Who will be the qb this year?

[cHiZzLeVOL]

That the point though. The other program that we are competing with, are not stopping trying to recruit and develop better QBs than the ones on their roster, while we are spending all of the time and resources possible, to try to "fix" JG, just to get him to a point of consistent serviceability. It's been detrimental to the development of the entire QB room, and at some point recruits are going to start to notice.

HB was live in the scrimmages, seems like they are trying to develop him quickly with the missed practices in spring and fall due to coronavirus bs.

 

[BeardedVol]

HB was live in the scrimmages, seems like they are trying to develop him quickly with the missed practices in spring and fall due to coronavirus bs.

I hope that's the case. We need a true starting QB that is ready when he steps on the field in the first game of the season, and we need a solid back up if we are ever going to start actually competing for the SEC East and beyond again.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

I hope that's the case. We need a true starting QB that is ready when he steps on the field in the first game of the season, and we need a solid back up if we are ever going to start actually competing for the SEC East and beyond again.

I guess in just 2 weeks we will see what the real situation is.... it’d be nice to get some real info besides these BS reports from sports media.

 

[TrueVolsGBOInsider]

Dunno how that would account for him holding onto the ball for a generation..... you’d think with lackluster o-line play you would get the ball out quicker so you didn’t get killed.

Hard to get any quality ball off when your running for your life

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Hard to get any quality ball off when your running for your life

I think your missing the point. If you are constantly being rushed your brain would tell you hey get rid of the ball faster so you don’t get killed. Not hey hold on to the ball longer even though I know I’m going to get killed.

You can’t blame him holding on to the ball for a generation on a crappy O-line. That wouldn’t equal up. It would equal up if your argument was, he was getting rid of the ball too early and throwing into coverage because of a crappy o-line....

 

[TrueVolsGBOInsider]

That the point though. The other program that we are competing with, are not stopping trying to recruit and develop better QBs than the ones on their roster, while we are spending all of the time and resources possible, to try to "fix" JG, just to get him to a point of consistent serviceability. It's been detrimental to the development of the entire QB room, and at some point recruits are going to start to notice.

I get where your coming from. Although if JP thought we had a better QB on the roster I truly believe he wouldn’t of put so much time into JG. CJP did what he had to do to get the best possible option at QB ready. Even if that meant pissing people off who were on the outside of the program.

 

[TrueVolsGBOInsider]

I think your missing the point. If you are constantly being rushed your brain would tell you hey get rid of the ball faster so you don’t get killed. Not hey hold on to the ball longer even though I know I’m going to get killed.

You can’t blame him holding on to the ball for a generation on a crappy O-line. That wouldn’t equal up. It would equal up if your argument was, he was getting rid of the ball too early and throwing into coverage because of a crappy o-line....

It doesn’t matter what your brain tells you when the timing of the play is thrown off cause your pushed out of the pocket at all times just about. You can say “why doesn’t he just get the ball out sooner”, but if you first have to evade a d lineman and then set your feet to make a throw, it takes a few seconds. Those seconds He had to waste cause of o line misses were when he should of been surveying the d. Which then forces him to throw into tight windows to mAke plays

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

It doesn’t matter what your brain tells you when the timing of the play is thrown off cause your pushed out of the pocket at all times just about. You can say “why doesn’t he just get the ball out sooner”, but if you first have to evade a d lineman and then set your feet to make a throw, it takes a few seconds. Those seconds He had to waste cause of o line misses were when he should of been surveying the d. Which then forces him to throw into tight windows to mAke plays

Yes but that wouldn’t explain last year when he had decent pass protection.

 

[TrueVolsGBOInsider]

Yes but that wouldn’t explain last year when he had decent pass protection.

2019 COLLEGE FOOTBALL OFFENSIVE LINE STATS | Football Outsiders

 

[TrueVolsGBOInsider]

Lack of protection in 2017 was a factor, but not through most of 2018, and relatively none of 2019. Last season especially, he had more than enough time, and for the most part it seemed to just increase the likelihood that he was going to hold the ball too long.

2019 COLLEGE FOOTBALL OFFENSIVE LINE STATS | Football Outsiders


Look at all the SEC teams and see how we stacked up against them

 

[BeardedVol]

2019 COLLEGE FOOTBALL OFFENSIVE LINE STATS | Football Outsiders


Look at all the SEC teams and see how we stacked up against them

At a glance we had a lower passing down sack rate than Florida, and just slightly higher than Georgia, but equal to LSU's.

 

[k-town_king]

That the point though. The other program that we are competing with, are not stopping trying to recruit and develop better QBs than the ones on their roster, while we are spending all of the time and resources possible, to try to "fix" JG, just to get him to a point of consistent serviceability. It's been detrimental to the development of the entire QB room, and at some point recruits are going to start to notice.

We haven't either. I fail to see the point you are trying to make. We got back to back years of big time qb recruits. We have recruited and are developing several qbs.

JG is the best of the bunch right now. You play the best. You don't hope a bad qb ,like BM was last year, will magically get better by forcing playing time.

 

[sjt18]

Hard to get any quality ball off when your running for your life

Well... except your premise and conclusion are both wrong.

When JG started as a RS Fr, he took 30 sacks in 7 games. Behind the same OL, Dormady took 4 or 5 sacks in five games. Too often JG's slow reads led to sacks or dump downs when better plays down field were available if he had seen the play and made a throw on time.

Last year UT was mid-pack in sacks allowed even though JG was next to last among regular starters in the amount of time taken to throw.

The OL has been far from perfect but he has made them look much worse than they actually were. His inability to hit quick throws hurt the run game as well. D's had time to read run first then still fall back in coverage before he made a throw.

 

[BeardedVol]

We haven't either. I fail to see the point you are trying to make. We got back to back years of big time qb recruits. We have recruited and are developing several qbs.

JG is the best of the bunch right now. You play the best. You don't hope a bad qb ,like BM was last year, will magically get better by forcing playing time.

Please. The amount of effort that was poured into JG last off season to try to get him playing like a RS-Junior, was detrimental to the rest of the QB room, and that was evidenced when he was benched by game 4, and we trotted out a true freshman and a sophomore with zero in-game snaps, neither of whom were even remotely prepared to step into the starting role because of the effort expended on trying to get JG ready.

Your revisionist take on history will not lend any credence to your posts.

 

[sjt18]

We haven't either. I fail to see the point you are trying to make.

You wouldn't if you would open your eyes.

We got back to back years of big time qb recruits. We have recruited and are developing several qbs.

Who were those recruits? Shrout was never anything better than a raw talent project. Maurer needed at least a RS year to be ready. Even if HB were the caliber of QB capable of starting as a Fr the lack of spring ball plus issues this fall have left him too far behind.

JG is the best of the bunch right now. You play the best. You don't hope a bad qb ,like BM was last year, will magically get better by forcing playing time.

Yet you think JG will "magically" get better even though he played so poorly last year that the coaches replaced him with Maurer. You keep repeating that Maurer was a "bad" QB. He was not consistent but if you take out his "junk time" in the first couple of games... he wasn't bad in terms of moving the O or stretching the field. He made some bad decisions... but it isn't "magic" to have a young QB make bad decisions then improve when coached up.

 

[sjt18]

That the point though. The other program that we are competing with, are not stopping trying to recruit and develop better QBs than the ones on their roster, while we are spending all of the time and resources possible, to try to "fix" JG, just to get him to a point of consistent serviceability. It's been detrimental to the development of the entire QB room, and at some point recruits are going to start to notice.

Recruiting is a process of relationship development now. With the best recruits and especially QB's, it takes at least a year or two. Jones left that cupboard bare. HB is really the first results of Pruitt's QB recruiting. Shrout and Maurer were both talented but both needed a lot of development.

 

[k-town_king]

Please. The amount of effort that was poured into JG last off season to try to get him playing like a RS-Junior, was detrimental to the rest of the QB room, and that was evidenced when he was benched by game 4, and we trotted out a true freshman and a sophomore with zero in-game snaps, neither of whom were even remotely prepared to step into the starting role because of the effort expended on trying to get JG ready.

You're revisionist take on history will not lend any credence to your posts.

The gave them a look before the season. JG was better. JG was not great so they gave BM a shot. He was as bad as they thought and JG came back and lead us to our winning streak.

You wouldn't if you would open your eyes.

Who were those recruits? Shrout was never anything better than a raw talent project. Maurer needed at least a RS year to be ready. Even if HB were the caliber of QB capable of starting as a Fr the lack of spring ball plus issues this fall have left him too far behind.


Yet you think JG will "magically" get better even though he played so poorly last year that the coaches replaced him with Maurer. You keep repeating that Maurer was a "bad" QB. He was not consistent but if you take out his "junk time" in the first couple of games... he wasn't bad in terms of moving the O or stretching the field. He made some bad decisions... but it isn't "magic" to have a young QB make bad decisions then improve when coached up.

So we have recruited qbs? And they were either not as good as JG or not here last year?

So you agree with me then.

JG has gotten better each year. Numbers don't lie. Higher ypa, better qb rating, more tds each year. More TEAM wins each year he was a part of.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Please. The amount of effort that was poured into JG last off season to try to get him playing like a RS-Junior, was detrimental to the rest of the QB room, and that was evidenced when he was benched by game 4, and we trotted out a true freshman and a sophomore with zero in-game snaps, neither of whom were even remotely prepared to step into the starting role because of the effort expended on trying to get JG ready.

You're revisionist take on history will not lend any credence to your posts.

You are going to change your mind about JG when he lights up South Carolina’s secondary for 147 yards, 1 TD, & 1 pick.

 

[BeardedVol]

The gave them a look before the season. JG was better. JG was not great so they gave BM a shot. He was as bad as they thought and JG came back and lead us to our winning streak.

And which QB got the lion's share of 1st reps in the spring and fall camps, only to be benched by game 4?

You really want to compare JG "not being great" after 9 additional months of 1st team reps, vs Maurer, a true freshman, being chucked into the game because JG is "not being great" as you understatedly described his performance?

 

[sjt18]

The gave them a look before the season. JG was better. JG was not great so they gave BM a shot. He was as bad as they thought and JG came back and lead us to our winning streak.

That's pure horse hooey. You are a fundamentally dishonest person.

So we have recruited qbs? And they were either not as good as JG or not here last year?

Maurer likely would have started the rest of the season had he not gotten injured.... and he was NOT ready. JG was not good. He was so bad they replaced him in the 4th game with a guy who didn't know the O.

So you agree with me then.

They recruited talented projects. Maurer got the nod because he can make plays through improvisation. He showed them he can run around and make some throws when it all breaks down. He wasn't ready to play. You keep avoiding the 800 lb gorilla. The ONLY reason we're having this conversation is that JG has NEVER been an SEC quality starter. No one "hates"him. We just want the Vols to win. We know that doesn't happen without QB play much better and more consistent than anything we've ever seen out of JG.

JG has gotten better each year. Numbers don't lie. Higher ypa, better qb rating, more tds each year. More TEAM wins each year he was a part of.

Yep. So great that he was yanked in the 4th game in favor of a Fr that EVERYONE agrees was not ready to play. He had 3 "good" games last year- USCe, UK, and Mizzou. He stank outright, stats or not, in the first 3, vs UGA, and the last 2. He "managed" and threw a TD that even a walk on could have thrown vs MSU. Everyone saw the Bama game... UT playing good with some momentum. Maurer gets hurt... the game turns in no small measure due to JG's play.

You keep trying to excuse JG by comparing him to a true Fr. Maurer made mistakes along with doing some good things. But he shouldn't be expected to compare to a 4th year Jr.

 

[k-town_king]

And which QB got the lion's share of 1st reps in the spring and fall camps, only to be benched by game 4?

You really want to compare JG "not being great" after 9 additional months of 1st team reps, vs Maurer, a true freshman, being chucked into the game because JG is "not being great" as you understatedly described his performance?

He got thew lion's share because guess what? He was better. If either qb came in looking like they were more talented they would have gotten more reps.

That's pure horse hooey. You are a fundamentally dishonest person.

Maurer likely would have started the rest of the season had he not gotten injured.... and he was NOT ready. JG was not good. He was so bad they replaced him in the 4th game with a guy who didn't know the O.

They recruited talented projects. Maurer got the nod because he can make plays through improvisation. He showed them he can run around and make some throws when it all breaks down. He wasn't ready to play. You keep avoiding the 800 lb gorilla. The ONLY reason we're having this conversation is that JG has NEVER been an SEC quality starter. No one "hates"him. We just want the Vols to win. We know that doesn't happen without QB play much better and more consistent than anything we've ever seen out of JG.


Yep. So great that he was yanked in the 4th game in favor of a Fr that EVERYONE agrees was not ready to play. He had 3 "good" games last year- USCe, UK, and Mizzou. He stank outright, stats or not, in the first 3, vs UGA, and the last 2. He "managed" and threw a TD that even a walk on could have thrown vs MSU. Everyone saw the Bama game... UT playing good with some momentum. Maurer gets hurt... the game turns in no small measure due to JG's play.

You keep trying to excuse JG by comparing him to a true Fr. Maurer made mistakes along with doing some good things. But he shouldn't be expected to compare to a 4th year Jr.

BM didn't compare. And lets not make excuses. BM was not as good.

BM was a hail mary. It failed. He was healthy and JG took the job back. They wanted to try and light a spark under JG ir the team. BM was never "the guy" at any point or the future of the program.

Stop lying. He did not play against UGA to stink. One pass when it counted and that was a great pass for a first down. That is why his QBR you love so much was higher vs UGA than BM.

BM had zero good games. He had one game with one decent quarter when he caught UGA not respecting the pass which was followed by three terrible quarters the same game. Then no good games the rest of the year.

JG had several good games. We all saw them and the team winning streak.

JG has been middle to top half of the SEC the last couple years in all stats. I think that make him a SEC quality starter since he has literally been one for three years.

 

[whodeycin85]

And which QB got the lion's share of 1st reps in the spring and fall camps, only to be benched by game 4?

You really want to compare JG "not being great" after 9 additional months of 1st team reps, vs Maurer, a true freshman, being chucked into the game because JG is "not being great" as you understatedly described his performance?

K-town doesnt like BM because he is a white mobile QB....any chance to down him he will take it

 

[sjt18]

He got thew lion's share because guess what? He was better. If either qb came in looking like they were more talented they would have gotten more reps.

That's utterly stupid. He has arm talent. He works hard. When faced with the choice of trying to get an inexperienced player up to speed or investing in a talented experienced guy who always seems to be "almost there"... they chose the latter. It was a decision based on what they thought offered the best chance of success... and by game 4 they knew they had been wrong.

BM didn't compare. And lets not make excuses. BM was not as good.

In the games where both played competitive downs he was at least as good if not better. He moved the O better. He threw for more yards. He made mistakes. Freshmen do. But "let's not make excuses". In the games where both played "real time"... he was at least as good if not better... in spite of not knowing the O or being ready to play.

BM was a hail mary. It failed. He was healthy and JG took the job back.

Are you really that dishonest? Really? JG kept the job late in the season because he finally started managing the run game at a level you would expect from a RS Jr. He absolutely stank throwing the ball vs Vandy and IU. He was the reason both of those games weren't blow outs.

They wanted to try and light a spark under JG ir the team. BM was never "the guy" at any point or the future of the program.

But he still replaced JG because JG has never been "the guy". He's just been the "guy who was there".

Stop lying. He did not play against UGA to stink. One pass when it counted and that was a great pass for a first down. That is why his QBR you love so much was higher vs UGA than BM.

He was 1 for 5 against UGA for 14 yards. His QBR was 43.52. Maurer was 14/28 for 259 yds and a 144.13 QBR.

AND AGAIN... the only reason Maurer was playing is because JG stank it up so bad in the first 3 games.

You are so dishonest that your self lies prevent you from accepting facts.

BM had zero good games. He had one game with one decent quarter when he caught UGA not respecting the pass which was followed by three terrible quarters the same game. Then no good games the rest of the year.

Played well and moved the ball well vs MSU but made some pretty bad mistakes. Played better early vs UK than JG did against VU and IU... much weaker opponents. For whatever reason, he was not allowed to play through.

He played very well though briefly vs Bama before getting hurt again- 5/7 for 62 yards and a pick on a perfect throw that was literally handed to Bama by Jennings. The game was 14-7 when he went out. He did that in 3 drives. JG in 7 drives was 7/16 for 55 yds... and made the boneheaded play of the century on a play that should have been a TD.

JG had several good games. We all saw them and the team winning streak.

He had 3 unless you want to count the FCS game. I know you are determined to lie to yourself and believe that's good enough... it just isn't. A RS Jr should be consistent. He should be able to hurt D's when they offer openings in the quick passing game. They should be able to hit plays downfield on time and target.

JG has been middle to top half of the SEC the last couple years in all stats. I think that make him a SEC quality starter since he has literally been one for three years.

No. He simply isn't. His play shows that. His record shows that. Offensive effectiveness with him in the game shows that.

I don't make ironclad statements about future things that I do not control. I still hold out a tiny sliver of hope that somehow it all "clicks" for JG this fall. I believe he's worked hard enough and put up with enough to deserve it. But he has not been a good QB at UT. Your attempts to spin what he's done into "good"... are ridiculous.

 

[BeardedVol]

He got thew lion's share because guess what? He was better. If either qb came in looking like they were more talented they would have gotten more reps.

Let that sink in. He's a RS-junior, who needed so many of the 1st team reps in the spring and fall camp, that our staff couldn't even prepare a another QB to be a functional backup.

And he was still benched in favor of the unprepared true freshman and RS-sophomore with zero college game snaps, after, getting those all those 1st team reps in the spring an fall camps.

 

[1vol8]

He got thew lion's share because guess what? He was better. If either qb came in looking like they were more talented they would have gotten more reps.

BM didn't compare. And lets not make excuses. BM was not as good.

BM was a hail mary. It failed. He was healthy and JG took the job back. They wanted to try and light a spark under JG ir the team. BM was never "the guy" at any point or the future of the program.

Stop lying. He did not play against UGA to stink. One pass when it counted and that was a great pass for a first down. That is why his QBR you love so much was higher vs UGA than BM.

BM had zero good games. He had one game with one decent quarter when he caught UGA not respecting the pass which was followed by three terrible quarters the same game. Then no good games the rest of the year.

JG had several good games. We all saw them and the team winning streak.

JG has been middle to top half of the SEC the last couple years in all stats. I think that make him a SEC quality starter since he has literally been one for three years.

Hey! Welcome back KTown! I think the last we heard from you was about two weeks ago when I brought up @whodeycin85 argument against THIS very subject. But we understand....... you got “busy” the moment it was brought up.