Will this finally settle the Manning - Brady debate?

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HoptownVol said:
LOL Nice chain of idiotic posts. Brady's job is not to set records, and he rarely had the personnel to allow that anyway. And did you ever think that he was only 3 time All Pro BECAUSE he is a Patriot? Sheez.
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Brady, who some say is GOAT, received ZERO votes 2018 NFL MVP.
Again.
He's the QB of the best team in the NFL.
In the Super Bowl.
Favored.
That he got ZERO NFL MVP votes tells you he's been adjudicated a System QB for a dynasty.
Not GOAT by any metric.
 
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Vol4life2 said:
By the only one that matters - SB wins. FYI-I don’t like him at all but can clearly see he is more than a system QB... but keep making excuses because that’s all that is left.

Geez get over the comparison. Peyton can look his little bro in the eye cause their tied at two.
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SB wins?
Is Marv Fleming -- 5 NFL Championships -- the Greatest Tight End of All Time?
Is Yogi Berra -- 11 World Series Rings -- the Greatest Catcher of All Time?
Is Bill Russell -- 11 NBA Championships -- the Greatest Center of All Time?
 
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Sin City Vol said:
I try and look at what both had to work with, the players around them. Brady has a huge advantage because Bill produced very good defenses in New England. Peyton, I think had a lot better offensive weapons but only had 2 seasons where he had top notch defenses, ironically he won the SB those years. I still give the edge to Brady because he has 5 rings to Manning’s 2. Live Peyton though
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SB Rings? 70 people get SB rings every year.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
SB Rings? 70 people get SB rings every year.
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All 70 don’t play QB and that’s how QBs are judged. I think Marino is the most talented QB in NFL history (passing wise) but he doesn’t even get in the conversation due to his lack of winning. Same goes for Warren Moon.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
I try and look at what both had to work with, the players around them. Brady has a huge advantage because Bill produced very good defenses in New England. Peyton, I think had a lot better offensive weapons but only had 2 seasons where he had top notch defenses, ironically he won the SB those years. I still give the edge to Brady because he has 5 rings to Manning’s 2. Live Peyton though
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I really wish people would stop stating"facts" that are easily disputed by a simple internet search.

Brady absolutely had better defenses on average in NE, but:

2006 when Peyton won his first Super Bowl, Colts were ranked # 23 Defense: 2006 NFL Opposition & Defensive Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com. This actually goes in Peyton's favor so if you're backing him, quote THAT stat instead,

Manning- Years with Top 10 Defenses and no super bowl victory: 2012 Denver Broncos #4 Defense, 2009 Colts #8, 2008 Colts #7, 2005 Colts #2, 2002 Colts #7.

Stats from: 2018 NFL Opposition & Defensive Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com
 
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tennbjj said:
I really wish people would stop stating"facts" that are easily disputed by a simple internet search.

Brady absolutely had better defenses on average in NE, but:

2006 when Peyton won his first Super Bowl, Colts were ranked # 23 Defense: 2006 NFL Opposition & Defensive Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com. This actually goes in Peyton's favor so if you're backing him, quote THAT stat instead,

Manning- Years with Top 10 Defenses and no super bowl victory: 2012 Denver Broncos #4 Defense, 2009 Colts #8, 2008 Colts #7, 2005 Colts #2, 2002 Colts #7.

Stats from: 2018 NFL Opposition & Defensive Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com
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I discussed this earlier in this thread. The Colts defense got hot in the playoffs. Defense wins champions.
 
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spyfish007 said:
I discussed this earlier in this thread. The Colts defense got hot in the playoffs. Defense wins champions.
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No doubt, and the Colt's D were much higher ranked the previous season. Point still stands. No use spouting falsehoods about "only two times Peyton ever had decent defenses when he won a SB" to make a point. Peyton's accomplishments stand on their own without fairy tales
 
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PhoenixAZVol said:
What qb wouldn’t have won with the way the pats defense played today. Brady was awful.
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Does this game really count as a Super Bowl? The team they beat should not even be there.... Worst one I have ever watched on top of that.... not good defense, bad offense... Rams just worse...
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
Does this game really count as a Super Bowl? The team they beat should not even be there.... Worst one I have ever watched on top of that.... not good defense, bad offense... Rams just worse...
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Yeah, we've been a bit spoiled by recent scoring. The NFL will spin this as a defensive struggle, but both offenses looked lackluster. Goff looked terrible, took way too many hits/sacks when he could have just thrown it away.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
Does this game really count as a Super Bowl? The team they beat should not even be there.... Worst one I have ever watched on top of that.... not good defense, bad offense... Rams just worse...
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Yes it should count. Tommy was wonderful. He carried his team to victory. He held the rams to 3 points. Only tommy should get a ring. He called all of the offensive and defensive plays.
 
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PhoenixAZVol said:
Yes it should count. Tommy was wonderful. He carried his team to victory. He held the rams to 3 points. Only tommy should get a ring. He called all of the offensive and defensive plays.
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Does it seem funny that the rams, a team that averaged 40 points all year somehow lays an egg in the Sb against ne. Either belicheat is an absolute genius or there’s still some funny stuff going on.
 
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Then Dak Prescott should have at least made a NFC Championship game. When the Broncos beat Brady senseless in the 16 contest, his OL was a non factor. Patriots were still in the game all the way. Never out of it with Brady.
 
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PhoenixAZVol said:
Does it seem funny that the rams, a team that averaged 40 points all year somehow lays an egg in the Sb against ne. Either belicheat is an absolute genius or there’s still some funny stuff going on.
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Edelman’s on PED’s.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
Brady, who some say is GOAT, received ZERO votes 2018 NFL MVP.
Again.
He's the QB of the best team in the NFL.
In the Super Bowl.
Favored.
That he got ZERO NFL MVP votes tells you he's been adjudicated a System QB for a dynasty.
Not GOAT by any metric.
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Elway and Montana suck per your system.
 
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