Any better than Dooley?

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gasguy98 said:
Dooley should have beat LSU in his first year but didn't.
Dooley beat Cincy when he played Jones with this talent we see on the field now.

Jones almost beat UGA (minus two of their best O players). We did beat SC with a great play by North but every other competitive game has been a blowout and now we are seeing the team flat out give up.

I love the energy Jones brings, the cute slogans etc. but lets be honest....Dooley would have fared just as well this year. We see the exact same level of intensity that Dooley produced with pretty much the exact same results.

When SEC rivals set new records against team 117 it is not improvement. We simply have not improved one iota under Jones and it has me concerned that this turn around (if we are having one) is going to be a lot longer than many of us have the stomach for.

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Just stop! Did Dooley have the same schedule first year?
 
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gasguy98 said:
Auburn won 3 games last year.
It is more than "our guys are faster than your guys"
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yes it is. they are better FOOTBALL players. way more than just speed. plus they want to win whereas the tn players dont seem to care.
thats not really about coaching. that desire comes long before they ever get to college. most should have never been recruited
 
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VolGee4 said:
Walk-ons....at nickel back. We have played at least 5 top ten teams. Keep it up.
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Have I denied there were talent issues? No. Have you answered the challenge that there are also coaching issues? No.

UT's players getting physically beaten does not really bother me. It is the evidence of a lack of coaching. Guys are making the same mistakes. They aren't player their responsibilities. Guys are getting whipped and not being replaced.

Has anyone suggested they had to win games against top 5 teams? I believe all we have asked is that they look better than a mid-major or FCS team against those teams.

But all we hear from some of you is excuses and evasion. Keep it up.
 
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I'll tell you one thing I like about Jones. He says the right things after a loss. Dooley's post game interviews always left me depressed. Jones at least takes responsibility and vows to improve.
That's a start. Now he just has to keep from being a liar.
 
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gasguy98 said:
I don't know how long many of the posters on this site are but I suspect the average age to be about 25. I have a bit more time watching Tennessee football and I can tell you that even during Majors growing pains the team was almost always competitive.
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Majors 1st few seasons were terrible and for the longest time he struggled to get a team that was half good..losing to teams like Rutgers at homecoming and how about that 81 season where they opened up with losses to UGA 44-0 and USC 43-7?.....Took him a while to get players who could compete with teams like that and honestly he STILL under achieved most of the time...He was the master of barely beating a team or beating a good team and losing to a team with a losing record the following week and he ALWAYS had good talent.
 
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sjt18 said:
Have I denied there were talent issues? No. Have you answered the challenge that there are also coaching issues? No.

UT's players getting physically beaten does not really bother me. It is the evidence of a lack of coaching. Guys are making the same mistakes. They aren't player their responsibilities. Guys are getting whipped and not being replaced.

Has anyone suggested they had to win games against top 5 teams? I believe all we have asked is that they look better than a mid-major or FCS team against those teams.

But all we hear from some of you is excuses and evasion. Keep it up.
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Replaced with what? Where is all of this talent that they will get replaced with? Nobody is giving excuses we are giving people like you facts but you just refuse to accept them.
 
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What a goofy thread title. We were expected to go 5-7 but we got the upset we needed against SCAR. We will win out, go 6-6 and everyone on the board will be back on the wagon to be in a bowl game. Help is on the way, just be patient and remember basketball starts Tuesday! :)
 
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We could have hiredf anybody in the country, and I doubt the record would be any different than it is right now. If anything, we might have one less win. It is what it is.

We are 1-6 in games in which we were underdogs, and in most of those games, we were 10+ point underdogs. Vegas gets it.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
Majors 1st few seasons were terrible and for the longest time he struggled to get a team that was half good..losing to teams like Rutgers at homecoming and how about that 81 season where they opened up with losses to UGA 44-0 and USC 43-7?.....Took him a while to get players who could compete with teams like that and honestly he STILL under achieved most of the time...He was the master of barely beating a team or beating a good team and losing to a team with a losing record the following week and he ALWAYS had good talent.
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He did underachieve and he did lose in some blowouts but for the most part his teams were far more competitive then what we have now. Key word competitive.

Auburn has never scored that many points even when they had better teams and super good backs like Cadillac Williams.
We are Kentucky level bad and If Jones doesn't get the ship truly righted them he will be out in 4. There is too much pride and $$$ to go 5-7 every year.
 
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gasguy98 said:
I don't know how long many of the posters on this site are but I suspect the average age to be about 25. I have a bit more time watching Tennessee football and I can tell you that even during Majors growing pains the team was almost always competitive.
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The SEC was a 3rd tier conference then too.
 
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General Jack said:
Dooley would not have beaten SC, so we would be 3-7 right now staring directly down the barrel of this program's first ever 8 loss season.

Go check the recruiting forum, you will feel better. Dooley would not have put that class together.
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Actually, if Dools was here, I'm not sure we beat S. Ala. Swiss cheese Sal and Dooley would have probably given that game away too.
 
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JVol76 said:
Replaced with what? Where is all of this talent that they will get replaced with? Nobody is giving excuses we are giving people like you facts but you just refuse to accept them.
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This is exactly what everybody needs to realize. Just like it was for Travis at the Alamo, there are no replacements at the present.
 
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JVol76 said:
Replaced with what? Where is all of this talent that they will get replaced with? Nobody is giving excuses we are giving people like you facts but you just refuse to accept them.
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Completely agree. The guys on the field now are the best players that we've got. I'm impressed with what Jones has done with what he has so far this year. Not to mention if Dooley were still recruiting odds are we wouldn't have gotten North, arguable our best offensive player. I don't understand where people get this concept that all the guys on the bench are all stars yet Butch chooses to start other players.
 
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Well, lets just fire another head coach. It's not like paying another fired coach will be a contributing factor in in who the university can or cannot afford to hire....
 
#120
#120
Better than Doolz, I still think it will get much better. No choice now but to stick with Butch, I like him.
 
#121
#121
Assuming our recruiting class holds together thru NSD he's better at recruiting

He's better at player relations, public relations, pithy slogans and embracing our traditions

Game preparation, player motivation, game planning? I'd just as soon take Dooley right now. There is no difference.
 
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friedeggsammich said:
yes it is. they are better FOOTBALL players. way more than just speed. plus they want to win whereas the tn players dont seem to care.
thats not really about coaching. that desire comes long before they ever get to college. most should have never been recruited
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Let me get this straight. A team goes from a 3 win season (0 in the SEC) to 9-1 in one year shocking the nation and it is because they suddenly found all this talent and speed they never knew they had.

Meanwhile another team gets an upgrade in coaching (supposedly) and the team, particularly the defense doesn't move an inch?

Something doesn't add up.

Meanwhile, somewhere in Gainesville pathetic Vandy...
 
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Let me ask you guys this would you rather be in Floridas situation? Have a roster full of talent yet be 4-5 and the fourth best team in your state right now. Things could be worse, atleast we have an excuse.
 
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gasguy98 said:
Let me get this straight. A team goes from a 3 win season (0 in the SEC) to 9-1 in one year shocking the nation and it is because they suddenly found all this talent and speed they never knew they had.

Meanwhile another team gets an upgrade in coaching (supposedly) and the team, particularly the defense doesn't move an inch?

Something doesn't add up.
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I think you should stick with pumping gas.
 
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