What CJH Won't Say

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vegasvolfan said:
We lose every starting DL from this year. We need to be losing our S&C coach.
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Hobbs has become the best D-lineman this year and he will be back. They need to bring in a wide body like Lott to supplement the younger guys they have at DT. Another body at SDE would be nice.
 
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So… what I’m hearing is OSU is a LOCK to win back to back championships? Why wouldn’t Josh say that out loud ?
 
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vol94fan said:
If you want a championship caliber team you have to spend championship money on elite athletes. This game is no longer about school colors, now its the color of money. Spend like Ohio State and you get Ohio State results.
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I'm still waiting for schools to realize they are paying coaches too much. Cut coaches salary and put that money toward elite players. Better yet, I'd love to see a coach that is established with the university he wants to be at, is happy and volunteers 1/2 his salary for NIL money. I know that's a pipe dream, but come on, seriously, you can't live on 4 million and donate 4 million to NIL.
 
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vol94fan said:
If you want a championship caliber team you have to spend championship money on elite athletes. This game is no longer about school colors, now its the color of money. Spend like Ohio State and you get Ohio State results.
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We are going to get a cap on NIL and revenue sharing eventually. The house is voting on a law currently. Congress set to vote on college sports bill that limits NIL, transfers
What's likely to happen is a further pruning of the schools who can afford to play big time sports. Also in play is how will schools distribute their "cap" money. We already saw an example of this when Tony V left partially over Arkansas allocating their girl's basketball money to the baseball team. When the regulations are sorted out Tennessee will have enough money to play in the top level of the sports. Basically you will be back to a level playing field, at least for money. for the top 40 or so richest schools. Then you have to decide how you allocate the money among sports and then it will get back to what its always been about recruiting, player evaluation, and coaching.
 
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Tennman said:
I'm still waiting for schools to realize they are paying coaches too much. Cut coaches salary and put that money toward elite players. Better yet, I'd love to see a coach that is established with the university he wants to be at, is happy and volunteers 1/2 his salary for NIL money. I know that's a pipe dream, but come on, seriously, you can't live on 4 million and donate 4 million to NIL.
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Schools are paying coaches too much because the fans keep demanding a new (and more expensive) coach after every single setback.
Jimmy Sexton knows this and plays every fanbase for a fool. And we all keep playing his game.
 
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kckempf said:
They’re not going to the playoffs with that roster but they can set a school record for wins because they have a bunch of old men who probably won’t play pro ball but can play mistake-free ball.

It’s extremely unlikely that they will be able to pull off any consecutive years like this past year, but they can build up to that kind of performance over the course of 4 years and have success with a senior-heavy roster. They do have to put up with the 2-win seasons, though.
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Vandy can have a niche with grad students.

If they tell a player who is never going to the league, "Come to Vanderbilt and add "MBA from Vanderbilt University" to your resume," that's got a nice ring to it.

Some of the guys might not be able to get accepted easily into grad school at Vandy without having decent football chops, so if they're willing to make that trade these days...... it's a niche market for grad students.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Vandy can have a niche with grad students.

If they tell a player who is never going to the league, "Come to Vanderbilt and add "MBA from Vanderbilt University" to your resume," that's got a nice ring to it.

Some of the guys might not be able to get accepted easily into grad school at Vandy without having decent football chops, so if they're willing to make that trade these days...... it's a niche market for grad students.
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YEP - let's face it, unless you are a Jay Cutler or Jordan Matthews type player, you probably aren't going to the NFL if you are playing at Vandy.
So that MBA from one of the best schools in the country will definitely have some weight.

Actually looked this up since one of my favorite current players, Dayo Odeyingbo, is a Vandy grad.
Since 2020, they have had 3 in the NFL.
2010 - 2020 = 15
2000 - 2010 = 12
30 in the last 25 years...number is actually higher than I thought.

In comparison...UT had the following:
2000 - 2010 = 54 (the early 00s were massive)
2010 - 2020 = 19 (2019, if you recall was the FIRST time a player from UT was NOT drafted...EVER)
Since 2020 = 19
Take away our early 2000s numbers and we are only 11 more drafted than Vandy in the last 15 years

NOW, for those that want to compare and contrast the job that Josh Heupel has done here (NOT trying to turn this into one of THOSE threads at all), there have been as many drafted from Heupel led teams (2020 - present) than there have since Phil Fulmer was asked to step down as HC (2008-2018) !!!
 
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vol94fan said:
If you want a championship caliber team you have to spend championship money on elite athletes. This game is no longer about school colors, now its the color of money. Spend like Ohio State and you get Ohio State results.
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To spend like OSU, you have to have money like OSU or you end up like the US government.... IN DEBT!
 
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IndianaVol said:
YEP - let's face it, unless you are a Jay Cutler or Jordan Matthews type player, you probably aren't going to the NFL if you are playing at Vandy.
So that MBA from one of the best schools in the country will definitely have some weight.

Actually looked this up since one of my favorite current players, Dayo Odeyingbo, is a Vandy grad.
Since 2020, they have had 3 in the NFL.
2010 - 2020 = 15
2000 - 2010 = 12
30 in the last 25 years...number is actually higher than I thought.

In comparison...UT had the following:
2000 - 2010 = 54 (the early 00s were massive)
2010 - 2020 = 19 (2019, if you recall was the FIRST time a player from UT was NOT drafted...EVER)
Since 2020 = 19
Take away our early 2000s numbers and we are only 11 more drafted than Vandy in the last 15 years

NOW, for those that want to compare and contrast the job that Josh Heupel has done here (NOT trying to turn this into one of THOSE threads at all), there have been as many drafted from Heupel led teams (2020 - present) than there have since Phil Fulmer was asked to step down as HC (2008-2018) !!!
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It's a nice little idea if Vandy is pursuing players with "You're never going to to league so spice up your resume."

Schools like GA Tech, Vandy, Stanford, etc who seem to WANT to compete in sports can find guys who are "not quite there" and offer a non sports "intangible" that can help someone for their next level which isn't the NFL or NBA.

That's not to say an MBA from UT is chopped liver but c'mon, Vanderbilt.
 
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Usaf redhorse said:
Trust me brother in the big business of college sports now you don’t have to be Elon musk to know that they have already thought of every way to get more $$$ out of the fans I hear there is going to be a ticket price increase next season! Soon they will probably charge you pay per view to see games?
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It's absolutely coming. They're conditioning us to accept it as I type this. Look at TV shows and even old classics that we used to watch every year during the holiday season. Can't get those unless you subscribe.

Everything will eventually be PPV. Suspect OTA content will dwindle and eventually go extinct sooner or later. I'm slowly but surely rebuilding my book library I so stupidly discarded when ebooks came on the scene. Way better than the garbage being sold to us as entertainment now. And don't get me started on today's sports. Sheese what a world.
 
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farmdogvol said:
Hobbs has become the best D-lineman this year and he will be back. They need to bring in a wide body like Lott to supplement the younger guys they have at DT. Another body at SDE would be nice.
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Hobbs is injury prone. Undependable. Hit the portal and hit it hard.
 
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vegasvolfan said:
Is this true? It can’t be. I am going with it isn’t. I have also read OSU pays about 2 to 3 times as much and Vanderbilt pays as much. Where’s an official, reliable source?
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I could be wrong so I’m asking but NIL budget, I do believe, is different than NIL Collective budget.
 
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vegasvolfan said:
Is this true? It can’t be. I am going with it isn’t. I have also read OSU pays about 2 to 3 times as much and Vanderbilt pays as much. Where’s an official, reliable source?
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A recruiting budget isn't a school's NIL budget. It costs money to fly around, eat, drink, etc while recruiting.

The House Settlement limits a school to $20.5M in "in house" NIL/profit sharing. I think we can be sure UT is near that limit.

"Out of house" NIL is unlimited, though the House Settlement set up a "clearinghouse" to approve such deals as "valid." I assume that was a cute idea that has been quickly schemed around by schools/NIL collectives.

You're not going to get definitive data on what collectives are spending on players. That wouldn't be good for any program to share and the collectives are not part of the school and don't have to tell us anything. And they won't unless you're a power donor.
 
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stolitonic said:
I believe this can be summed up as there is a "big difference" there

We get a 5* star Mike Matthews-who has issues catching the ball-a receivers primary job. We get high 4* Boo. Enough said.

Tosu gets 5* Jeremiah Smith.

Saying we spend $15 million or whatever on football NIL-great. But where is that money going?

Seems to me, we have quite a considerable number of players whose NIL requirements exceed their abilities

Have we had a top flight prospect who has actually worked out since Eric Berry? That's been almost 20 years ago man.

All of our "big gets" turn out to be basically busts-JG, Nico, Hurd, Boo etc etc etc. This is not limited to one coaching staff.

Our"big stars" usually come out of nowhere-low 3* Dobbs, Hyatt, and Hooker who showed up at our door with a suitcase.

Talent evaluation has been a problem around here for a long time. Occasionally, like a blind squirrel we find a nut though.
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RE: All of our "big gets" turn out to be basically busts-JG, Nico, Hurd, Boo etc etc etc. This is not limited to one coaching staff.

Not sure what you mean by one coaching staff (different staffs at the same school or staffs of multiple schools) but every one of those busts was wanted by many top tier football schools. Notably, Saban tried very hard to get Nico.
 
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J C Higgins said:
RE: All of our "big gets" turn out to be basically busts-JG, Nico, Hurd, Boo etc etc etc. This is not limited to one coaching staff.

Not sure what you mean by one coaching staff (different staffs at the same school or staffs of multiple schools) but every one of those busts was wanted by many top tier football schools. Notably, Saban tried very hard to get Nico.
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Meaning that every one of our coaches in the last 15-20 years has undertaken some MAJOR swings and misses.

Some schools can absorb a 5* projected All American being a bust. Here, one such case can destroy two seasons.

Just the way things are man. We have to be more "sure" in who we devote our resources to as our gold is more limited. If you wanted easy, UT is not the school to root for..
 
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A few recruiting tidbits.

Pavia said Vandy has more NIL money than UT. Don't know if he's correct but do know he said it.

Kirby Smart and Chip Kelly have both said nobody will outbid Oregon if they want a player bad enough. That's probably correct since Phil Knight ($44 billion) is an avid booster and Steve Ballmer's ($118 billion) wife was an Oregon cheerleader and is on the school's board of trustees. Also Dan Lanning said he would not consider leaving for another school. When asked to elaborate he said "the grass is greener here".

A friend who's a supporter of another SEC school but seems to have a lot of inside information said Oregon has 5 paid scouts that go to high school football games in Texas to evaluate talent. Cannot verify that one but if true they may be "Nike salesmen" or in some other Nike position and just love to go to high school football games where top talent is playing.

Recruiting services aren't always correct. About 20 years ago there was a highly recruited linebacker from the high school here that we wanted. Ranked #3 in the country by rating services. A fellow Vol and I went to see him play. It was obvious who the player was when they ran onto field for pregame warmups but after watching the game we both agreed we would not recruit the guy because he loafed and didn't have a nose for the ball. He signed with a West Coast school and never started....played very little.
 
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Bloodrunsorange27 said:
Pretty sure Vandy doesn't spend like Ohio State and they still dominated TN in Neyland with less talent.
We definitely need to improve our overall talent, but there are some coaching issues going on too.
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Sometimes you have to cut the toxic people out of your life. Josh really needs to learn.

Toxic may be a strong word.. maybe "Unproductive"
 
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