Official Jon Gruden Thread XXVI

[MattR11]

See this is the problem with you guys. My opinion differs so I gotta leave? Nah.

lol

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

It is major league players competing against a high school team. Many of the boosters earned their money and influence in the free market. They have decades of experience putting together deals, hiring MBB consultants to develop plans, and applying strategic pressure to ensure certain outcomes.

The AA/AD on the other hand do not hire elite people to look at deals, love to hang around yes men, and run from obstacles rather than try to solve them.

It is not a fair fight.

Well, with all due respect, the amateurs seem to have won in 2012, because we got Butch instead of Gruden. I hope the professionals win this time around, because I’m tired of mediocrity.

 

[Hawkpilot]

First off, they are beginning to do this.

Second, don't expect to hear a lot about it. While some teams are beginning to think about their next head coach, few are to the point of thinking about DB or OL coaches on November 1.

I make great gatorade! 😂

 

[Regulator]

Shoop is damaged for sure....worst decision he ever made.

Butch must truly have whatever is the opposite of Midas touch. Shoop was (maybe still is) highly regarded as a defensive mind, but there isn't much to support that notion based on results at UT. Perhaps he hasn't had enough time to fix all the problems he inherited when he came to Knoxville. That's what I find most perplexing. Why has the defense been so bad? Injuries haven't helped, but there should be enough depth on hand to help from that perspective. I know that recruiting rankings aren't infallible and not every 5-star lives up to their ranking, but we seem to have a disproportionally large number of busts in Knoxville on both sides of the ball.

 

[shocka2430]

Well, with all due respect, the amateurs seem to have won in 2012, because we got Butch instead of Gruden. I hope the professionals win this time around, because I’m tired of mediocrity.

Even Kentucky beats Tennessee every once in awhile.


Soon....

 

[sona]

Quick analogy because I love how all this interlaces with my profession..I swear I talk Army more on here than anywhere else. Not sure if that's good or bad

When I'm planning a flight of aircraft to land somewhere high, hot, heavy, hostile, and dark, there are a ton of variables to solve premission, enroute, and landing to the LZ.

Time will VERY rarely cancel a mission. You can push it left or right, or change the route to get there. The route seldom matters as long as it avoids enemy detection and gets you to the right spot. The most important part of any flight...Landing. Safely getting everyone back on the ground and in the right spot to continue the next phase of the mission.

I just thought I'd share. May help explains my addiction to the content as much as the outcome. It's the journey you have to enjoy as much as getting there.

I don't know jack about copters, but I always imagined that the pick up would be the most nerve wracking part of the job. Based wholly on Vietnam film / movies of course! Just seems super intense trying to get our guys out while possibly taking fire.

Glad you fly for the good guys. Tough job.

 

[Kid Deezy]

you were being argumentative when i asked my question (still trying to catch up in the thread). after a while, you had calmed down, and i was thinking you're off the ledge or whatever.

now, i catch up to your response, and you didn't answer the question. why not?

Just drop it guys. Not worth it...

 

[HearForGrumors]

The Clay Travis article about the situation that was linked earlier in this thread specifically calls at Walt Wells for sending Kendrick back in the game.

Well, of course an article would say that. I'm waiting to see something from the investigative side of it. Impartial med staff hired by the SEC is part of the safeguard. It is a liability buffer provided by the SEC and agree upon by the Universities to prevent them being sued by players or families. It would take some pretty aggressive moves by the coaching staff to circumvent that.

I'm all for the result we want, just trying to be level headed and non-inflammatory.

 

[Hawkpilot]

I don't think so. As has been mentioned already, the responsibility for managing concussions is not in the purview of the HC. Now, is the coaching staff responsible for making sure the medical staff has access? Sure.

I just haven't seen any allegations that the coaching staff knew about any issues, or prevented access by medical staff.

Administrative leave for an investigation would only be appropriate in the case of an investigation into wrong doing by an individual. In this case, it is investigation into the circumstances around an alleged fact (a concussion happened) in order to determine wrongdoing by any party.

Clay Travis article..copy/paste

That was because offensive line coach Walt Wells, who multiple sources believe had to know Kendrick was concussed, repeatedly exhorted Kendrick, “We need you to go!” and pointed out that Kendrick’s back up had not made the trip to Lexington.

 

[zydane47]

you were being argumentative when i asked my question (still trying to catch up in the thread). after a while, you had calmed down, and i was thinking you're off the ledge or whatever.

now, i catch up to your response, and you didn't answer the question. why not?

I didn't answer the question cause I don't see how it's relevant to the situation I was asking about which is the whole Butch being fired/concussion issue/back lash.

If I were to say I wanted Gruden here would that change your stance on my questions?

Those are two complete separate issues. I can want Gruden here but I can still have questions about the other situations at hand.

Not trying to be standoffish or anything, just don't see how that has anything to do with my questions

 

[BearCat204]

It's hard to have a decent conversation when everyone is saying stfu and gtfo.

So you come in this thread continually saying people are fos.....then on top of that saying it isn't a personal attack, and now you are saying there cant be decent conversation because everyone is telling you to gtfo. That's a bold strategy

 

[Orange&whitelover]

Someone is going off on Butch and Currie on Paul's show

 

[preacherwebb]

Why does Jimmy post this if there's zero chance?

same reason people try to come in here and rescue us.

 

[I_Bleed_Orange77]

Pro Gruden. Was here in 2012.

I believe pointing out insider information that doesn't match up with reality is not "trying to stir this stuff up".

I don't particularly care to hear anyone's opinion on this, and I don't use this thread as a random chat room.

If we stop caring whether any of the info is actually true, speculation gets posted as fact, and people run with it.

Then, those of us actually trying to deduct real information from what is posted here are unable to do that. Because the only things that get discussed are the things people want to hear.

This is exactly what I'm trying to say as well my friend. But be prepared to be crucified for it.

 

[undertakervol]

Some guy named wardaddy Zach going completely berserk, ballistic, on Currie on Finebaum.

 

[VFLnSFD]

I don't think so. As has been mentioned already, the responsibility for managing concussions is not in the purview of the HC. Now, is the coaching staff responsible for making sure the medical staff has access? Sure.

I just haven't seen any allegations that the coaching staff knew about any issues, or prevented access by medical staff.

Administrative leave for an investigation would only be appropriate in the case of an investigation into wrong doing by an individual. In this case, it is investigation into the circumstances around an alleged fact (a concussion happened) in order to determine wrongdoing by any party.

Okay. I wasn't sure.

 

[TexasVolfan1]

Let's get these afternoon grumors rolling already

 

[BearCat204]

same reason people try to come in here and rescue us.

Let's be honest..........most of us do need a rescue in here lol

 

[Volbrando]

almost time for our 4pm go nuts because something is happening and coming soon but then really doesn't

 

[BearCat204]

This is exactly what I'm trying to say as well my friend. But be prepared to be crucified for it.

Please stop playing the victim role when you initially set the tone

 

[SandoVOL]

finebaum: are you suggesting lane kiffin? Loooool

 

[hog88]

Hard to understand that one for sure.

That's why I don't believe it.

 

[Poppa T]

There is currently a power struggle of sorts in the leadership of the "boosters."
Certain boosters went against the wishes of others in the last coaching hire, as they did not want to give up power.
Feelings we're hurt and new alliances were formed.
I feel like a lot of powerful people have been planning this current situation for the last five years.

That is my thought on this as well. I've worked many deals that took 5 years or more to bring to fruition.

Watching this play out is very interesting. The outcome will tell me if the boosters and UT are as smart as they think they are.

 

[tastycar]

Someone is going off on Butch and Currie on Paul's show

I can't stand that guy...Wardaddy. I don't disagree with some of what he says, but not a good rep for Tennessee fans, imo.

 

[LakeMaryFLVol]

Rucker on with Finebaum at 330ish

Rucker no where near Gruden as possibility camp