This whole "if we don't land a home run, we should keep Dooley" thing

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JonGrudensAgent said:
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Good coaches adjust to their players during Spring in Fall practice and 8 weeks worth of regular season practice.

8 weeks into the season and we are still lamenting "communication issues".

Good coaches adjust to what other teams are doing.

Inside passes such as slants has killed this team all season.

Good coaches teach their players how to tackle and get into the proper pursuit angles and position to make tackles.

Every week, we make another team's highlight reels.

You can see improvement in the players and overall performance from game 1 to game 2 to game 8 with a good coach.

Sunseri has done NONE of these things. Not one.

And spare the lamentations on how terrible the players are, almost every single defensive starter is a Dooley recruit.

Lathers and Waggner are the only holdovers in the starting lineup.

Try watching a game occasionally, it helps.
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Please, tell me about how I haven't watched games. I agree that I wish I would have seen more of a change by now, but I also understand that it's a process that takes time, just like building up a program from the hell hole we were in 5 years ago.
 
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crusse10 said:
I consider a lateral move as a move where we hire someone with a contract similar to that of Dooley. Hiring someone for $2mil is a move that helps Tennessee none. It just adds to our deficit, makes players leave, and continues the notion that we aren't committed to doing what we need to do to make the team better. Appeasing the masses by making a move that hurts the team is pointless and I hope our administration is smarter than the idiots wanting a move for no reason but the aforementioned shiggles.
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Maybe I missed something, but what makes you think the AD/Boosters would make a lateral move? When Hamilton hired Dooley he was between a rock and a hard place. Nobody wanted the job for many reasons.

Now is not then. I agree we don't go out and hire Bobby Hauck, Todd Berry or Jeff Quinn...that would be a lateral move.
 
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crusse10 said:
Has there been great progress from Dooley's year two to Dooley's year three?
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The only "progress" I see is a few guys on offense. Please keep in mind Hunter, CP, and alot of the OLine were considered NFL bound before they even came to UT. The offense is playing on talent alone. That is why sometimes it looks good and sometimes it looks like a clusterf*#^. The defense is pathetic. I get the 3-4 may be tough to install(unless your Maryland as they did it this year without a hitch). Not being able to line up right or tackle.....is 6th grade stuff. This team took a big step back from 2009 to 2010. They took another step back in 2011. I would expect ANYONE could have helped them take a step forward this year. They could not have got much worse if they tried.
 
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vol66 said:
Maybe I missed something, but what makes you think the AD/Boosters would make a lateral move? When Hamilton hired Dooley he was between a rock and a hard place. Nobody wanted the job for many reasons.

Now is not then. I agree we don't go out and hire Bobby Hauck, Todd Berry or Jeff Quinn...that would be a lateral move.
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If we hire someone who is only worth $2mil a year, it's pointless to fire Dooley.

I've said that if we're removing Dooley to hire someone at $4mil+, I support that decision.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
The only "progress" I see is a few guys on offense. Please keep in mind Hunter, CP, and alot of the OLine were considered NFL bound before they even came to UT. The offense is playing on talent alone. That is why sometimes it looks good and sometimes it looks like a clusterf*#^. The defense is pathetic. I get the 3-4 may be tough to install(unless your Maryland as they did it this year without a hitch). Not being able to line up right or tackle.....is 6th grade stuff. This team took a big step back from 2009 to 2010. They took another step back in 2011. I would expect ANYONE could have helped them take a step forward this year. They could not have got much worse if they tried.
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So the answer is that yes, this team is better. Why can't they be next year with the same staff? Why is that impossible? Please, tell me the future.
 
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crusse10 said:
If we hire someone who is only worth $2mil a year, it's pointless to fire Dooley.

I've said that if we're removing Dooley to hire someone at $4mil+, that I support that decision.
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I can't put a dollar figure on it but I just can't believe that they wouldn't hire a proven HC at this stage. Gruden, Peterson, Patterson, Strong, god forbid Petrino, Holgorsen, etc...

Kirby Smart and other OC/DC are not what I'd call a lateral move, but if you're saying that is unacceptable, I agree. However, if Dooley stays, we will continue to lose ground on the top tier SEC teams.
 
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vol66 said:
I can't put a dollar figure on it but I just can't believe that they wouldn't hire a proven HC at this stage. Gruden, Peterson, Patterson, Strong, god forbid Petrino, Holgorsen, etc...

Kirby Smart and other OC/DC are not what I'd call a lateral move, but if you're saying that is unacceptable, I agree. However, if Dooley stays, we will continue to lose ground on the top tier SEC teams.
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Based on how we've gained ground on those teams from last year to this year, I disagree. Would I rather have a coach who deserves a salary that turn heads? Certainly. But if we can't get someone for that, then we're spinning our wheels in the mud by making a change.
 
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crusse10 said:
If we hire someone who is only worth $2mil a year, it's pointless to fire Dooley.

I've said that if we're removing Dooley to hire someone at $4mil+, I support that decision.
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Kevin Sumlin was just hired for 2 million. Holgerson was hired for less than 2 million. Kirby Smart would be my example. 2 million would double his salary. Kirby Smart would be a big improvement over Dooley. There is a reason Saban never offered Dools a coordinator job.
 
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crusse10 said:
So the answer is that yes, this team is better. Why can't they be next year with the same staff? Why is that impossible? Please, tell me the future.
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Your the one saying we will be better in the future. I don't predict the future, I look at things how they are. I am saying the track record of Dooley and his coaching shows we will not be an SEC contender. He is a career loser. It's not going to change.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Kevin Sumlin was just hired for 2 million. Holgerson was hired for less than 2 million. Kirby Smart would be my example. 2 million would double his salary. Kirby Smart would be a big improvement over Dooley. There is a reason Saban never offered Dools a coordinator job.
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The only 2 good teams that Sumlin has played, they've lost to. Holgerson is in the same boat. Hell Holgerson just lost the last 2 games by a combined 104-28. Do you think they'd have done anything differently?

Everyone talks about the record but fails to talk about the strength of the teams the losses are to.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Your the one saying we will be better in the future. I don't predict the future, I look at things how they are. I am saying the track record of Dooley and his coaching shows we will not be an SEC contender. He is a career loser. It's not going to change.
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But the very recent history, AKA from last year to this year, proves an upward trend
 
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crusse10 said:
Why is his percentage below .500? Because of where he coached and the situations in which he coached. He took over a 3-10 Louisiana Tech team and a 7-6 Tennessee team decimated by Kiffin. If he had a team that was built to compete with the teams he's coaching against, he would be successful. The progression from last year to this year points toward next year being the year to start beating teams we weren't supposed to win this year.
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fyp.

I was trying to figure out where you were coming from with this pro-Dooley stance. But this post solved the riddle. Over-compensating for being so wrong so long ago.

Dooley must be gone. In fact, if we are even contemplating another Kirby Smart / $2M coach then we might as well bring Fulmer back.

Gruden... soon.
 
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crusse10 said:
The only 2 good teams that Sumlin has played, they've lost to. Holgerson is in the same boat. Hell Holgerson just lost the last 2 games by a combined 104-28. Do you think they'd have done anything differently?

Everyone talks about the record but fails to talk about the strength of the teams the losses are to.
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He has 3 wins in the SEC, 2 of which was by a total of 90 points. He lost to UF by 3. He beat a ranked Tech team. All of that he did in YEAR 0.

LOL@Year 0:eek:lol:
 
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crusse10 said:
But the very recent history, AKA from last year to this year, proves an upward trend
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So forget hitting rock bottom, as long as there is a little improvement. :eek:lol:

We were beat by UK. HOW could there not been SOME improvement? Please tell me your kidding?
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
He has 3 wins in the SEC, 2 of which was by a total of 90 points. He lost to UF by 3. He beat a ranked Tech team. All of that he did in YEAR 0.

LOL@Year 0:eek:lol:
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Who are the wins against? And what are their SEC records?

And what about the SEC records of the teams we've lost to?
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
fyp.

I was trying to figure out where you were coming from with this pro-Dooley stance. But this post solved the riddle. Over-compensating for being so wrong so long ago.

Dooley must be gone. In fact, if we are even contemplating another Kirby Smart / $2M coach then we might as well bring Fulmer back.

Gruden... soon.
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I would actually be fine bringing Fulmer back if it meant no Dooley. Fulmer has won some SEC games.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
fyp.

I was trying to figure out where you were coming from with this pro-Dooley stance. But this post solved the riddle. Over-compensating for being so wrong so long ago.

Dooley must be gone. In fact, if we are even contemplating another Kirby Smart / $2M coach then we might as well bring Fulmer back.

Gruden... soon.
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See...That's where you're wrong. The great players on our team (minus Patterson) are here because Kiffin was here.
 
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crusse10 said:
When we win out and finish 8-5, are we an improved team?
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Not enough to keep Dooley employed IMO. Last year was a disaster. Improvement was a given to some degree. You can't hire a guy allow him to go from a 7 win season to 6 wins to a 5 win and then pat him on the back for getting back to 7 where you started. I don't see this team winning 5 games straight. IF they did win the next 4, we would be playing a scrub ACC team in the MCB. Sorry, I just can't get excited about a losing coach.
 
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crusse10 said:
Aaaaaand now we know that you deserve no opinion in the matter. You've officially lost talking privileges.
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:lolabove:

LOL@talking down a coach with 150 wins to support keeping a guy who has lost to EVERYONE who matters.

This has to be some kind of joke. Where is Kutcher. Where are the cameras?
 
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crusse10 said:
See...That's where you're wrong. The great players on our team (minus Patterson) are here because Kiffin was here.
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Which great players are those? The ones winning all these SEC games?

Which Kiffin recruits are left besides Palardy and Bray. Hell, isn't Zack a 5th year senior, Fulmer recruit and Lathers for that matter? Fulmer has more starters than Kiffin on this team.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Not enough to keep Dooley employed IMO. Last year was a disaster. Improvement was a given to some degree. You can't hire a guy allow him to go from a 7 win season to 6 wins to a 5 win and then pat him on the back for getting back to 7 where you started. I don't see this team winning 5 games straight. IF they did win the next 4, we would be playing a scrub ACC team in the MCB. Sorry, I just can't get excited about a losing coach.
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We go 8-5 and he's .500 as an SEC coach who came into a sub .500 situation. And saying that you don't see this team as a team that can go 5-0 against Troy (4-4), Missouri (4-4, 1-4 SEC), Vanderbilt (4-4, 2-3 SEC), and Kentucky (1-8, 0-6 SEC)? Seriously? You're just trying to be as negative as you can be. Any realist looks at our team and sees a 7-5 finish.
 
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crusse10 said:
Based on how we've gained ground on those teams from last year to this year, I disagree. Would I rather have a coach who deserves a salary that turn heads? Certainly. But if we can't get someone for that, then we're spinning our wheels in the mud by making a change.
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I think you must be speaking of how we played versus the big 4, is that right? In that regard, on field performance...maybe.

We are behind the big 4 right now in recruiting...BIGTIME. If Dooley stays it will be another year of hot seat talk by our rivals. I'm not sure Dooley will be able to keep what he has.

Further, I'm not sure how many current players will stay. They probably all should, but they may say I don't want another year of this. Bray, Thomas, Hunter, Patterson and a few of the Jr. Offensive lineman could say, enough.

That would be a disaster.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
:lolabove:

LOL@talking down a coach with 150 wins to support keeping a guy who has lost to EVERYONE who matters.

This has to be some kind of joke. Where is Kutcher. Where are the cameras?
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What quality teams did Fulmer beat to win those 150 games? what quality coaches did Fulmer prove he can beat on a regular basis?

As the SEC built its dominance, it left Fulmer in the dust. The only good SEC coach from the 90s was Spurrier, and he steamrolled Fulmer. Then people like Saban, Meyer, Miles, and Tuberville came in and exposed him for what he was: a mediocre coach who last saw success 14 years ago.
 
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