What CJH Won't Say

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utvolpj said:
Good plan except you also need Ohio State money
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On that - OSU AD brought in ~$280mil and we're estimated to have brought in ~$202mil. However, that's AD as a whole and we're stretched thin trying to pay for top-flight football, basketball (mens and womens) and baseball programs.

Football programs are a bit more filtered. NYTimes has overall football program revenue and that's at 7 for us nationally at $125mil. OSU is, according to NYTimes, at a shocking $116mil (though their revenue is likely compensated by the aforementioned rabid fans that donate quite a bit).



Expenses, though, are a bit harder to find. Only source is "Extra Points" and has our program spending $76mil. Alabama is spending $114mil, OSU is reported at spending $79mil - don't know how legit those numbers are though.
 
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vol94fan said:
If you want a championship caliber team you have to spend championship money on elite athletes. This game is no longer about school colors, now its the color of money. Spend like Ohio State and you get Ohio State results.
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Ohio State had us by a few rungs on the Blueblood list before NIL and the portal
 
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#1fulmerite said:
Let’s be Tennessee, pay for average, play for average and hope we have a Vandy type season every so often.
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Yeah but it could be worse. We're all setting around beetching about a 8-4 year that had chances to be better.. Half the team were freshman that played a lot this year. Roles will reverse and Tennessee will have the advantage on some of these teams that got them this year. If your coach does the right things to make that happen. Let's hope he does. Next year shat gets real. 3 probably top 10 teams coming in here to play. Vols better not drop 3 at home next year or the fat lady may start to warm up.
 
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Bloodrunsorange27 said:
Pretty sure Vandy doesn't spend like Ohio State and they still dominated TN in Neyland with less talent.
We definitely need to improve our overall talent, but there are some coaching issues going on too.
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Let’s examine this less talent aspect. Our young guys might have had more stars out of high school, but those grown men were just better. They might have been 3 stars out of high school but they have developed into 4 and 5 stars.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Being in the top ten of all time doesn't jive with your below average "average" comment
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Oh, in that case, Minnesota once was a dominant team. Even won a NC. However, had we not been”average” the past 15 or so years, you may be commenting “top five” instead. Your thought process in others is why the program fell to the depths it did. “Let’s settle for average and call it a day”.
 
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#1fulmerite said:
Oh, in that case, Minnesota once was a dominant team. Even won a NC. However, had we not been”average” the past 15 or so years, you may be commenting “top five” instead. Your thought process in others is why the program fell to the depths it did. “Let’s settle for average and call it a day”.
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Old buddy of mine was the HC at Minnesota when they won that NC.
 
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#1fulmerite said:
Oh, in that case, Minnesota once was a dominant team. Even won a NC. However, had we not been”average” the past 15 or so years, you may be commenting “top five” instead. Your thought process in others is why the program fell to the depths it did. “Let’s settle for average and call it a day”.
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Tell us, Mr. Football who you’d hire to replace CJH.
 
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I can understand the premise of you get what you pay for. Spend more money, you get more talented players.

However, I look around now and suddenly Indiana and Vanderbilt are both having the best year in over 90-100 plus years of playing football. How? Did each spend Ohio State money similar to 2024 and get Ohio State talent? I don’t think so.

So the million dollar question is how are they achieving success unprecedented in their history?

I believe it’s more to do with talent evaluation vs just looking at how many stars the players had by their name in recruiting. I feel both programs took chances on more experienced players who had a chip on their shoulders who were motivated by more than money. I haven’t watched Indiana much this year, but the times I watched Vandy play, they appeared to play pissed off, even on offense.
They play like they are telling the world you screwed up when you overlooked me.

Unfortunately, it looked like we only had a few , or at least one running back, who played this way.
 
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VolCalls said:
Lot of denial on here that Vandy will revert to the Vandy of old simply "because they're Vandy." Last I checked, Clark Lea is a heck of a coach and Diego Pavia, as talented as he is, didn't play a single down on a defense that held our vaunted offense to 24 points. Vanderbilt will be a formidable opponent as long as Lea is there and as long as we continue our status quo.
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They will be decent BUT Vandy has the oldest roster in the SEC. We have the youngest. Vandy Oline for example which has been dominant is 4 grads and 1 senior. All 5 starters gone next year. They are losing half their offense and half their defense this year. They will be a middle of the pack SEC team like Kentucky for the foreseeable future. I LOVE the fact that even on their best year with a QB that should win the Heistman (but won't) they STILL wont make the playoffs. Hahahahahahaha

Our VOLS on the other hand are bringing in our best recruting class since at least 2001....loaded class at our most important positions and needs. Here are just the top 6 guys. There are several more who will play NFL ball like LB Braden Rouse...

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onevol74 said:
The only significance of a national championship is how much money you are willing to spend. It is bought, not earned.

I see no pride in that and how it makes us fans feel better about our program.
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It is always earned. Those young men earn it by putting in the blood, sweat, and effort. No amount of money can take away from the effort, teamwork, and effort those men put in week in and week out. It’s easier to see now but money has always bought the most talent.

If you don’t have pride now, you never had pride. Or it was faux pride at best. When we won our championship in 1998 we were cheating. Every team cheated. Some schools get put to the grindstone with bias, like SMU, but make no mistake every team with winning aspirations used to cheat.

Now they can just do it all open, and legally.
 
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#1fulmerite said:
Oh, in that case, Minnesota once was a dominant team. Even won a NC. However, had we not been”average” the past 15 or so years, you may be commenting “top five” instead. Your thought process in others is why the program fell to the depths it did. “Let’s settle for average and call it a day”.
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How are we setting for average? What on the field results tell you that?

If you stack Heupel up against what an “average” SEC coach usually does the numbers really lean in his favor. Across SEC history the baseline win rate for all SEC coaches together sits around 59 percent, and when you look at newer SEC coaches who got their first real shot in this league since the mid 90s they usually land closer to 55 percent overall (and about 46 percent in SEC play). That is basically the middle of the pack for this conference. Most coaches who end up staying only a few years hover in that range so that is a pretty fair definition of average.

Heupel on the other hand has been running about a 71 percent win rate at Tennessee (37 and 15 plus this seasons 8 and 4). That puts him well above the long term SEC average and way above the typical success rate of a new coach trying to rebuild a program in this league. Even when you compare him to long term guys who are considered solid but not elite many of them hang around 65 to 75 percent, and Heupel is already inside that zone after only a few seasons here.

If the average SEC coach is hitting fifty something percent and the good ones push into the mid sixties then Heupel being at seventy percent shows he is clearly above that middle tier. Tennessee was not in a great spot when he got hired so the fact that his numbers look like a stable upper tier coach instead of a rebuilding coach says a lot. So when someone tries to call him average it really doesnt match the real SEC statistics at all.
 
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onevol74 said:
The only significance of a national championship is how much money you are willing to spend. It is bought, not earned.

I see no pride in that and how it makes us fans feel better about our program.
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I understand your thought process, I really do. The reality is Dabo took that same approach, and look how bad Clemson fell from the top.
 
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Is this true? It can’t be. I am going with it isn’t. I have also read OSU pays about 2 to 3 times as much and Vanderbilt pays as much. Where’s an official, reliable source?
 

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marcusluvsvols said:
They will be decent BUT Vandy has the oldest roster in the SEC. We have the youngest. Vandy Oline for example which has been dominant is 4 grads and 1 senior. All 5 starters gone next year. They are losing half their offense and half their defense this year. They will be a middle of the pack SEC team like Kentucky for the foreseeable future. I LOVE the fact that even on their best year with a QB that should win the Heistman (but won't) they STILL wont make the playoffs. Hahahahahahaha

Our VOLS on the other hand are bringing in our best recruting class since at least 2001....loaded class at our most important positions and needs. Here are just the top 6 guys. There are several more who will play NFL ball like LB Braden Rouse...

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Gotta love the sunshine pumpers.
 
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