Official Jon Gruden Thread XXVI

[HearForGrumors]

If it’s true (as has been rumored here) that Butch and the University have already negotiated a buyout, then looking at the version of Butch’s original contract that is widely available online could very well be a waste of time. A negotiated buyout would, by definition, be a re-negotiation of that original contract, and we would have no way of knowing how the “for cause” (or any other) provisions of the original agreement might be affected. In fact, they could have outright terminated the original contract and entered into an entirely new, short-term agreement.

Negotiating a buyout, while at the same time allowing Butch to continue coaching, presents some fairly tricky problems. This current scenario highlights that very well. For example, if Butch agreed to a reduced, lump sum buyout payment, would the “for cause” provisions apply, such that they could nullify that payment (in the event Butch screwed up during the short-term agreement)? When would the payment be made? Tricky to negotiate, tricky to draft - for both sides.

We may well find out whether the University’s lawyers are worth a damn.

This is all accurate, I agree. I'm not sure that it would be a new short term agreement, or just a modification of the original agreement.

One troubling thing in either case is that contracts are a matter of public record. I haven't bothered to look up what the mandatory timeline for releasing those documents is, but it is very doable.

If I was more invested, a FOIA request for copies of any signed agreements in the last 90 days would be interesting. I'm sure the University would push back and stall (as is their legal right) long enough that it would become moot.

Either way, I cannot imagine a situation where a contract would absolve a duty to act in a certain and expected way (for cause conditions). That would be mindblowingly incompetent on the part of the UT attorneys. So much so that I refuse to acknowledge that possibility.

 

[dyer_maker]

JimmyHyams
Jon Gruden's name will be mentioned for college jobs, but Dan Wolken isn't sure he'd be a good college coach. gridironnow.com/jon-gruden-no-…
Nov 1, 2017 at 2:59 PM

I get all my personal advice from Dan Wolken.

 

[Hawkpilot]

So everything should be finalized by Friday, correct? Just probably won't be announced until a predetermined time?

I don't think you are going to get a date. To many variables

 

[LakeMaryFLVol]

What comes in the 3:00 hour?

 

[sona]

They already are....you won't know it until after the season though.

Interesting to see where they end up. I feel like some of them are going to be worse for wear after coaching with Butch.

 

[Poppa T]

Plausible assumption. IMO

That's all we have, brother. Assumptions and opinions. Some confuse information with facts and get all wigged out.

I like VN because it is a good aggregator of information and opinions. Oh, and the best use of GIFS on the interwebz.

 

[VFL92]

Curious here. When would you expect to see our other coaches putting out feelers? They have to know they won't be working for Butch much longer.

First off, they are beginning to do this.

Second, don't expect to hear a lot about it. While some teams are beginning to think about their next head coach, few are to the point of thinking about DB or OL coaches on November 1.

 

['Boro-vol]

Interesting to see where they end up. I feel like some of them are going to be worse for wear after coaching with Butch.

Shoop is damaged for sure....worst decision he ever made.

 

[LifeisO&W]

JimmyHyams
Jon Gruden's name will be mentioned for college jobs, but Dan Wolken isn't sure he'd be a good college coach. gridironnow.com/jon-gruden-no-…
Nov 1, 2017 at 2:59 PM

Dang, Beaverdamus strikes again.

 

[DuckRiverVol]

It is major league players competing against a high school team. Many of the boosters earned their money and influence in the free market. They have decades of experience putting together deals, hiring MBB consultants to develop plans, and applying strategic pressure to ensure certain outcomes.

The AA/AD on the other hand do not hire elite people to look at deals, love to hang around yes men, and run from obstacles rather than try to solve them.

It is not a fair fight.

This is why I have become comfortable in assuming that the fans get the end result that they want.
We will just have to tough out the when, where, and how of the ending.

 

[BJWeeks]

JimmyHyams
Jon Gruden's name will be mentioned for college jobs, but Dan Wolken isn't sure he'd be a good college coach. gridironnow.com/jon-gruden-no-…
Nov 1, 2017 at 2:59 PM

Remember about 2 weeks ago that Beaver said articles and quotes would come out saying Gruden would not be a good fit in college


SOON!!!!!

 

[Hawkpilot]

JimmyHyams
Jon Gruden's name will be mentioned for college jobs, but Dan Wolken isn't sure he'd be a good college coach. gridironnow.com/jon-gruden-no-…
Nov 1, 2017 at 2:59 PM

As predicted. AGAIN...NOT A TROLL

 

[preacherwebb]

Pro Gruden. Was here in 2012.

I believe pointing out insider information that doesn't match up with reality is not "trying to stir this stuff up".

I don't particularly care to hear anyone's opinion on this, and I don't use this thread as a random chat room.

If we stop caring whether any of the info is actually true, speculation gets posted as fact, and people run with it.

Then, those of us actually trying to deduct real information from what is posted here are unable to do that. Because the only things that get discussed are the things people want to hear.

okay, cool. we're all on the same page then.
so why you being so confrontational?
or am i the only one that perceives this?
if i am, i'll apologize.

 

[HearForGrumors]

Hey HearforGrumors...I have a question. If this investigation is ongoing, wouldn't it stand to reason that Butch would be put on some sort of administrative leave? I'm guessing it would look bad for him to be making the same choices on behalf of the boys this weekend that may have cause Kendrick serious complications last weekend.

I don't think so. As has been mentioned already, the responsibility for managing concussions is not in the purview of the HC. Now, is the coaching staff responsible for making sure the medical staff has access? Sure.

I just haven't seen any allegations that the coaching staff knew about any issues, or prevented access by medical staff.

Administrative leave for an investigation would only be appropriate in the case of an investigation into wrong doing by an individual. In this case, it is investigation into the circumstances around an alleged fact (a concussion happened) in order to determine wrongdoing by any party.

 

[knucklehead_vol]

jimmyhyams
jon gruden's name will be mentioned for college jobs, but dan wolken isn't sure he'd be a good college coach. Gridironnow.com/jon-gruden-no-…
nov 1, 2017 at 2:59 pm

gtfo

 

[revjayp]

Yes it is. I'm amazed everytime I go back.

I’m opening a business there late winter because it’s growing so fast. Had my pick of all of middle TN. You can get really good commercial space in the boro for $15-17/sq ft cheaper than anywhere in Williamson/Davidson county.

 

[Gtown RNG]

I hate to sound like a broken record. But Jesus H. Christ. If you have a problem with that. Stop quoting me. I've never once asked anyone here to do anything else.

What does the “H” stand for heathen?



Edit clarification: I hope it doesn’t stand for heathen...heathen.

 

['Boro-vol]

I’m opening a business there late winter because it’s growing so fast. Had my pick of all of middle TN. You can get really good commercial space in the boro for $15-17/sq ft cheaper than anywhere in Williamson/Davidson county.

Yes you can...it's very business friendly.

 

[bigmac]

has anyone looked in to previous betting lines of other college coaches over the last several years? Makes me wonder if the favorite has always gotten the job.

 

[I_Bleed_Orange77]

Then stop paying attention to it and GTFO.

See this is the problem with you guys. My opinion differs so I gotta leave? Nah.

 

[DuckRiverVol]

I can thoroughly believe that Davenport may be a hold up in all of this. I can also believe that the boosters are savvier than she is.

What bothers is me is why didn't the boosters pull these maneuvers with the previous administrations of the university to prevent the habitual dumpster fire we've experienced over the past decade?

There is currently a power struggle of sorts in the leadership of the "boosters."
Certain boosters went against the wishes of others in the last coaching hire, as they did not want to give up power.
Feelings we're hurt and new alliances were formed.
I feel like a lot of powerful people have been planning this current situation for the last five years.

 

[sona]

Shoop is damaged for sure....worst decision he ever made.

That's a fact. Seems that pretty much everyone gives Franklin the credit for those Ds now.

 

[VolInNorthCack]

So, I typed this up and when i hit "post" it was already 4 pages behind lol...

So hear me out on this and somebody who has more knowledge of the situation please correct me or fill in the pertinent info because I don't know all of the facts in the AJ Johnson thing.

Here goes...

I was listening to a radio show at lunch earlier (Basilio) and there was a caller talking about the AJ Johnson incident a few years ago. He threw out the theory that maybe Butch has some information that he would make public if he was fired disgracefully or his buyout agreement wasn't honored to let him coach out the rest of the season or something (not saying that was the agreement, just in theory).

The caller stated the fact that Butch vehemently denied having any communication with AJ Johnson in the timeline of events shortly after the incident. He then pointed out that the newspaper of record collected the phone records of Butch, AJ, etc. and found that Butch did indeed call AJ 2 minutes after the police called Butch. It was a 4 minute call and could have been a call he made at the direction of the then AD (pure speculation about calling on behalf of the AD).

His point, which at the time I actually laughed out loud to because it just seemed so out there that it couldn't be believable, was that what if this was something that Butch is holding over the AD/University in an effort to "go out as gracefully as possible." I have to say I dismissed it when I first heard it, as impossible. But I haven't been able to stop thinking about it. First it was AJ, then the supposed Mack Crowder incident, then the Hurd lies, now Kendrick... I hate "what ifs," but man, this is tearing up my brain.

What if the altercation Sunday between Butch and Currie had something to do with this. Say Currie was ready to let Butch go after losing to Kentucky and the Kendrick situation. Butch says no, you have to stand by the agreement we made after the UGA game that he gets to finish out the season or else he sings like a canary.

I don't know. I'm just ready to believe anything regarding why this clown is still here. It makes no sense that he is still trotting out there representing our Power T unless he has some kind of leverage.

Again, this is pure conjecture. And someone please set me straight if this is way off base.

Thanks!

M

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Next official visits are November 24 and 25. None until then. None since October 14.

It's pretty bizarre to go 40 days without an OV during the heart of the season.

Hmm...so new coach will be in place by then...

 

['Boro-vol]

has anyone looked in to previous betting lines of other college coaches over the last several years? Makes me wonder if the favorite has always gotten the job.

No...but you sound like the man for the job. Let us know what your results say.

J/k