Who will be the qb this year?

[PulaskiVolFan]

That's utterly stupid. He has arm talent. He works hard. When faced with the choice of trying to get an inexperienced player up to speed or investing in a talented experienced guy who always seems to be "almost there"... they chose the latter. It was a decision based on what they thought offered the best chance of success... and by game 4 they knew they had been wrong.

In the games where both played competitive downs he was at least as good if not better. He moved the O better. He threw for more yards. He made mistakes. Freshmen do. But "let's not make excuses". In the games where both played "real time"... he was at least as good if not better... in spite of not knowing the O or being ready to play.

Are you really that dishonest? Really? JG kept the job late in the season because he finally started managing the run game at a level you would expect from a RS Jr. He absolutely stank throwing the ball vs Vandy and IU. He was the reason both of those games weren't blow outs.

But he still replaced JG because JG has never been "the guy". He's just been the "guy who was there".

He was 1 for 5 against UGA for 14 yards. His QBR was 43.52. Maurer was 14/28 for 259 yds and a 144.13 QBR.

AND AGAIN... the only reason Maurer was playing is because JG stank it up so bad in the first 3 games.

You are so dishonest that your self lies prevent you from accepting facts.

Played well and moved the ball well vs MSU but made some pretty bad mistakes. Played better early vs UK than JG did against VU and IU... much weaker opponents. For whatever reason, he was not allowed to play through.

He played very well though briefly vs Bama before getting hurt again- 5/7 for 62 yards and a pick on a perfect throw that was literally handed to Bama by Jennings. The game was 14-7 when he went out. He did that in 3 drives. JG in 7 drives was 7/16 for 55 yds... and made the boneheaded play of the century on a play that should have been a TD.

He had 3 unless you want to count the FCS game. I know you are determined to lie to yourself and believe that's good enough... it just isn't. A RS Jr should be consistent. He should be able to hurt D's when they offer openings in the quick passing game. They should be able to hit plays downfield on time and target.


No. He simply isn't. His play shows that. His record shows that. Offensive effectiveness with him in the game shows that.

I don't make ironclad statements about future things that I do not control. I still hold out a tiny sliver of hope that somehow it all "clicks" for JG this fall. I believe he's worked hard enough and put up with enough to deserve it. But he has not been a good QB at UT. Your attempts to spin what he's done into "good"... are ridiculous.

I never see you bring up the Ky game when comparing the 2 vs same competition, why not? Nearly everyone on here was for JG over BM following that game, you included. JG performed as well or better vs MS St as well. You are a farce, king of the neverJGers, card carrying member of the NegaVols. There's a reason you have 40,000 post and 20,000 likes, most folks simply don't like the NegaVol part of this fanbase, spin it however you want but nobody likes to be disliked.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

K-town doesnt like BM because he is a white mobile QB....any chance to down him he will take it

5th grade humor!! This is the content you're famous for, thanks.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

At a glance we had a lower passing down sack rate than Florida, and just slightly higher than Georgia, but equal to LSU's.

Lol, now who is cherry picking stats. Why do you try and compare our OL to the best teams in the league? FWIW, Florida's OL was terrible last year and if they don't improve their running game it's going to show up this season. Ga, LSU, AL all have much better composite OL rankings according to these stats. I'm guessing that you know this already as a NegaVol yet had rather not point it out because it makes your comparing our OL to really good OLs look foolish.

 

[BeardedVol]

I never see you bring up the Ky game when comparing the 2 vs same competition, why not? Nearly everyone on here was for JG over BM following that game, you included. JG performed as well or better vs MS St as well. You are a farce, king of the neverJGers, card carrying member of the NegaVols. There's a reason you have 40,000 post and 20,000 likes, most folks simply don't like the NegaVol part of this fanbase, spin it however you want but nobody likes to be disliked.

You want to talk about the context of the Kentucky game? You want to compare a true freshman coming back to his first game after exiting concussion protocol, vs the performance of a RS-Junior who was only playing because that true freshman had back-to-back concussions?

Or do you still want to pretend that you live in an alternate reality?

 

[BeardedVol]

Lol, now who is cherry picking stats. Why do you try and compare our OL to the best teams in the league? FWIW, Florida's OL was terrible last year and if they don't improve their running game it's going to show up this season. Ga, LSU, AL all have much better composite OL rankings according to these stats. I'm guessing that you know this already as a NegaVol yet had rather not point it out because it makes your comparing our OL to really good OLs look foolish.

Oh, do enlighten us: when determining the success of oline pass protection, what stats should we be using?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

So if JT, HB nor BM are good enough to beat JG out, then what?

Either we have terrible coaches that cannot develop talent.

Or

We have coaches that suck at evaluating talent out of high school.

Or

JG is the best QB we have right now.

 

[superdave1984]

Come on, 10 pages and this guy hasn't shown up yet?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

And which QB got the lion's share of 1st reps in the spring and fall camps, only to be benched by game 4?

You really want to compare JG "not being great" after 9 additional months of 1st team reps, vs Maurer, a true freshman, being chucked into the game because JG is "not being great" as you understatedly described his performance?

So we have a coaching staff that’s incompetent then?

 

[BeardedVol]

So we have a coaching staff that’s incompetent then?

We have a coaching staff that doesn't seem to be able to fix JG's issues, that would seem to be the case.

 

[BeardedVol]

Come on, 10 pages and this guy hasn't shown up yet?
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If he can throw a receiver open and get rid of the ball in under 2.8 seconds, suit him up.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

We have a coaching staff that doesn't seem to be able to fix JG's issues, that would seem to be the case.

So the staff is not very good then? Even Pruitt isn’t very good because he was the one who ultimately kept going back to JG. We apparently have a staff full of rookie coaches who have no idea what they are doing.

 

[BeardedVol]

The whole team was playing bad. It was a hail mary to spark some change,

So you believe that the entire team was playing poorly, so they benched JG to make the rest of the team play better?

I'm not sure that's even remotely logical, and it doesn't help your poorly formed argument at all.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Oh, do enlighten us: when determining the success of oline pass protection, what stats should we be using?

You only mentioned that 1 stat, why is that? Our OL stats are very mediocre across the board, mediocre line play effects both the running game and QB play. You've blamed our pathetic running game on the QB, I'm saying it's several factors that involve good QB play and overall OL play, not just pass protection, come into play. '17, '18 and '19 OL all pretty much sucked at running the football which I believe has a big impact on our passing numbers, BMs included. We were pretty much 50th or worse at every OL metric but 2 last season.

 

[k-town_king]

So you believe that the entire team was playing poorly, so they benched JG to make the rest of the team play better?

I'm not sure that's even remotely logical, or if it helps your poorly formed argument at all.

He is the qb. Has more effect than the rest. We also had other guys move position etc. Just not publicized as much.

 

[BeardedVol]

So the staff is not very good then? Even Pruitt isn’t very good because he was the one who ultimately kept going back to JG. We apparently have a staff full of rookie coaches who have no idea what they are doing.

If your litmus test for a "good staff" is being able to fix the internal clock of RS-Junior QB, then I guess that would be an accurate statement, though not one that I made in my post.

Feel free to knock those down if you get bored.

 

[BeardedVol]

You only mentioned that 1 stat, why is that? Our OL stats are very mediocre across the board, mediocre line play effects both the running game and QB play. You've blamed our pathetic running game on the QB, I'm saying it's several factors that involve good QB play and overall OL play, not just pass protection, come into play. '17, '18 and '19 OL all pretty much sucked at running the football which I believe has a big impact on our passing numbers, BMs included. We were pretty much 50th or worse at every OL metric but 2 last season.

Answer the question, what metric should we be using to gauge the success of an oline's pass protection?

 

[LittleVol]

I like Bailey. He will be much better than BM imo. he is white. JG is not black. I'm pretty sure his parents are Domincan or Italian or something.

It always amazes me you all that hate the non white qbs try to start this argument. Stop projecting your biases.



The whole team was playing bad. It was a hail mary to spark some change,


He has no argument.

Just like BM has no chance of being an SEC starter. Not unless he transfers to Vandy or MSU or some other bottom feeder.

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Stop trying to lie. You love QBR not qb rating which are two different stats. If you don't know that basic fact I'm not surprised at your weird qb takes.

QBR accounts for situation and not raw numbers. JG was 1/1 vs UGA if you want to compare "competitive" downs.
That is why his QBR was higher vs UGA than BM and his one good quarter vs three bad.

In the games they both played actual meaningful snaps JG was much better, as he should have been.

Awe come on man...! Bottom Feeder hahaha? Brian Maurer is no bottom Feeder program QB. And JG is black. He would pass the one blood drop rule or the Brown paper bag test. His father and mother have it on both their sides.

 

[volfan2024]

I think JG has earned the right to start but if he starts having ineffective games he has to be replaced . I wanna Be fair but I wanna win and keep my job also.

 

[VolInNW]

So if JT, HB nor BM are good enough to beat JG out, then what?

Either we have terrible coaches that cannot develop talent.

Or

We have coaches that suck at evaluating talent out of high school.

Or

JG is the best QB we have right now.

If after 3 years Gitmo is the best on campus then we have a case of recruiting and coaching malpractice.

Get set for another year of 216mph swing passes, underthrown deep passes resembling a fair catch, and lots of opportunities for fans to take home an (overthrown) sideline or endzone pass.

It is what it is.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

If your litmus test for a "good staff" is being able to fix the internal clock of RS-Junior QB, then I guess that would be an accurate statement, though not one that I made in my post.

Feel free to knock those down if you get bored.

Well why other reason could account for the staff consistently going back to JG last year? Or that he could be the starter this year? We have seen other teams rill the dice with young, unproven QBs. So why is our staff unwilling to do so?

Why on a staff that includes 2 NC winning QBs, a Heisman winner, coaches with multiple NCs under their belt as coordinators all seem to view JG as the best we have?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

If after 3 years Gitmo is the best on campus then we have a case of recruiting and coaching malpractice.

Get set for another year of 216mph swing passes, underthrown deep passes resembling a fair catch, and lots of opportunities for fans to take home an (overthrown) sideline or endzone pass.

It is what it is.

This is weak sauce. It’s hilarious to see people like you who can predict the future based on the past. I guess QBs can’t improve huh?

So by your statement we pretty much have an incompetent coaching staff. Gotcha. Fulmer must suck to because he hired Pruitt.

 

[TrueVolsGBOInsider]

Well... except your premise and conclusion are both wrong.

When JG started as a RS Fr, he took 30 sacks in 7 games. Behind the same OL, Dormady took 4 or 5 sacks in five games. Too often JG's slow reads led to sacks or dump downs when better plays down field were available if he had seen the play and made a throw on time.

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Look at the games dormady played in, then look at the 7 JG played in. Quality of opponents matters in that assessment

 

[sjt18]

Look at the games dormady played in, then look at the 7 JG played in. Quality of opponents matters in that assessment

As do the results. Are you really trying to argue that JG does not have a problem with making reads too slow or holding the ball too long? JG took 7 sacks in both the UK and USCe games that year. They were 8th and 12th in the SEC in sacks. JG's inability to see the play and make an effective throw away likely cost UT both of those games. Mizzou was 7th in the SEC and sacked him 5 times. Vandy was 10th and got him 3 times. LSU was in control and only sacked him 2 times.

It wasn't his sacks against opponents that UT wasn't going to beat... it was sacks in games where UT had every reason to compete or even win.

 

[VolInNW]

This is weak sauce. It’s hilarious to see people like you who can predict the future based on the past. I guess QBs can’t improve huh?

So by your statement we pretty much have an incompetent coaching staff. Gotcha. Fulmer must suck to because he hired Pruitt.

No. I stated malpractice. Typically, that is when an otherwise competent professional fails to meet a duty to his or her employer or client.

I think JP is going to work out. I think we have not had anyone on staff who can develop the younger guys we have recruited.

I think JG is a fine young man, a true VFL, and, at best, a mediocre QB.

 

[jarnol32]

I can certainly see it happening for him as speed kills! I just remember how thin Hunter was and that dude was 6'4 and a blazer, didn't do a whole lot as a Fr, Peerless was small his Fr year and didn't do much, Joey Kent did nothing and I don't even know if Stallworth played his 1st year. I'm all for speed I just can't recall the small guys having much success their Freshman seasons. If we get 200-400 yards from him this season would be big and point towards future stardom. Either way he's one of the reasons I like this group. I'm bigger on Dee than most for several reasons, one is we have worked with he, his brother and family the last 3 years and I know what type of kid he is. With his measurements and how hard he plays the game I just think he's gonna be a star in Knoxville.

Stallworth had 23 receptions for 430 yards and 1td his freshmen year.
Peerless price had 6 receptions for 71 yards, but was buried ina very talented depth chart.
Joey Kent had 10 receptions for 209 yds and 5 tds.

Stallworth and Kent were both Solid contributors as freshmen. Prices size wasn’t as much of a deterrent as the players ahead of him on the depth chart. I like big receivers on the outside to, but for every Justin Hunter there is always a Matt Milton, or Jason Croom...