it can be and our society is based on how much money each of us can weasel out of our fellow citizens. Public education is in the worse shape I can remember. We seem to try to figure out how can we scam someone of their savings. I have lived through both extremes and I fear for our Nation because of our greed. The old saying that money is the root of all evil seems to be true in today's world. I for one, and happy that I have these experiences, but I am concerned what my grand and great grand children face in the years to come.
As far as NIL is concerned, I believe that college athletes deserve to be compensated for their efforts , but that a framework must be established to prevent both the Universities and the Athletes from taking advantage of each other. I also believe that if one signs a contract( agreement) one should be held to the terms of that agreement for at least one year. Bribery should not be allowed be either party of the agreement.
I know, I am an old fart who is pretty well set I my beliefs and the way I live my life, but I see things which are against my standards which I based on my life experiences and have tried to set examples for my family. I am at ease with the way in which my family has conducted their lives and the new ideas which they have incorporate into their lives.
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I guess we'll see just how many boomers we have on this forum because the vast majority will agree with you Nore.
 
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barney said:
I think they should call this guy's bluff and let the chips fall where they may. Screw this dirt bag stuff. If he transfers, so be it. The policy of the staff should be that your deal is final for 1 calendar year. No re-negotiations.
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Exactly.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
I know, I am an old fart who is pretty well set I my beliefs and the way I live my life, but I see things which are against my standards which I based on my life experiences and have tried to set examples for my family. I am at ease with the way in which my family has conducted their lives and the new ideas which they have incorporate into their lives.
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That things were simpler and better back then is not debatable. Your sister and mine probably roamed wherever they wished and 99.9% of the time safely. Your door was not only open to strangers but often unlocked safely.

What was, however, isn't now. Part of my old fart job is to try to understand, move almost like my grandfather searching for water with a "water witching stick," searching for directions to point the next generations. I WON'T tell them to roam wherever they wish nor leave their door open, even though society was better then.

I try to meet the younger generation where they ACTUALLY are rather than lament the old days that really aren't coming back, nor can the changes (good and bad) be held back. So I look at things, look at attitudes, look for tells in leaders (here in this forum, people like Danny White, Randy Boyd, Donde, Josh, etc) for where we're being led.

UT, and particularly UT Football, embraced money decades ago as the direction which leads to championships. Things might have been simpler in the Coach Fulmer era (and before,) but palms were greased to make UT successful. And it worked.

What we see now is a new era of money being required for winning and trying help my family understand and, if talented, navigate successfully in college athletics means looking at the mess from a "how is this going to work" standpoint.

What I see is UT being successful in navigating and supporting a much different game and landscape than General Neyland did. UT is DEFINITELY treating athletics as a cutthroat business where money rules the day and UT is thriving in it.

I can't tell my family: the old ways were better and we have to hold to them because that's what UT is about..... in good faith because it's not what UT is about anymore. It's not what works, it's not what got us to the playoffs, it's not what will keep us relevant in the "NCAA 2.0" era.

UT has embraced, even led, the changes money has made in athletics and is navigating the new terrain very well. I need to do the same. UT is my team and we don't run General Neyland's single wing almost never passing because UT changed with the game and embraced more successful strategies.

Trying to navigate and understand the money issues, the portal issues, the tampering, the NIL, and the inevitable pro football that college football will become is really all we can do.

I don't know exactly how it's going to shake out but I do know I've changed in how I see UT in this. I've had to see their lead and decide that a free-for-all with lots of money and pushing rules to the limit and beyond is what is working for UT.

I'm not about to tell my family that I was on the righteous side in this and "never saw it" and always kept my integrity. I'm with UT in this, for better or worse.
 
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Some thoughts I had on this:

I don't like the fact the he agreed to something then wanted more when he had leverage to get more.

This certainly will not endear him to the fanbase.

Will this effect the culture of the program? What do other players think of him doing this? Will other players want 'theirs' as well?

What do NFL teams think of players that do this? Will he have to explain himself when he interviews with different NFL franchises in a couple of years?

For decades athletic departments and coaches were making money hand over fist and the players were left out. Now it is the players turn. While I do not like this, I hold him no ill will. This is his opportunity, he sees an angle and he his playing it. If the NCAA was not so incompetent they could have started making gradual changes in the 1990's and maybe all this crap could have been avoided.

Is college football going to get worse? How much longer will I have an interest in watching this when I hate so much about it now?
 
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jackaro said:
Some thoughts I had on this:

I don't like the fact the he agreed to something then wanted more when he had leverage to get more.

This certainly will not endear him to the fanbase.

Will this effect the culture of the program? What do other players think of him doing this? Will other players want 'theirs' as well?

What do NFL teams think of players that do this? Will he have to explain himself when he interviews with different NFL franchises in a couple of years?

For decades athletic departments and coaches were making money hand over fist and the players were left out. Now it is the players turn. While I do not like this, I hold him no ill will. This is his opportunity, he sees an angle and he his playing it. If the NCAA was not so incompetent they could have started making gradual changes in the 1990's and maybe all this crap could have been avoided.

Is college football going to get worse? How much longer will I have an interest in watching this when I hate so much about it now?
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Well, the fact still is, money is the controlling factor to the decisions made by ,probably 90% of people who live in the in the modern World today. I dare to say that 30 5% of those do not really care where those $$ come from as long as they continue to rake in those $$. However, there some of us have turned down new positions which pay them more $$ because they disagree with the ethics of those companies/people offering the $$. Gree is still the major decision maker.
 
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swampfoxfan said:
Just cut him loose, no more free tuition,meals or access to athletic facilities , or be prepared to go thru this with several more players.
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I honestly tend to agree with this, though it pains me to say so. Reminds me of the UNLV QB issue this past fall. He said UNLV didn’t come through. Others said they did but he tried renegotiating after a hot start. Either way, he transferred out after three games.

I don’t see a positive in keeping Gibson from a long term perspective. Unless it’s some unknown personal/family issue and the staff are aware and behind it, this seems like a power play. Unless there’s a clear understanding of expectations between athlete/coach/AD and collective, this will happen much more often.
 
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newyorkvol said:
I honestly tend to agree with this, though it pains me to say so. Reminds me of the UNLV QB issue this past fall. He said UNLV didn’t come through. Others said they did but he tried renegotiating after a hot start. Either way, he transferred out after three games.

I don’t see a positive in keeping Gibson from a long term perspective. Unless it’s some unknown personal/family issue and the staff are aware and behind it, this seems like a power play. Unless there’s a clear understanding of expectations between athlete/coach/AD and collective, this will happen much more often.
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My question all along has been that if they cave on this renegotiation demand, what’s to stop every other starter at a position of need from walking in and demanding a renegotiation? Looks to me like he’s using the same strategy as Matthews. Might be an expensive precedent.
 
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Delmar said:
My question all along has been that if they cave on this renegotiation demand, what’s to stop every other starter at a position of need from walking in and demanding a renegotiation? Looks to me like he’s using the same strategy as Matthews. Might be an expensive precedent.
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It’s a bit of a conundrum. NIL is supposed to be just that…compensation for name, image and likeness. It’s NOT supposed to be “pay for play.” But obviously those two things are inextricably intertwined. Eventually I think there will be limits on the transfer portal revolving around NIL deals, but until then the transfer portal should be called mercenary portal.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Everything in today's society IS about money. I really enjoyed growing up in the middle 1900s I was very young during WWII but remember a lot about the suffering our family faced during those years. I had two brothers who served during the war, one in the Army Air Corps and the other in the Navy. Times were tough as almost all resources were directed toward the War effort. Tour Nation had a common goal; defeat the Axis powers. Gasoline and food were rationed. In East Tennessee, you would be go through road block where you identification were checked by officials. Air raid drills were conducted and blackouts were not unusual. People shared their garden produce with those who did not have a garden. Many people, even some of them would lived within the City Limits of towns had raised own cows, chickens, and pigs for food. People took care of other people who were old or could not perform some of the tasks require to survive.
Today, our Nation is just about as divided as it can be and our society is based on how much money each of us can weasel out of our fellow citizens. Public education is in the worse shape I can remember. We seem to try to figure out how can we scam someone of their savings. I have lived through both extremes and I fear for our Nation because of our greed. The old saying that money is the root of all evil seems to be true in today's world. I for one, and happy that I have these experiences, but I am concerned what my grand and great grand children face in the years to come.
As far as NIL is concerned, I believe that college athletes deserve to be compensated for their efforts , but that a framework must be established to prevent both the Universities and the Athletes from taking advantage of each other. I also believe that if one signs a contract( agreement) one should be held to the terms of that agreement for at least one year. Bribery should not be allowed be either party of the agreement.
I know, I am an old fart who is pretty well set I my beliefs and the way I live my life, but I see things which are against my standards which I based on my life experiences and have tried to set examples for my family. I am at ease with the way in which my family has conducted their lives and the new ideas which they have incorporate into their lives.
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Well said. If younger folks could have lived in our time with all it entailed, I suspect they'd have a greater awareness about the dire straits our country and culture are in.
 
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StuckInBamaVol said:
What’s the cliff notes of this thread? Can’t read that many pages lol
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A player that's good got a bump in NIL.
later in the year said player saw an injury to a player in his position group & saw leverage.
Player decides he wants another bump figuring he's not NFL material and only chance at said money.
He's not looking to come back to Knoxville as an endeared former player and get a high paying job for his exploits, he wants money, and he wants it now.
 
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newyorkvol said:
It’s a bit of a conundrum. NIL is supposed to be just that…compensation for name, image and likeness. It’s NOT supposed to be “pay for play.” But obviously those two things are inextricably intertwined. Eventually I think there will be limits on the transfer portal revolving around NIL deals, but until then the transfer portal should be called mercenary portal.
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Agree. The last I checked, Spyre isn’t lining up deals for guys to play for Bama or Georgia or for their magnetic personalities or movie star looks. They are getting paid under the guise of NIL to sign and play for Tennessee. If that’s not pay for play, I’m not sure what to say.
 
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People who say greed is so much worse today than previous generations know less of the history of the USA than they think.
Too many people cherry pick the past to show it was better.

I grew up in the 70s and 80s and everything bad in the world was right there already. I saw a lot of it as a teenager. The only difference is there used to be shame in doing bad, now it is a badge of honor for some and their chosen public personas. People used to whisper about what was really going on, now they post pictures on their instagram.

People think the world seemed safer in past generations because you couldn't talk about the bad things in polite company.
I teach in a rural (and extremely poor) K-8 school about a 30 minute drive from home. I have students from a family that has been inbred for several generations. It has never been a secret in the community. Pretty sure most of that happened in the good old perfectly safe days a lot of people like to reference.

Ecclesiastes 1:9, "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the Sun."

Everyone here would look out for themselves and their family and renegotiate 'whatever' if circumstances change.

The straight truth is if we had more CB talent, it wouldn't matter what Ricky Gibson does. Heupel has turned things around, but the roster is going to be a work in progress for a few more seasons. If Alabama or UGA's #2 CB became the #1 CB due to an injury and threatened to walk for more NIL, they would just make their #3 and #4 CBs the new #1 and #2 and move on. We don't have enough roster talent to manage that yet.
He has us by the short and curlies.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If someone offered you an extra 100k a year, would you leave your job?

If so, does that make you indecent?
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Non compete clauses exist for a reason. They are admittedly hard to defend legally for various reasons. But in general, if you sign a contract today for 50k/year and tomorrow someone offers you 150k, it’s not indecent but does trigger some form of legal discussion
 
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newyorkvol said:
Non compete clauses exist for a reason. They are admittedly hard to defend legally for various reasons. But in general, if you sign a contract today for 50k/year and tomorrow someone offers you 150k, it’s not indecent but does trigger some form of legal discussion
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And yet that’s not the case here. So I’m not sure why anyone is pretending this is some morally indefensible act
 
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If a senior associate leaves the company and you get promoted, don't you expect a raise for taking over the senior role?
 
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Vol8188 said:
If someone offered you an extra 100k a year, would you leave your job?

If so, does that make you indecent?
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This is how I feel about it. I think everyone crying about this believes that college football players should be fine accepting what they have.
 
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fossilfiction said:
This is how I feel about it. I think everyone crying about this believes that college football players should be fine accepting what they have.
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I think, for me anyway, the problem is that Gibson and his handlers recently got a boost then came back for more after the injury to the #1CB on the team. Seem to recall reading that Gibsons pay is at or near the top of the NIL values for his position. Smacks of extortion. Plus, instead of handling it in private, he and his handlers went public with the intent of putting the pressure on Heupel and UT. Not good.
 
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CAVPUT said:
I think, for me anyway, the problem is that Gibson and his handlers recently got a boost then came back for more after the injury to the #1CB on the team. Seem to recall reading that Gibsons pay is at or near the top of the NIL values for his position. Smacks of extortion. Plus, instead of handling it in private, he and his handlers went public with the intent of putting the pressure on Heupel and UT. Not good.
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I’m still not sure what the problem is. If you got a raise in January and I offered you an extra 100k in March, are you some kind of monster if you accept my offer?
 
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