This whole "if we don't land a home run, we should keep Dooley" thing

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This is funny. Forget Fulmer's record, and Dooley's record. Just answer this simple question, now...be honest.

If you had your own team and you could hire Fulmer or Dooley and that was it, no staff, which one would you hire. Dooley 2012 or Fulmer 2012. Which one could coach the big men? Which one could teach the offense to the team? Which one could actually call the plays? How 'bout Special Teams?

Dooley has more in common with Joker Phillips than he does Fulmer. I've spent alot of time traveling and I always love that look of confusion and fear when a tourist is trying to figure out which train to take in NY. That's exactly how Dooley looks on the field.
 
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WOW! How anyone can defend Dooley is mind blowing. His record alone should close the book on his head coaching career.
 

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When it all comes down to it...the "decision makers" with the deep pockets are not going to continue to see our prideful program run straight into the ground, just like it has for the last few years. People on here think we can't get the homerun hire, C'MON MAN! Does anyone know how Bama got Saban? Nevermind, I will remind you! They made up their mind who they wanted and did whatever they had to do to get him. If anybody thinks that our "decision makers" can't or won't go that route...think again! We are TENNESSE!
 
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vol66 said:
This is funny. Forget Fulmer's record, and Dooley's record. Just answer this simple question, now...be honest.

If you had your own team and you could hire Fulmer or Dooley and that was it, no staff, which one would you hire. Dooley 2012 or Fulmer 2012. Which one could coach the big men? Which one could teach the offense to the team? Which one could actually call the plays? How 'bout Special Teams?

Dooley has more in common with Joker Phillips than he does Fulmer. I've spent alot of time traveling and I always love that look of confusion and fear when a tourist is trying to figure out which train to take in NY. That's exactly how Dooley looks on the field.
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I mean...I can't say I'd take Fulmer. Nobody else does, so why should I? Fulmer proves that he can't commit to quarterbacks, which Dooley does. Fulmer proved that he didn't care to recruit important needs, which Dooley does. Fulmer proved that he couldn't coach Special Teams, which Dooley does (the first kickoff returned for a touchdown since like 02). And be honest, Fulmer looked like a trainwreck during his last few years.

I'd take Dooley. He actually coaches. Fulmer sits by while a future NFL player gets his 4th alcohol related citation, a hit and run DUI.
 
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ALLVOL 4LIFE said:
When it all comes down to it...the "decision makers" with the deep pockets are not going to continue to see our prideful program run straight into the ground, just like it has for the last few years. People on here think we can't get the homerun hire, C'MON MAN! Does anyone know how Bama got Saban? Nevermind, I will remind you! They made up their mind who they wanted and did whatever they had to do to get him. If anybody thinks that our "decision makers" can't or won't go that route...think again! We are TENNESSE!
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*Tennessee
 
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crusse10 said:
I mean...I can't say I'd take Fulmer. Nobody else does, so why should I? Fulmer proves that he can't commit to quarterbacks, which Dooley does. Fulmer proved that he didn't care to recruit important needs, which Dooley does. Fulmer proved that he couldn't coach Special Teams, which Dooley does (the first kickoff returned for a touchdown since like 02). And be honest, Fulmer looked like a trainwreck during his last few years.

I'd take Dooley. He actually coaches. Fulmer sits by while a future NFL player gets his 4th alcohol related citation, a hit and run DUI.
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You have been abused in this discussion so I will not pile on any more. Just 1 last thing. Fulmer was considered one of the best recruiters in the country for about 15 years. Yes, his last couple years he fell off. Dooley is not even close. Dooley coaches special teams huh? That would explain the kicking game I guess.

I'm done. :eek:lol:
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
You have been abused in this discussion so I will not pile on any more. Just 1 last thing. Fulmer was considered one of the best recruiters in the country for about 15 years. Yes, his last couple years he fell off. Dooley is not even close. Dooley coaches special teams huh? That would explain the kicking game I guess.

I'm done. :eek:lol:
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You can't coach the health of a kicker, but if you want talk about the kicking game, we're 11 of 13. I don't see too much of a problem. I was asked who I want now, and in the "what have you done for me lately" attitude of sports, the answer is that Dooley has coached while Fulmer sat on his fat ass collecting undeserved checks.
 
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crusse10 said:
I mean...I can't say I'd take Fulmer. Nobody else does, so why should I? Fulmer proves that he can't commit to quarterbacks, which Dooley does. Fulmer proved that he didn't care to recruit important needs, which Dooley does. Fulmer proved that he couldn't coach Special Teams, which Dooley does (the first kickoff returned for a touchdown since like 02). And be honest, Fulmer looked like a trainwreck during his last few years.

I'd take Dooley. He actually coaches. Fulmer sits by while a future NFL player gets his 4th alcohol related citation, a hit and run DUI.
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Wow!

Fulmer never had a 3 year run of pi$$ poor special teams like this. Are you kidding me? The good news is Dooley got CP, but that ain't coaching. The specialists have not improved at all, zero, nada.

I don't even understand the "Committ to a QB" comment. Seemed pretty committed to Tee Martin.

If I give you that he fell off in recruiting in the latter years and he still went 1-4 against Saban. How many years will we have to keep Dooley around for him to beat Saban, you know, now that Dooley's racking up all these 4 and 5 stars and all?

Fulmer played at the University of Tennessee. He coached lineman. He was an OC and he was a HC. He brought us a National title and if your gonna call him out for poor recruiting at the end, then you have to give him credit for the recruiting in the 90's.

Fulmer's forgotten more football than Dooley will ever know. When Dooley amasses 100 more wins than losses I'll come back and eat crow, lol.

No knock on coach Dooley, I'll take Fulmer and his diminished last 4 years over our current coach. I don't know how Fulmer would fare over the new breed, but he'd beat a Dooley coached team, not because he's so much better, but because Dooley finds the most INconceivable way to lose.

Fulmer was 44-37 against ranked foes. What's Dooley's record?
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Will Muschamp was Kirby Smart just a couple years ago. Tubberville only makes 2 million a year at his current position. I think 3 would get him to Knoxville. Stoops would require 5 million at least as he is paid over 4 now. Petrino would listen to anything over 2.5, there are alot of options out there. Coaches with winning records are not hard to find. ANY of them would be an inprovement and a smarter choice than just riding it out with a career loser. If no Gruden, then just keep Dooley is a response from fans who have been brain washed by all the losing. It's ok guys, winning is alright. I promise.
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Yep. It just goes to show you how much people hate change. Even if they are losing.
 
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crusse10 said:
You can't coach the health of a kicker, but if you want talk about the kicking game, we're 11 of 13. I don't see too much of a problem. I was asked who I want now, and in the "what have you done for me lately" attitude of sports, the answer is that Dooley has coached while Fulmer sat on his fat ass collecting undeserved checks.
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So you like the first two punts in last weeks game, huh? 6 yards. It's a disgrace. Cafego is rolling in his grave.
 
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crusse10 said:
how were the rest of the punts?
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What kind of logic is that? For a 3rd year kicker it ought to be automatic AND IT IS SO OBVIOUS WHAT IS WRONG or am I the only one seeing Coiner and Dooley stratergizing on the sidelines.:eek:lol:
 
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vol66 said:
Wow!

Fulmer never had a 3 year run of pi$$ poor special teams like this. Are you kidding me? The good news is Dooley got CP, but that ain't coaching. The specialists have not improved at all, zero, nada.

I don't even understand the "Committ to a QB" comment. Seemed pretty committed to Tee Martin.

If I give you that he fell off in recruiting in the latter years and he still went 1-4 against Saban. How many years will we have to keep Dooley around for him to beat Saban, you know, now that Dooley's racking up all these 4 and 5 stars and all?

Fulmer played at the University of Tennessee. He coached lineman. He was an OC and he was a HC. He brought us a National title and if your gonna call him out for poor recruiting at the end, then you have to give him credit for the recruiting in the 90's.

Fulmer's forgotten more football than Dooley will ever know. When Dooley amasses 100 more wins than losses I'll come back and eat crow, lol.

No knock on coach Dooley, I'll take Fulmer and his diminished last 4 years over our current coach. I don't know how Fulmer would fare over the new breed, but he'd beat a Dooley coached team, not because he's so much better, but because Dooley finds the most INconceivable way to lose.

Fulmer was 44-37 against ranked foes. What's Dooley's record?
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Fulmer amassed his wins when the SEC was nothing in comparison to the current state of the conference.
The committing to a QB thing refers to the 05 carousel with Ainge and Clausen and the 08 carousel with Crompton and Stephens (with a Boleman cameo thrown in). Those were the worst decisions ever. Name a quarterback before the season and stick with him. 2 quarterback systems (at least when both are the same style) fail, and it was no different for Phil.
The Saban team that Fulmer beat is nothing compared to the Saban team Dooley competes with now. Fulmer would be hoping that Saban took it easy on him.
What was Fulmer's record against ranked foes over his last 4 years? I highlight those because going into 05, we were a preseason top 5 team and instead, we went 5-6. That seems like a good place to start showing his demise.
 
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vol66 said:
What kind of logic is that? For a 3rd year kicker it ought to be automatic AND IT IS SO OBVIOUS WHAT IS WRONG or am I the only one seeing Coiner and Dooley stratergizing on the sidelines.:eek:lol:
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A 3rd year kicker who just assumed punting duties? I'd like to hear how the rest of his kicks were.
 
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What you refer to as the carousel mirrors the departure on two different occasions of David Cutcliffe. Loyalty was as big a part of his downfall as his recruiting. He stuck it out with Randy Sanders. You are talking about a 4 year period in which Sanders would be fired, Cutcliffe would return to leave again, and the complete undoing of the offense by Clawson. The fact that we didn't have one QB both of those times falls on the OC and the QB coach. Cutcliffe figured it out and so did Kiffin(crompton).All the HC can do is take advice and make a change when he feels it's right.

05 is a good time because up until then, Fulmer had won at least 8 games every year. That's why. Cut returned in 06-07 and we won 9 and 10 games. Fulmer's demise is in direct correlation with the high standards he took the program too. Cutcliffe had a huge role with the QB's ( I often wonder how Bray would look), and parents like the Mannings wanted their sons to play for him. Fulmer lost a lot the times cut left and like Dooley he made a bad hire at a time he could least afford it.

Over that 4 year stretch Fulmer went 29-21 17-15 in the conference and a tie for 1st place in the East in 07. The worst 4 years of fulmer's stretch and look at what Dooley would have to do in his fourth year to better that. The best he could do this year is end up 19-19, so he'd need to win 10 games next year to equal Fulmer's worst 4 year stretch and with the schedule...As for the ranked teams over that time Fulmer went 7-14. Dooley as we all know is 0-15.
 
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crusse10 said:
A 3rd year kicker who just assumed punting duties? I'd like to hear how the rest of his kicks were.
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I'm sure you'll be able to tell me, I shut my eyes and pray in just about every kicking situation. I honestly don't know what the yardage is, but I know this...I bet it got alot better when the coaches said "Just let him boot it, he can't pooch one in the corner." It only took two bad ones for them to make their minds up and that's one too many.
 
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vol66 said:
What you refer to as the carousel mirrors the departure on two different occasions of David Cutcliffe. Loyalty was as big a part of his downfall as his recruiting. He stuck it out with Randy Sanders. You are talking about a 3 year period in which Sanders would be fired, Cutcliffe would return to leave again, and the complete undoing of the offense by Clawson. The fact that we didn't have one QB both of those times falls on the OC and the QB coach. Cutcliffe figured it out and so did Kiffin(crompton).All the HC can do is take advice and make a change when he feels it's right.

05 is a good time because up until then, Fulmer had won at least 8 games every year. That's why. Cut returned in 06-07 and we won 9 and 10 games. Fulmer's demise is in direct correlation with the high standards he took the program too. Cutcliffe had a huge role with the QB's ( I often wonder how Bray would look), and parents like the Mannings wanted their sons to play for him. Fulmer lost a lot the times cut left and like Dooley he made a bad hire at a time he could least afford it.

Over that 4 year stretch Fulmer went 29-21 17-15 in the conference and a tie for 1st place in the East in 07. The worst 4 years of fulmer's stretch and look at what Dooley would have to do in his fourth year to better that. The best he could do this year is end up 19-19, so he'd need to win 10 games next year to equal Fulmer's worst 4 year stretch and with the schedule...As for the ranked teams over that time Fulmer went 8-13. Dooley as we all know is 0-15.
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Fulmer took a consensus preseason #3 team in 2005 and, over 4 years, shat the bed like I've never seen. Maybe it just hurts me even more because 2005 was my freshman year at UT...I don't know. I just can't forgive him for what he did to our beloved team during the end of his tenure. It was a damn disgrace that culminated with a loss to Wyoming in front of no fans, thanks in part to the dumbass idea that Nick Stephens should have taken snaps over Jonathan Crompton.
 
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I understand that and knowing that's when you were a frosh makes it more understandable. You only know the good times. I grew up watching Bill Battle, then Majors, the Fulmer etc...The highs of the Fulmer years are going to be hard to duplicate.

Looking at that 05 season,it looks similar to today. Florida was ranked 6th. LSU was ranked 4th. Georgia and Alabama were both ranked 5th when UT played them.That's as strong a schedule as this year w/o SC and the 05 team played #8 Notre Dame. That's 5 top ten teams.

We lost to the Gators by 9.

We upset #4 LSU by 3 in OT.

We lost to UGA by 13, UGA was favored.

We lost to Bama by 3, to unranked uSC by 1.

Got Beat by #8 ND, by then we'd fallen out of the ranks...with a loss to Vandy that would come later.

As for Wyoming I will always blame that loss on Hamilton, the Administration and the boosters. No one will ever change my mind about that, it was a rotten, classless thing to do.
 
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vol66 said:
I understand that and knowing that's when you were a frosh makes it more understandable. You only know the good times. I grew up watching Bill Battle, then Majors, the Fulmer etc...The highs of the Fulmer years are going to be hard to duplicate.

Looking at that 05 season,it looks similar to today. Florida was ranked 6th. LSU was ranked 4th. Georgia and Alabama were both ranked 5th when UT played them.That's as strong a schedule as this year w/o SC and the 05 team played #8 Notre Dame. That's 5 top ten teams.

We lost to the Gators by 9.

We upset #4 LSU by 3 in OT.

We lost to UGA by 13, UGA was favored.

We lost to Bama by 3, to unranked uSC by 1.

Got Beat by #8 ND, by then we'd fallen out of the ranks...with a loss to Vandy that would come later.
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and it just went horribly down from there
 
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crusse10 said:
and it just went horribly down from there
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We went 19-8 the next two seasons...6-6 vs. ranked teams...it maybe horrible compared to the rest of Fulmer's tenure, but man...I'd take that in a heart beat over where we are now. I think I'm like most folks, I wanted dooley to do well and he has in some ways, as you mentioned, we're not contending for the Fulmer Cup anymore.

I just don't see it on the field and this is not the place for on the job training. JMO.
 
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crusse10 said:
Based on how we've gained ground on those teams from last year to this year, I disagree. Would I rather have a coach who deserves a salary that turn heads? Certainly. But if we can't get someone for that, then we're spinning our wheels in the mud by making a change.
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We have gained ground on most of these teams by getting our starting QB back and best WR back, not any drastic leap in improving the quality of overall play for this team.

The backsliding of the defense has more than offset any gains this team has made from last year to this year.

It's inexplicable how anyone can look at this defense and claim it's simply growing pains from a philosophical change and a lack of talent when essentially the same players produced a top 30 defense last season.

Why make that change if you are worried about the talent levels?

Why make that change if what you are doing is good enough to keep you in games given that the offense was obviously going to be better?

I don't buy into conspiracy theories and believe Dooley made the decision to hire Sunseri. Now, he has to live with the repercussions of that decision.
 
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crusse10 said:
A 3rd year kicker who just assumed punting duties? I'd like to hear how the rest of his kicks were.
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He ended up with a 40 yard average which is piss poor for a 3rd year SEC kicker.

11nth in the SEC overall in punting and missed 4 PAT's this season.

This from the number 1 kicker recruit and number 1 punter in the country.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
He ended up with a 40 yard average which is piss poor for a 3rd year SEC kicker.

11nth in the SEC overall in punting and missed 4 PAT's this season.

This from the number 1 kicker recruit and number 1 punter in the country.
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The punter isn't punting right now, the kicker is. And he ended with a 40 yard average, which for a guy who just started punting for the team, isn't too bad
 
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