Breaking: Ricky Gibson to the portal

UT supported/joined these lawsuits against the NCAA only because, even after getting b**ch slapped by SCOTUS, the NCAA pursued a public campaign against UT specifically. They planted a high-profile story and intended to make an example of UT. Dr. Plowman and the regents had very little choice but to take them to the woodshed.

Having said that, I do think that the UT admin read the tea leaves and knew that they had to get in front of the mayhem, if only from a PR perspective. Once NIL became a thing, it was clear that limiting transfers also became unconstitutional. UT knew it, the NCAA knew it, and most first year law students could have successfully made the argument in front of any court in the US and won.

You can't arbitrarily limit somebody's earning potential by imposing limits on where they can study and "train" for their chosen profession. As long as market forces can freely dictate what an "advertiser" is willing to pay for a "spokesperson's" NIL, then no entity can interfere with those market forces. If the market in Columbus supports a better earning opportunity for Ricky Gibson than the market in Knoxville, then forcing Ricky Gibson to stay enrolled at UT is a non-starter. The transfer rules never applied to other students and were only created to benefit the schools and the NCAA.

You are 100% correct that UT knew this was the end game and has been openly and actively participating in it. We are most certainly going to lose some good players on occasion.

But folks should consider that the only reason that Ricky Gibson had leverage was because McCoy, who transferred here for better financial opportunities, got hurt. And....if we lost Ricky Gibson to the portal, you can be certain that there is another Jerod McCoy somewhere that would gladly take the terms of Ricky Gibson's original deal to come play at UT. No tampering would be necessary.
UT wasn't involved in the multi transfer with no penalty situation in any way yet the State of TN magically joined the WV lawsuit. Why?

I'm extremely doubtful the State Attorney General didn't discuss joining the lawsuit with the UT admins.

Look, it's working for UT. Fans need to get onboard and support what the school supports which is the transfers, the NIL culture, etc.

No matter how much it sucks to us, we're successful with it and winning is what all of us want.
 
Not seeing the problem. I have a salary. If I get a better offer tomorrow (it would have to be significantly better), I’d renegotiate with my employer.

How’s that bad?
Because this isn't an accounting job. It's football. There's should be contractual obligations just like every other position related to it. Which I also why the example I used makes more sense. You agreed to do a job and was fine with it until you could use an injury as leverage. If he earned a pay increase, that's one thing. Im not going to sit here and act like Rickey Gibson played at an elite level to earn an increase.
 
Because this isn't an accounting job. It's football. There's should be contractual obligations just like every other position related to it. Which I also why the example I used makes more sense. You agreed to do a job and was fine with it until you could use an injury as leverage. If he earned a pay increase, that's one thing. Im not going to sit here and act like Rickey Gibson played at an elite level to earn an increase.

You’re saying “there should be” obligations, but there’s not.

If he’s not worth the money, don’t pay him. Given they paid him, it seems he’s earned it.
 
So if Gibson tweeks his knee to the point of being ‘less marketable’ to other teams this year, does Spyre then renegotiate his NIL for this year?

No because you have to worry about future players and other teams using that against you. The organization has to worry about the future in addition to the present while the player can just worry about the present.
 

So you think Tennessee can not fulfill their agreed upon obligations without there being blowback from future recruits? Let it get out Tennessee is pulling NIL deals after injury and see how quickly opponents start using that against us to get guys we're interested in.

Tennessee has to fulfill their agreed upon NIL obligations even if the players don't have to stick to the agreed upon deal for the specified time.
 
Since we've seen others transfer from UT with no NIL issues, it's doubtful. That's the logical answer.

Really? Which other transfers left with an NIL contract in place for a period that included the next season? The so far unseen wording of that document is key to legal issues. The COULD THEY vs WOULD THEY play their cards IF IF IF it was enforceable is the big unknown. For SPYRE and player, other collective, and other school for tying up a schollie till resolved.

Could our side elect to modify current agreement for a value EQUAL TO or LESS THAN competition “offer” to avoid pushing the envelope? Who knows, maybe already did. There is a RISK analysis for both sides. I will go with Coach regardless, keep him, fight it, or let it drop.
 
Gibson isn't going anywhere. He went from DB2 to DB1.5....... Fans of Tennessee need to stop projecting their fandom on guys that wear the jersey's. We will get the occasional FAN player, but from this point forward what we have are NFL interns who work for our University. Will this free agency model eventually hurt college football? Who knows, but fans have to stop projecting their fandom.
 
Really? Which other transfers left with an NIL contract in place for a period that included the next season? The so far unseen wording of that document is key to legal issues. The COULD THEY vs WOULD THEY play their cards IF IF IF it was enforceable is the big unknown. For SPYRE and player, other collective, and other school for tying up a schollie till resolved.

Could our side elect to modify current agreement for a value EQUAL TO or LESS THAN competition “offer” to avoid pushing the envelope? Who knows, maybe already did. There is a RISK analysis for both sides. I will go with Coach regardless, keep him, fight it, or let it drop.

Lmfao
 
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Gibson isn't going anywhere. He went from DB2 to DB1.5....... Fans of Tennessee need to stop projecting their fandom on guys that wear the jersey's. We will get the occasional FAN player, but from this point forward what we have are NFL interns who work for our University. Will this free agency model eventually hurt college football? Who knows, but fans have to stop projecting their fandom.
I can project my fandom however I please. Especially with what I donate every year.
 
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Really? Which other transfers left with an NIL contract in place for a period that included the next season? The so far unseen wording of that document is key to legal issues. The COULD THEY vs WOULD THEY play their cards IF IF IF it was enforceable is the big unknown. For SPYRE and player, other collective, and other school for tying up a schollie till resolved.

Could our side elect to modify current agreement for a value EQUAL TO or LESS THAN competition “offer” to avoid pushing the envelope? Who knows, maybe already did. There is a RISK analysis for both sides. I will go with Coach regardless, keep him, fight it, or let it drop.
If this sort of thing REALLY interests you, look up the kid from Wisconsin, Xavier Harris???, who is transferring to Miami and who WI is threatening to sue because he had a "2 year NIL contract" in place. They also say Miami tampered with him. Duh..... of course they did.

His deal is said to be a newer "revenue sharing" kind of NIL deal based on the House lawsuit settlement which isn't approved yet. It may be a test case for the plan to use "in house NIL" contracts to hold kids to a school. As far as I know, the kid is in Miami getting ready to play.

As for UT and Spyre Spring transfers with guys who likely had an NIL deal in place, Elijah Herring transferred to FSU by entering the portal in April last year. Did he have a signed deal? Who knows?

As for your question of could Gibson's deal be more, less, or the same as before? Sure. Could it be he just reconsidered without a new deal? Sure. And a major earthquake could happen next Saturday and destroy Knoxville. We have an equal chance of knowing the details of all those things..... none.

Give it up. Rickey Gibson is practicing. Root for the kid or boo him. It will make zero difference to him, I'm sure.
 
If this sort of thing REALLY interests you, look up the kid from Wisconsin, Xavier Harris???, who is transferring to Miami and who WI is threatening to sue because he had a "2 year NIL contract" in place. They also say Miami tampered with him. Duh..... of course they did.

His deal is said to be a newer "revenue sharing" kind of NIL deal based on the House lawsuit settlement which isn't approved yet. It may be a test case for the plan to use "in house NIL" contracts to hold kids to a school. As far as I know, the kid is in Miami getting ready to play.

As for UT and Spyre Spring transfers with guys who likely had an NIL deal in place, Elijah Herring transferred to FSU by entering the portal in April last year. Did he have a signed deal? Who knows?

As for your question of could Gibson's deal be more, less, or the same as before? Sure. Could it be he just reconsidered without a new deal? Sure. And a major earthquake could happen next Saturday and destroy Knoxville. We have an equal chance of knowing the details of all those things..... none.

Give it up. Rickey Gibson is practicing. Root for the kid or boo him. It will make zero difference to him, I'm sure.

Hope the reason for him at practice and the final resolution of his NIL deal becomes public. I am speculating it could be a compromise where SPYRE bumped his pay SOME, a compromise that MIGHT play better than matching with the rest of the roster and him not having to deal with POTENTIAL litigation by SPYRE for him or the other teams NIL reps and the questions about him playing elsewhere while it was tied up in court. Staying would be the course of least resistance, and he knows his fit to our schemes. Portal entry or not and final numbers IF HE STAYS will tell the tale. Those numbers always seem to get out.

UT’s involvement helped create his freedom to seek and sign NIL deals, not to ignore them once in place.
 
UT’s involvement helped create his freedom to seek and sign NIL deals, not to ignore them once in place.
Obviously, creating that freedom had unintentional consequences for UT, but they still helped create this.

Specific and detailed NIL leaks seldom occur. Everyone SAYS Nico makes $2M / yr but that's little more than "been reported to be" or "speculated to be" or various other ways to say "we think this is the amount but we don't know."

Until you're ready to post your financial deals and financial situation, maybe you should stop wanting to look at someone else's financial situation. Rickey Gibson has a right to as much financial privacy as you want for yourself or does playing college football forfeit that?

Is he an employee of the state like Coach Heupel? No. He's a private citizen like you. So cough it up, how much is in your IRA and brokerage accounts?
 
Could our side elect to modify current agreement for a value EQUAL TO or LESS THAN competition “offer” to avoid pushing the envelope?
Sure they could...if both parties agree. I've had several contacts that include a "ROFR" clause (Right of First Refusal), whereby if a party receives a better offer, the other party has the right to match that offer and maintain the agreement at the higher price. It would be interesting to see an NIL agreement. An ESPN article states "the contract template for SEC schools says athletes and their representatives cannot 'initiate, solicit, entertain, negotiate, accept or discuss' any competing offers. Players must immediately tell their school if another team reaches out to express interest in a transfer. If the school discovers that a player failed to report the contact, the school can stop payments. The athlete might not only lose earnings but also might be forced to cover the school's legal fees."
 
Obviously, creating that freedom had unintentional consequences for UT, but they still helped create this.

Specific and detailed NIL leaks seldom occur. Everyone SAYS Nico makes $2M / yr but that's little more than "been reported to be" or "speculated to be" or various other ways to say "we think this is the amount but we don't know."

Until you're ready to post your financial deals and financial situation, maybe you should stop wanting to look at someone else's financial situation. Rickey Gibson has a right to as much financial privacy as you want for yourself or does playing college football forfeit that?

Is he an employee of the state like Coach Heupel? No. He's a private citizen like you. So cough it up, how much is in your IRA and brokerage accounts?

Nope, rules require him to report it to the school of enrollment but not publicly. IRS too.

No employment law involved at all. I think it is probable that he is scheduled to accept a specified amount of money from SPYRE for a specified time period for defined acts. If the language says they have exclusive rights then he has a problem till that contract expires or has exercisable cancellation terms.
 
So if Gibson tweeks his knee to the point of being ‘less marketable’ to other teams this year, does Spyre then renegotiate his NIL for this year?

here is the deal.

If no one is willing to pay for an individual player, kind of doesn't matter what is in the agreement. I would guess there is a contingency clause that they have to be able to promote said player to the market and procure the funding. If they can't get anyone to pay, does the player get paid? Sprye doesn't have unlimited funds with UT fans or UT businesses providing the funds.

I doubt an injury would limit a player as much as a player being unproductive and ending up sitting on the bench..

speculating since I've never seen any agreement.
 
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I’ll gladly answer that:

At no point does it become immoral. Anyone not liking their current salary, requesting more, and leaving if they think they can get more, is never an immoral act

You’re welcome
Immoral is the wrong word for sure. Selfish is more appropriate.
 

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