Will this finally settle the Manning - Brady debate?

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#827
PhoenixAZVol said:
The only game where he was a difference maker was the Atlanta game. Didn’t do anything special in any of the other ones that any other qb couldnt have. First three all defense. Wow 140 yards in first. Threw two costly interceptions in Seattle game. Defense stole game. Sucked tonight.
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Um no. Brady lit up the legion of boom. The Seattle super bowl was his best performance imo. That 4th quarter Brady was utterly magical.
 
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#828
WiseOlVol said:
By the numbers, he's not great as a passer.
Hold record for post-season Ints. at 34.
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Yup. Not many qbs get away with throwing as many picks as he has and still making it to the Sb. I bet Mahomes wishes he had a great defense to bail him out.
 
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#831
Boston Vol said:
Yeah you’re right his super bowl stats, including tonight are, 65% completion rate, 316 yards per game, 18 touchdowns, six interceptions. Clearly by the numbers, not a great big game quarterback.
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He's 1-3 v PManning in Championship Games.
0-2 v his little brother.
 
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Boston Vol said:
Yeah you’re right his super bowl stats, including tonight are, 65% completion rate, 316 yards per game, 18 touchdowns, six interceptions. Clearly by the numbers, not a great big game quarterback.
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Very average by today’s offensive friendly environment. Comp pct is only high because he throws a lot of 3 yard passes that are low risk.
 
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PhoenixAZVol said:
Wow. They are his 6 rings and only his then?
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Brady got exactly ZERO NFL MVP votes.
Now this is the QB of the league's best team, headed to the SB, favored to win.
Got ZERO. Again.
Only 3 x NFL MVPs in 19 years.
Only 3 x All-Pro in 19 years.
He's regarded as a system QB on a dynasty, not unlike Bart Starr.
Starr 9-1 in post-season, 5-1 in NFL Championship/SB Games.
Brady not GOAT (an individual award) by any metric.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
34 picks in post-season.
An untouchable record.
279 ypg
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Oh no he’s only averaged 279 ypg in the playoffs. He must be really be overrated! Oh, turns out that Peyton “only” averaged 271 ypg in the playoffs. Clearly he must not be a “big game player” either.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
Brady got exactly ZERO NFL MVP votes.
Now this is the QB of the league's best team, headed to the SB, favored to win.
Got ZERO. Again.
Only 3 x NFL MVPs in 19 years.
Only 3 x All-Pro in 19 years.
He's regarded as a system QB on a dynasty, not unlike Bart Starr.
Starr 9-1 in post-season, 5-1 in NFL Championship/SB Games.
Brady not GOAT (an individual award) by any metric.
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Funny how nobody ever calls start the goat when he won 5 titles. He was a system an just like Brady but somehow never got the credit. Maybe he wasn’t pretty enough.
 
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Boston Vol said:
Oh no he’s only averaged 279 ypg in the playoffs. He must be really be overrated! Oh, turns out that Peyton “only” averaged 271 ypg in the playoffs. Clearly he must not be a “big game player” either.
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Manning played last 3 playoff games with a career-ending injury.
Amazing accomplishment.
 
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#845
Is Marv Fleming -- 5 NFL Championships -- the Greatest Tight End of All Time?
Is Yogi Berra -- 11 World Series Rings -- the Greatest Catcher of All Time?
Is Bill Russell -- 11 NBA Championships -- the Greatest Center of All Time?

Being on a Championship Team doesn't make you the best position player in the league.
Exhibit A: Tom Brady.
Played for SB 53 Champions.
Not even 2nd-Team All-Pro.
Got ZERO NFL MVP votes.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
That materially affected his passing stats, or he'd be ahead of Brady in YPG.
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Yes by an average of three and a half yards. So you’re saying the difference between a “big game player” as supposed to a quarterback who isn’t a “big game player” is an average of 3.5 yards?
 
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#848
Brady is so good he makes it look easy, almost effortless. He almost looks lazy were other qbs look nervous as the game gets down to the end. Is Brady THE GOAT? Hard to seriously say otherwise, but that doesn't mean that Peyton or several other greats can't be in the discussion. Carry on....
 
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butchna said:
6 Super Bowl wins...Wikipedia it.
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Lawrence Taylor
Bruce Smith
Reggie White
Deion Sanders
Joe Green
Charles Woodson
Dick Butkus
Ronnie Lott

All of these guys are widely acknowledged as some of the greatest to ever play. But neither of them has as many SBs as Charles Haley. So Haley is the defensive GOAT?
 
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Boston Vol said:
Yes by an average of three and a half yards. So you’re saying the difference between a “big game player” as supposed to a quarterback who isn’t a “big game player” is an average of 3.5 yards?
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Nope. Just saying the Brady's post-season performance, which is all he's known for (if unfairly), is not great by any metric.
 
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