Any better than Dooley?

#51
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General Jack said:
If nothing else, remember this.

Dooley had CP, Hunter, Rivera and Bray, and still found a way to lose. He never beat a ranked team in 16 or so tries. Couldn't even back his way to a win with blind luck.

Dooley was a loser with a losing resume.

CBJ beat a ranked team in his 7th game. CBJ has a winning resume.

CBJ may not be the end-all, be-all, but he is for sure, no question, positively, better than Dooley.
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Thanks for the logical courteous response. Good point.
 
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Reverend Bubba Flavel said:
Not even sure about recruiting. With the legacies this was going to be a very good class no matter what
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I'm not so sure about that.

I don't follow recruiting super closely (but do keep up with it somewhat), and pretty sure I've seen some of our legacy guys indicate indecision on going to Tennessee if Dooley was still going to be around.
 
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gasguy98 said:
4-5 years to improve? Jones won't last unless he shows some improvement. My god some on here think I am crying because we are not heading for the SECCG. I am only questioning lack of noticeable improvement.
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They did beat a ranked team and recruiting is better.

I would say that's noticeable. I could be wrong, though....
 
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VolGee4 said:
Comparing CBJ to Dooley is just ridiculous.
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No it isn't. You pretty much have the same defensive players, right? So a coaching upgrade should be reflected in at least some improvement. So far, scoring D is about 33 ppg vs FBS schools. Last year it was 37. Total D so far is around 435 per game. Last year it was 471. Rushing D last year was 188 ypg. This year... 226 ypg. Only the pass D has shown statistical improvement... and why would anyone pass against UT right now?

We need players, plain and simple. I feel sorry for people who don't understand this.
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More COULD have been done with THESE players... I feel sorry for people who don't understand this.
 
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EZE said:
PS-we have shown improvement. We beat a ranked team for the first time since Fulmer was the coach.
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And I loved every minute of it. Not to split hairs but if not for a superhuman play by North we don't win that one either.

Meanwhile in Gainesville the gators romp over a hapless Vanderbilt team....Oh......nevermind.
 
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gasguy98 said:
4-5 years to improve? Jones won't last unless he shows some improvement. My god some on here think I am crying because we are not heading for the SECCG. I am only questioning lack of noticeable improvement.
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Year one is almost always going to have some ugly games, but I can't really fault you for asking the question.
 
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The bottom line is our O-line is awfully inconsistent and defensive coaching( or lack thereof) is what is killing us more than anything else. Obviously special teams today was terrible, but had been pretty damn good the rest of the year. I do think Butch should make some changes to the defensive coaching staff. Muschamp come on down!!!
 
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sjt18 said:
No it isn't. You pretty much have the same defensive players, right? So a coaching upgrade should be reflected in at least some improvement. So far, scoring D is about 33 ppg vs FBS schools. Last year it was 37. Total D so far is around 435 per game. Last year it was 471. Rushing D last year was 188 ypg. This year... 226 ypg. Only the pass D has shown statistical improvement... and why would anyone pass against UT right now?



More COULD have been done with THESE players... I feel sorry for people who don't understand this.
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You have the same shtick every time. Keep on keeping on.
 
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General Jack said:
If nothing else, remember this.

Dooley had CP, Hunter, Rivera and Bray, and still found a way to lose. He never beat a ranked team in 16 or so tries. Couldn't even back his way to a win with blind luck.

Dooley was a loser with a losing resume.

CBJ beat a ranked team in his 7th game. CBJ has a winning resume.

CBJ may not be the end-all, be-all, but he is for sure, no question, positively, better than Dooley.
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And we now accept Dooley as the "standard" for what it takes to be a "good" coach or to do a "good" coaching job? If all you expect Jones to be is a little better than Dooley... that's a pretty low bar.

More specifically though, if all you expect is for Jancek to be a little better than Sunseri... that's a ridiculously low bar.
 
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crunchimusmaximus said:
I agree...the blind loyalty here toward butch is sickening.....it was just like this as well when Dooley was here.....anyone loyal to butch at this point should go join a cult...guy has proven zero so far...only bright spot Is recruiting...
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That's exactly how it starts..."Recruiting"
 
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VolGee4 said:
You have the same shtick every time. Keep on keeping on.
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And so do you and others.... you are in denial. The defensive coaching for the last 3 games has been very bad. Yet you guys keep blaming "talent" or "speed" for things that are COACHABLE.
 
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EZE said:
If you couldn't see the noticeable difference in athleticism, then I can't help you. Auburn has recruited better than Tennessee over the past 4 years.
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And we have recruited better than Mizzou, what is your point?
 
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There's a huge possibility that this team will improve after a whole year of working with a new offensive scheme and defensive schemes...Throw in the addition of some highly new recruits and who knows what will happen???

CBJ went 4-8 in his first season at Cinci...He won the conference the next two seasons...Evidence that a coach can improve a season later.
 
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At some point somebody has to surprise the conference and exceed expectations. It can be done and is done every year in the SEC. Vandy, Auburn, Ole Miss come to mind recently.

It is obvious that in all these cases it was a great coaching hire that made the difference in the first or second year. I don't understand how fans as passionate as me just write this off as somehow acceptable. Even the commentators were going on and on about the super pathetic play by the D. They are regressing big time. The momentum is gone and we will start off the 2014 season unranked, play a few cupcakes, get spanked and the result will be a virtual copy of 2013, 2012, 2011...

The future in now!!
 
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I just think there's a big difference between Dooley and Jones. Dooley was awful. By season 3 I never even got my hopes up about bigger games since I felt like we were always doomed from the start. With Jones I'm at least a little more optimistic.

I want to be excited about this staff, I'm just mainly indifferent towards them right now. Nobody will really be able to properly gauge how good they actually are until about 3 seasons in....minimum.
 
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RetardedElf said:
I'm assuming that's before you take into account all the players from those classes that are no longer on the roster
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Always an excuse.

So a ream with a national championship winning coach goes winless in the conference last year while we go 1-7 with Dooley. Yet its clear that they have so much more talent as to flat out embarrass us like they did today?

Makes zero sense
 
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I am glad few, if any of us, are decision makers in the AD. Only on late night TV do they advertise immediate 'miracle solutions' for 19.95, second one free [except for process/handling].
Legacies: I find it humorous that so many on here think those kids had no say in where they want to go [ thank god Peyton did not buy into that] other than where their Daddy went to school.
Auburn: program sits in a hot bed of talent - just needed a coach.
Vandy: darn if it doesn't look like that flipping Franklin has built up some talent. Look at today and the UGA result. This ain't our Daddy's Vandy fellows.[ or mine from my university days]
GBO - afraid we gotta look to the future and not the present
 
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Listen, I don't know if Butch is the long term answer or not. There are certainly legitimate reasons for concern. But, I am going to give him time. He inherited a mess, mid-level talent, and a terrible culture problem (which is the biggest problem on the team IMO). And because of depth issues, he can't bench a lot of players to make a statement, because he doesn't have anybody behind the current starters.

I think the incoming class is going to be the beginning of a culture change. Many of those kids seem to be leaders.
 
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