This whole "if we don't land a home run, we should keep Dooley" thing

#76
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Nashvol2 said:
Throw me in on this group. If you can't get a big name that's an OBVIOUS upgrade (that means 90% of the fanbase) than Dooley should stick around until we can. It's a real simple idea and I think if you want to fire Dooley for sh!t$ and giggles than your the idiot.
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The same homerun hires that would not come last year are the same homerun hires that will not come this year are the same homerun hires that will not come next year.
 
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UTRavens said:
Yes it would. Much worse, actually. The reason why recruits are avoiding Tennessee isn't because of the coach himself, but the perception that he's a lame duck. The hiring of a new guy offers stability, and that alone goes a long way.
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I think it would be worse to take a chance on someone other than a Gruden, Stoops, Cowher ext caliber coach. If we gamble and lose we could be stuck in a worse situation where we couldn't buy our way out.
 
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I don't understand you people. You're acting like we already have a solid coach. We have a f@#!king embarassment. A f#%$king trainwreck. It's completely unreasonable to expect some miracle big name sure thing homerun hire. How often does that happen in all of college football? Once or twice a decade? We can't wait around for that. We're not getting better in any appreciable way. We're losing money every year. We're the worst we've been in our history. Just give us someone who has a decent chance to be good.
 
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hog88 said:
I think it would be worse to take a chance on someone other than a Gruden, Stoops, Cowher ext caliber coach. If we gamble and lose we could be stuck in a worse situation where we couldn't buy our way out.
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Stop acting like keeping Dooley isn't also a gamble. Not taking action =/= not taking risk.
 
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UTRavens said:
Stop acting like keeping Dooley isn't also a gamble. Not taking action =/= not taking risk.
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Removing him for a lateral move is a short-sighted only done to appease people who verbally want a change. It's got no positive.
 
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oregonvol said:
I don't understand you people. You're acting like we already have a solid coach. We have a f@#!king embarassment. A f#%$king trainwreck. It's completely unreasonable to expect some miracle big name sure thing homerun hire. How often does that happen in all of college football? Once or twice a decade? We can't wait around for that. We're not getting better in any appreciable way. We're losing money every year. We're the worst we've been in our history. Just give us someone who has a decent chance to be good.
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Bingo. Part of the reason Hart gets paid a million dollars a year is to find a a qualified head coach. Let's let him do his job!
 
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vols-1 said:
Bingo. Part of the reason Hart gets paid a million dollars a year is to find a a qualified head coach. Let's let him do his job!
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I'm with you he just needs to show the same commitment to winning as Bama does!
 
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oregonvol said:
A lateral move would be if we hired Frank Spaziani or Joker Phillips
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I consider a lateral move as a move where we hire someone with a contract similar to that of Dooley. Hiring someone for $2mil is a move that helps Tennessee none. It just adds to our deficit, makes players leave, and continues the notion that we aren't committed to doing what we need to do to make the team better. Appeasing the masses by making a move that hurts the team is pointless and I hope our administration is smarter than the idiots wanting a move for no reason but the aforementioned shiggles.
 
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UTRavens said:
Because his teams almost always underachieves in big games. Because it seems like he never has control of our undisciplined team on or off the field. Because going 0-14 against ranked teams is nearly impossible even for a lower tier SEC team, and clearly indicates it's more than a talent problem. Because even his most ardent supporters never actually mention any accomplishments on his part, and only resort to saying "why not? and "give him time".

And what happens after 2013, when the seniors are gone? Is the team going to tank again? You make it sound like Dooley needs perfect conditions to have a good season. Well, even Shula had his one big year. Does that offset his other failures?
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Derek Dooley could have 5 straight top 5 recruiting classes, 20 SRs starting on the offense/defense, the easiest schedule in the SEC, and I would wager he wins 9 games or less. He has not shown the ability to outcoach ANYONE. The teams we have beat were teams with MUCH less talent. Even talent, we lose by 2 scores. People talk as though Dooley will all a sudden have a coaching revolation. The angels will come down and UT football will be back on top. "Shazaam". :eek:lol:

He has NEVER proved he was a good coach when it came to winning and or out coaching anyone. It's just not going to happen.
 
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crusse10 said:
Removing him for a lateral move is a short-sighted only done to appease people who verbally want a change. It's got no positive.
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HC with a career losing record.

HC with a career winning record.

There would be 50+ coaches whow would fit into the 2nd group. They may not be named Gruden, but they have shown the ability to WIN. You call it lateral move, I call it proven winning record.
 
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crusse10 said:
I consider a lateral move as a move where we hire someone with a contract similar to that of Dooley. Hiring someone for $2mil is a move that helps Tennessee none. It just adds to our deficit, makes players leave, and continues the notion that we aren't committed to doing what we need to do to make the team better. Appeasing the masses by making a move that hurts the team is pointless and I hope our administration is smarter than the idiots wanting a move for no reason but the aforementioned shiggles.
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Are you sure players do not leave if Dooley is retained?
 
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crusse10 said:
I consider a lateral move as a move where we hire someone with a contract similar to that of Dooley. Hiring someone for $2mil is a move that helps Tennessee none. It just adds to our deficit, makes players leave, and continues the notion that we aren't committed to doing what we need to do to make the team better. Appeasing the masses by making a move that hurts the team is pointless and I hope our administration is smarter than the idiots wanting a move for no reason but the aforementioned shiggles.
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That's a random sort of criteria. I agree that UT should be willing to spend until it hurts in order to get a winner, but if we can't land that perfect guy, there's no shame in just finding a guy who has had success everywhere he has been.

Think about it. Who was Mark Richt before Georgia hired him? Who was Nick Saban when LSU hired him? Who was Biran Kelly before Notre Dame? None of them were considered slam dunks at the time. Most schools hire coaches that aren't slam dunks. But their ADs are supposed to do their homework and interview these guys and make a judgement about their make-up and potential and hire the guy who is right for their school and can succeed there.

Essentially, UT fans are giving Hart a pass on all this. They just want him to hire the guy who anyone with half a brain can tell is a monster hire. Well, yeah, that would be great. But that rarely happens. Hart needs to be able to research the prospects, interview, and find the winner we need (and convince them to come here). That's his job. Maybe its Sonny Dykes. Maybe its Mark Hudspeth. Maybe its Bud Foster. I don't know. But Hart gets paid to know. It is his job to find out. All I know is that it isn't Dooley. Anyone can see that.
 
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crusse10 said:
I consider a lateral move as a move where we hire someone with a contract similar to that of Dooley. Hiring someone for $2mil is a move that helps Tennessee none. It just adds to our deficit, makes players leave, and continues the notion that we aren't committed to doing what we need to do to make the team better. Appeasing the masses by making a move that hurts the team is pointless and I hope our administration is smarter than the idiots wanting a move for no reason but the aforementioned shiggles.
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What the masses want is a proper coaching search to find a qualified candidate. I cant ask for anything more or less. We all know that was not done last time.
 
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I believe we have a better team with better leadership than we did in Fulmer's last year, and that's thanks to Kiffin and Dooley. I think that next year will, if the players are retained, will be a double-digit win season, with losses only to Oregon, Florida, and Alabama. The fact that Dooley can win 8 games this season, build toward next season, and get removed for a new guy who isn't a legitimate upgrade is mindblowing.
 
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crusse10 said:
I believe we have a better team with better leadership than we did in Fulmer's last year, and that's thanks to Kiffin and Dooley. I think that next year will, if the players are retained, will be a double-digit win season, with losses only to Oregon, Florida, and Alabama. The fact that Dooley can win 8 games this season, build toward next season, and get removed for a new guy who isn't a legitimate upgrade is mindblowing.
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That is where your not getting it. Who isn't a legitimate upgrade? He is a career losing coach. Sure, Joker would not be a good option. ANY coach who has won more games than he has lost would be an upgrade. If he has done so in the SEC, BIG10, PAC10, or BIG12 he would be a huge upgrade. It's not hard to understand.
 
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crusse10 said:
I believe we have a better team with better leadership than we did in Fulmer's last year, and that's thanks to Kiffin and Dooley. I think that next year will, if the players are retained, will be a double-digit win season, with losses only to Oregon, Florida, and Alabama. The fact that Dooley can win 8 games this season, build toward next season, and get removed for a new guy who isn't a legitimate upgrade is mindblowing.
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Dooley has shown no ability to beat anyone. Three years without a win against a ranked team is pretty damning. This team is extremely experienced and yet sits at 3-5 with no wins worth bragging about. And if we win out we still won't have any wins worth a damn. I see no reason to believe that we'll jump from the level of Vandy this season to the level of LSU next season if Dooley is retained.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
That is where your not getting it. Who isn't a legitimate upgrade? He is a career losing coach. Sure, Joker would not be a good option. ANY coach who has won more games than he has lost would be an upgrade. If he has done so in the SEC, BIG10, PAC10, or BIG12 he would be a huge upgrade. It's not hard to understand.
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Why is his percentage below .500? Because of where he coached and the situations in which he coached. He took over a 3-10 Louisiana Tech team and a 7-6 Tennessee team decimated by Fulmer. If he had a team that was built to compete with the teams he's coaching against, he would be successful. The progression from last year to this year points toward next year being the year to start beating teams we weren't supposed to win this year.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
Dooley has shown no ability to beat anyone. Three years without a win against a ranked team is pretty damning. This team is extremely experienced and yet sits at 3-5 with no wins worth bragging about. And if we win out we still won't have any wins worth a damn. I see no reason to believe that we'll jump from the level of Vandy this season to the level of LSU next season if Dooley is retained.
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Compared to the last 2 years, of the 5 losses this year, how many times were we actually competitive until the end of the game? 3 (4 if you count Florida). I think we've made great strides toward being a team that can win those next year.
 
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crusse10 said:
Why is his percentage below .500? Because of where he coached and the situations in which he coached. He took over a 3-10 Louisiana Tech team and a 7-6 Tennessee team decimated by Fulmer. If he had a team that was built to compete with the teams he's coaching against, he would be successful. The progression from last year to this year points toward next year being the year to start beating teams we weren't supposed to win this year.
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Yes, your right. He took over a 3 win Tech team and left it a 4 win Tech team. That IS my point. He took over a 7 win UT team and has had 2 losing seasons. 0-5 AGAIN to start this year in the SEC. Better? If you say so.
 
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crusse10 said:
Compared to the last 2 years, of the 5 losses this year, how many times were we actually competitive until the end of the game? 3 (4 if you count Florida). I think we've made great strides toward being a team that can win those next year.
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I agree with you on 1 thing. We could win those games next year. With a new coach.
 
#100
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crusse10 said:
Prove to me that Sunseri is a bad coach. Prove to me that the issues that have arisen are based on strategies, not on the skill set of the players in conjunction with the newness of the defensive 3-4 scheme.

Given the maturation of our defense going into next year, combined with what should be a seemingly unstoppable offense (assuming they return), there's no reason to believe that we won't be elite next year. Adding a coach who deserves a $2mil salary just because you think that'll fix something, however, will push the players we have toward the draft and ruin any chance at a successful season next year.

Is Dooley a great coach? No. Does adding another not-great coach help our team based solely on the fact that he's also not Dooley? No. It hurts our team, it hurts our recruiting, and it hurts our budget. There is no positive to having a different coach just to say, "hey, at least he's not Dooley."
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Good coaches adjust to their players during Spring in Fall practice and 8 weeks worth of regular season practice.

8 weeks into the season and we are still lamenting "communication issues".

Good coaches adjust to what other teams are doing.

Inside passes such as slants has killed this team all season.

Good coaches teach their players how to tackle and get into the proper pursuit angles and position to make tackles.

Every week, we make another team's highlight reels.

You can see improvement in the players and overall performance from game 1 to game 2 to game 8 with a good coach.

Sunseri has done NONE of these things. Not one.

And spare the lamentations on how terrible the players are, almost every single defensive starter is a Dooley recruit.

Lathers and Waggner are the only holdovers in the starting lineup.

Try watching a game occasionally, it helps.
 
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