This whole "if we don't land a home run, we should keep Dooley" thing

#51
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LebanonVolunteer said:
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Keeping Dooley would be no different than having 25000 gallons of gasoline dumped onto Neyland Stadium from a plane and then setting it ablaze.

If Hart has decided winning is no longer important, just announce that to the fans/public so we can stop caring about the direction of this program. If we go into 2013 with Derek Dooley, this team will quit before the 3rd game of the year. Imagine the coach you can attract then, another losing season, players quitting, and fans not showing up. Waiting is even more a roll of the dice.
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Dooley will be out mid-season if Hart sticks with him next year.
 
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crusse10 said:
Thanks to the years from 2005 to the present, we are Vandy. We have to look at in-game improvements and understand that getting back from the mess that Phil left requires baby steps. Last year was bad. This year is better. The team is clearly on pace to decimate Troy this week, run and throw past Missouri, pound it against Vandy, and crush Kentucky, the worst team in the SEC. We are the lower part of the middle of the pack right now, but we aren't at the bottom. Hiring someone else to achieve the same results is pointless. It puts us in debt and changes nothing on the field. Hiring a $4mil+ guy changes it completely.
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THIS - we already have a 7-5, 6-6 guy why hire another one?
 
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1974Vol said:
IMHO You don’t fire Dooley until the end of the regular season and you don’t do it then if you don’t have someone really good already lined up. That doesn’t have to be Gruden or a "Home Run" hire, but it needs to be someone with a proven HC record in an AC conference, preferably the SEC, or the NFL. If all you can get is another “up and coming coordinator” or an HC from a lower tier league you may as well stick with DD until you can get a true upgrade.

As for those of you who say it can’t get worse, so just fire DD, because anyone is better; watch what happens with another “on the job trainee” guy with another whole new staff and system and hide a watch as the Vols go “Auburn” on us. Just saying….
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Muschamp was unproven. He was an "on the job trainee". His 17 point win over our Vols looked pretty solid.

Sumlin was a small school coach until A&M hired him. "His offense will never work". "He is a product of Keenan". Well, he seems to be doing alright.

Ole Miss hired a small time coach in HF, he seems to be doing better than expected.

Arkansas is looked at as a laughing stock this year. They are currently 3-5 and have 2 SEC wins. JLS is a wreck, and is very similar to Derek Dooley.

Dan Mullen was a questionable hire for MSU. He went 5-7 in his 1st year with the toughest schedule in the country. 9-4 w/bowl win, 7-6 w/bowl win, and 7-1 this year. Seems to be doing just fine.

James Franklin at Vandy has made a big difference to that program. Back to back 2-10 seasons before he got there. He will be taking them to back to back bowl games at VANDY. He was an "up and comer".

There are ALOT of options for UT to go into 2013 with a chance to win. Derek Dooley is NOT it.
 
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I was going to start a thread similar to this. The only way the "if we don't land a home run, we should keep Dooley" logic makes sens is if there is good reason to believe the home run is coming next year. Why put off an inevitable coaching change?
 
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tvolsfan said:
I was going to start a thread similar to this. The only way the "if we don't land a home run, we should keep Dooley" logic makes sens is if there is good reason to believe the home run is coming next year. Why put off an inevitable coaching change?
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Because if buying him out costs less later and we can build up a little more capital before then, it'll let that search open up a few more possibilities that may be out of our price range currently.

There will always be middle-of-the-pack guys that we can bring in to replace him. If it's Kirby Smart today, it's a DC from Florida in 2 years. We will always be able to find someone who you don't HAVE to throw money at.
 
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crusse10 said:
Because if buying him out costs less later and we can build up a little more capital before then, it'll let that search open up a few more possibilities that may be out of our price range currently.

There will always be middle-of-the-pack guys that we can bring in to replace him. If it's Kirby Smart today, it's a DC from Florida in 2 years. We will always be able to find someone who you don't HAVE to throw money at.
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Lose 15 million dollars in revenue in 2013 to save 1 million dollars on Dooley's buyout. Sounds like a plan!!

There will be no less than 20 coaching changes this year. IF a coach is looking, there will be ALOT of options. Waiting another year would be a crap shoot for UT. Could someone come available? Maybe. Could the pool be even worse as alot of coaches signed multi year deals this year? Yup.
 
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The only way we lose revenue next year is if there's no hype going into it, which is impossible. As long as places like VN exists, UT will make their money.
 
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crusse10 said:
The only way we lose revenue next year is if there's no hype going into it, which is impossible. As long as places like VN exists, UT will make their money.
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You do know UT released it's figures and the revenue numbers were down almost 12 million dollars between 2010 and 2011 right? Expectations does not equal money in the bank when expectations continue to fall short.
 
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Let's all face it, Dooley's Coaching Record and Hot Seat Rumors will kill recruiting....endless circle
Not that Dooley could recruit top talent anyway but now it's even worse
 
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photovol said:
Let's all face it, Dooley's Coaching Record and Hot Seat Rumors will kill recruiting....endless circle
Not that Dooley could recruit top talent anyway but now it's even worse
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I do think recruiting could fall apart before NSD. Granted, it is not very good now. When your class is mostly 3 star talent, your not going to take out very many 5 star stocked teams.

"We don't have the talent of the better teams".
Not sure stocking up on 2-3 star kids is going to fix that.
 
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photovol said:
Let's all face it, Dooley's Coaching Record and Hot Seat Rumors will kill recruiting....endless circle
Not that Dooley could recruit top talent anyway but now it's even worse
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It would not be any worse than if we hire some up and comer. This program needs a splash to show we are serious and want to win.

Can't take another chance when you have millions of $$ involved.
 
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hog88 said:
It would not be any worse than if we hire some up and comer. This program needs a splash to show we are serious and want to win.

Can't take another chance when you have millions of $$ involved.
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Yes it would. Much worse, actually. The reason why recruits are avoiding Tennessee isn't because of the coach himself, but the perception that he's a lame duck. The hiring of a new guy offers stability, and that alone goes a long way.
 
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I would think that if a coaching change is made it would help recruiting from the aspect that the recruit would know who his HC would be for at least 3 years. If Dooley can flop for 3 years, the next guy will get at least that.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I was going to start a thread similar to this. The only way the "if we don't land a home run, we should keep Dooley" logic makes sens is if there is good reason to believe the home run is coming next year. Why put off an inevitable coaching change?
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Wasn't that the reason Hart put off the firing after the KY loss because THIS year we had a better chance at getting a coach. Next year is here folks!!!
 
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crusse10 said:
Do you not agree that the team as a whole is markedly better than last year? Do you not agree that the team has clearly trended up? Do you not agree that the transition to a base 3-4 defense takes time and that, given the opportunity, Sal would have the D working properly by next year?

Given the trend from last year to this year, and understanding that changing an entire defense takes more than a year, I would venture to say that next year's team would be far better than we are now. The offense, which I now believe only stays with Dooley or a $4mil+ coach, will be even more efficient. The defense will be fully transitioned and properly trained. We will be on the level of the Floridas, Georgias, and South Carolinas of the college football world.

One name I wouldn't mind seeing looked at is Dom Capers.
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Given the Bray and Hunter injuries and their returns, there was no reason this offense shouldn't look better than last season.

You'd think that adding a decent d lineman like McCullers, getting Lather's back, along with adding some depth would have improved the defense as well.

Instead, Dooley decides to try and be more like the big boys by going to a 3-4 and hires one of the absolute worst DC's this program has seen in it's history to implement it.

There is nothing, absolutely nothing to point to that indicates "Sal would have the D working properly by next year".
 
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Throw me in on this group. If you can't get a big name that's an OBVIOUS upgrade (that means 90% of the fanbase) than Dooley should stick around until we can. It's a real simple idea and I think if you want to fire Dooley for sh!t$ and giggles than your the idiot.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Given the Bray and Hunter injuries and their returns, there was no reason this offense shouldn't look better than last season.

You'd think that adding a decent d lineman like McCullers, getting Lather's back, along with adding some depth would have improved the defense as well.

Instead, Dooley decides to try and be more like the big boys by going to a 3-4 and hires one of the absolute worst DC's this program has seen in it's history to implement it.

There is nothing, absolutely nothing to point to that indicates "Sal would have the D working properly by next year".
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Prove to me that Sunseri is a bad coach. Prove to me that the issues that have arisen are based on strategies, not on the skill set of the players in conjunction with the newness of the defensive 3-4 scheme.

Given the maturation of our defense going into next year, combined with what should be a seemingly unstoppable offense (assuming they return), there's no reason to believe that we won't be elite next year. Adding a coach who deserves a $2mil salary just because you think that'll fix something, however, will push the players we have toward the draft and ruin any chance at a successful season next year.

Is Dooley a great coach? No. Does adding another not-great coach help our team based solely on the fact that he's also not Dooley? No. It hurts our team, it hurts our recruiting, and it hurts our budget. There is no positive to having a different coach just to say, "hey, at least he's not Dooley."
 
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Nashvol2 said:
Throw me in on this group. If you can't get a big name that's an OBVIOUS upgrade (that means 90% of the fanbase) than Dooley should stick around until we can. It's a real simple idea and I think if you want to fire Dooley for sh!t$ and giggles than your the idiot.
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I literally just typed the word "shiggles" for my other post, then deleted it.
 
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crusse10 said:
Prove to me that Sunseri is a bad coach. Prove to me that the issues that have arisen are based on strategies, not on the skill set of the players in conjunction with the newness of the defensive 3-4 scheme. It's not like we only have a bunch of Dooleys to choose from.

Given the maturation of our defense going into next year, combined with what should be a seemingly unstoppable offense (assuming they return), there's no reason to believe that we won't be elite next year. Adding a coach who deserves a $2mil salary just because you think that'll fix something, however, will push the players we have toward the draft and ruin any chance at a successful season next year.

Is Dooley a great coach? No. Does adding another not-great coach help our team based solely on the fact that he's also not Dooley? No. It hurts our team, it hurts our recruiting, and it hurts our budget. There is no positive to having a different coach just to say, "hey, at least he's not Dooley."
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Stop acting like any of the coaching candidates out there are definitively "not great". You have no way of proving that whatsoever. All of them have positive attributes that give them realistic chances to be successful hires.

If it was nearly as impossible for up and comers to be successful as some of you are making them it to be, I guess there won't be a single good coach in existence 30 years from now.

And it absolutely does not hurt recruiting. What hurts recruiting is having a coach who recruits can't trust to stick around by the time they actually see the field. Stability helps recruiting far more than instability. Our budget? Look at how much attendance and revenue has tanked in the last few years.
 
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crusse10 said:
Prove to me that Sunseri is a bad coach. Prove to me that the issues that have arisen are based on strategies, not on the skill set of the players in conjunction with the newness of the defensive 3-4 scheme.

Given the maturation of our defense going into next year, combined with what should be a seemingly unstoppable offense (assuming they return), there's no reason to believe that we won't be elite next year. Adding a coach who deserves a $2mil salary just because you think that'll fix something, however, will push the players we have toward the draft and ruin any chance at a successful season next year.

Is Dooley a great coach? No. Does adding another not-great coach help our team based solely on the fact that he's also not Dooley? No. It hurts our team, it hurts our recruiting, and it hurts our budget. There is no positive to having a different coach just to say, "hey, at least he's not Dooley."
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3rd and goal from the 26. Sal calls a one deep set and puts his other safety in the box. Like spurrier is going to just settle for the field goal and just run since it's so out of reach. He's made terrible calls like that all year. Good coaching staffs coach to the players they have and recruit to install their system. They don't just shove players into a new system and hope for the best while continuing to lose and regress. They shouldn't have sold they're souls for the 3-4 right off the bat, because the devil that is the SEC came for it's due.
 
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UTRavens said:
Stop acting like any of the coaching candidates out there are definitively "not great". You have no way of proving that whatsoever. All of them have positive attributes that give them realistic chances to be successful hires.

If it was nearly as impossible for up and comers to be successful as some of you are making them it to be, I guess there won't be a single good coach in existence 30 years from now.

And it absolutely does not hurt recruiting. What hurts recruiting is having a coach who recruits can't trust to stick around by the time they actually see the field. Stability helps recruiting far more than instability. Our budget? Look at how much attendance and revenue has tanked in the last few years.
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Why can Dooley not be successful next year with a senior-laden team that will have perfected the defense?
 
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crusse10 said:
Why can Dooley not be successful next year with a senior-laden team that will have perfected the defense?
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Because his teams almost always underachieves in big games. Because it seems like he never has control of our undisciplined team on or off the field. Because going 0-14 against ranked teams is nearly impossible even for a lower tier SEC team, and clearly indicates it's more than a talent problem. Because even his most ardent supporters never actually mention any accomplishments on his part, and only resort to saying "why not? and "give him time".

And what happens after 2013, when the seniors are gone? Is the team going to tank again? You make it sound like Dooley needs perfect conditions to have a good season. Well, even Shula had his one big year. Does that offset his other failures?
 
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