Want To Know What's Really Embarrassing?

[cbbowlingmd]

Refer to my 2nd post. When they are this bad, context can be damned.

Shows a complete lack of knowledge.

 

[GahLee]

Who said fight? You said fight. Sure if you wanna. I was going to offer you a refreshing beverage.

I bet.

 

[tnvols72]

People are going to make jabs on either side of this discussion, in the long run our opinions have very little impact on what happens. The thing all this does have an impact on is recruiting. For a Vol fan to post so much negativity on boards daily, we will be lucky if any big name recruits come to the Hill to play their next 4 years.

We live in a social environment where people seek info at the click of the mouse, if you are one of those that think what gets posted on a message board does not impact decisions, don't cry like babies when top recruits decide to go elsewhere. If I had a son who was being recruited by UT and he had other offers from big schools, UT would not be getting my blessing based on all the fire DD threads and posts.

So now it's the negavols fault that Dooley can't sign a big time recruit ? It has nothing to do with the product he is putting on the field or his wins and loses ? All other team sites don't have nega fans, just VN ? If any recruit has to read VN or any other message board to help him makes his decision, then we probably don't need him.
For 3 years we have been waiting on Dooley to bring in Big time recruits and so far we haven't gotten any. Does the blame for that fall on the negavols to ? It has got so bad on VN that the negavols is the reason Dooley can't sign big recruits or win ball games. Sad

 

[Wylo]

Yet you fail to mention any other circumstances that led to that beyond his control.

A starting roster that was on par with the Vandy's and Kentucky's his first year.

A young, promising roster his second year that featured Bray and Hunter getting hurt. Lathers getting hurt. Janzen getting kicked off. In their place we start Simms/Worley, Zach Rogers, two freshman LBs, and a freshman safety.

Three senior classes that were left for him that have been awful beyond comprehension.

And 2-3 mid to late round NFL draft picks left to him.

Think that contributed at all?

About as much as you think his inability to coach contributed to it.

 

[2ironVol]

Name 4 coaches UT went after with PROOF...Only 4...in desperation.[Hamilton settled with Dooley /QUOTE]

that's not remotely true.

Look we get that YOU don't like Dooley. We also know that you generally aren't that informed. So you see, Miami, you have a major credibility problem here.

 

[DD4ME]

Yet you fail to mention any other circumstances that led to that beyond his control.

A starting roster that was on par with the Vandy's and Kentucky's his first year.

A young, promising roster his second year that featured Bray and Hunter getting hurt. Lathers getting hurt. Janzen getting kicked off. In their place we start Simms/Worley, Zach Rogers, two freshman LBs, and a freshman safety.

Three senior classes that were left for him that have been awful beyond comprehension.

And 2-3 mid to late round NFL draft picks left to him.

Think that contributed at all?

Simms could have won those games, quit making excuses.

 

[onefesternation]

A lot of us "sunshine pumpers" support CDD, because he's the coach of our beloved team. What good is b!tching, moaning, crying, complaining, etc. gonna do when there's nothing anyone here can do about it anyway. You think Hart's gonna make a change, because VolNation is outraged with this coaching staff? Is he the best coach out there? NO. Are his stats great? NO.

However, he came and took over our program when it was falling off a steep cliff. He has cleaned house some and is getting some talented players to come to our University, despite how our program is viewed by many at this time. If he ultimately is let go for not getting the job done, I will still appreciate the time he has put in here for our University. Not only has he brought talented players in, but he has also brought in some good kids. Sure, there are some mistakes these kids make, but nothing like what Kiffin brought in here. He also started the VFL Program, which many have either forgotten or think it just magically appeared.

 

[BornAndRaisedVOL!]

Defending the following.

14-16 Record-A quarter into his third year, with the best win being over Cincinnati.

4-14 Record-In the SEC, best win is over a 6 win Vanderbilt team.

0-19-Career record against ranked opponets.

36-15-Average margin of defeat against ranked opponets.

6-Number of 30+ point losses while at UT. 5 from SEC opponets.

1-8-Road record in the SEC, lone win was against Vanderbilt.

26-The streak that ended against UK last year in what has to be the lowest of all lows.

If UT were looking to hire a new head coach and one of the candidates career numbers looked like this, would he be someone you would consider worthy for the position?

Yeah we get it. You think Dooley sucks and want him replaced just like half the board. Thanks for the 785th thread showing stats as to why Dooley sucks. You probably just convinced all Dooley supporters to rally to your way of thinking. Now STFU since this subject has already been beaten to death. Please.

:horse: :horse: :horse: :horse:

 

[DC Vol]

This year belongs to Dooley. The roster problems were a reason for the first two years. By year 3, you own it.



It is absolutely ridiculous to make a comparison between the roster Saban inherited and the one Dooley inherited. Bama's was superior and it isn't close. He STILL had a bad year and lost to ULM. Saban has gotten better players. He also started from a much more favorable position.

People are equating the talent that Saban developed to the talent Saban was given. Most coaches would be around 7-9 wins/year with the talent that Saban was left with. By Week 5 in Year 2 Saban was using a 3* recruit Senior QB, a 3* recruit JR RB and a True Freshman WR as his main offensive playmakers.

There is a distinct difference. With that squad Dooley would have likely gone 6-6 at best and everyone would be lamenting how Dooley only had 3*s to start and he didn't have enough upperclassmen with any experience, etc etc etc.

With that said, there isn't any fair comparison with Dooley. His record is absolutely abysmal. Until Dooley starts winning some big games (and not beating up on Ole Miss, Vandy, Kentucky) everything he says will be trumpeting.

No more excuses. No more finger-pointing.

 

[DazzleVol]

Yet you fail to mention any other circumstances that led to that beyond his control.

A starting roster that was on par with the Vandy's and Kentucky's his first year.

A young, promising roster his second year that featured Bray and Hunter getting hurt. Lathers getting hurt. Janzen getting kicked off. In their place we start Simms/Worley, Zach Rogers, two freshman LBs, and a freshman safety.
Three senior classes that were left for him that have been awful beyond comprehension.

And 2-3 mid to late round NFL draft picks left to him.

Think that contributed at all?

and we just got gashed by 2 freshman RB and a freshman right tackle

 

[82_VOL_83]

that I actually opened this post thinking there may be something here other than hatred......another one on ignore.

 

[BonesVol]

I bet.

Seriously, are you paranoid or something? Have a drink with me and i'll tell you how to have a life! No big deal man, you're focusing on things that are out of your control and it's causing too much stress. I do believe I can help you though.

 

[NeylandArmy]

I'll agree that those are all embarrassing, but so was the roster he inherited.

 

[Dekram]

People are going to make jabs on either side of this discussion, in the long run our opinions have very little impact on what happens. The thing all this does have an impact on is recruiting. For a Vol fan to post so much negativity on boards daily, we will be lucky if any big name recruits come to the Hill to play their next 4 years.

We live in a social environment where people seek info at the click of the mouse, if you are one of those that think what gets posted on a message board does not impact decisions, don't cry like babies when top recruits decide to go elsewhere. If I had a son who was being recruited by UT and he had other offers from big schools, UT would not be getting my blessing based on all the fire DD threads and posts.

I also wouldnt base where my son was going to school based on message boards just a thought....

It deserves to be talked about because the team hasnt performed and has quit in games. Even Bray said they quit in the FLorida game in interview after Saturdays game.

Only difference in this game is the offense didnt quit and the d got some turnovers late. At least we got 4 quarters from one side of the ball.

 

[smokeyhuntsgators]

I see no one has attempted to answer the question in the OP. I'll ask again, if UT were looking to hire a coach right now and one of the candidates had career marks as Dooley does, would you consider him worthy of the position?

I am considered a negavol and will answer your question in the OP..If it were up to me to hire a new coach, I would be looking for a coach with a winning record and a history of having success wherever he coached in his perspective career.:salute:

 

[thebjd]

And the season isn't over.

Uga is a top 5 team

Florida is in the top 10.

We could go 6-1 and get into a damn good bowl.

Florida wouldn't be in the top ten if we beat them. We can actually hurt our opponents if we beat them. It is a wonderful concept.

 

[smokeyhuntsgators]

So now we are comparing Dooley to Bear Bryant. Unreal.

You're not kidding it's unreal.:shakehead:

 

[sjt18]

People are equating the talent that Saban developed to the talent Saban was given. Most coaches would be around 7-9 wins/year with the talent that Saban was left with. By Week 5 in Year 2 Saban was using a 3* recruit Senior QB, a 3* recruit JR RB and a True Freshman WR as his main offensive playmakers.

Pretty misleading since that team only avg'd 27 ppg. It was a defense led team with several future NFL stars on it.

No question Saban is a great coach. The question is whether he inherited a roster even close to as bad as the one Dooley inherited. The answer is NO.

There is a distinct difference. With that squad Dooley would have likely gone 6-6 at best and everyone would be lamenting how Dooley only had 3*s to start and he didn't have enough upperclassmen with any experience, etc etc etc.

So here we have it. Your opinion about what Dooley would have done with a much better roster than he inherited is now the proof you base your opinion on.

I don't know nor care how Dooley would have done with that team. I honestly do not care about the last two years. I care about the next 7 games. That IS his career as far as I am concerned.

With that said, there isn't any fair comparison with Dooley. His record is absolutely abysmal.

Context.

No more excuses. No more finger-pointing.

Really? You are going to stop pointing fingers? That would be refreshing.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Are the OP's stats wrong? Best I can figure, probably not. They are quoted in many threads throughout this forum and I've even heard some quoted on game broadcasts.

Are there extenuating circumstances. Best I can figure, probably yes. They too are discussed repeatedly throughout this forum and yes I've even heard some referenced in game broadcasts.

This is a rebuilding job. No doubt. No one wanted it or at least no evidence has surfaced to suggest otherwise. None that I've seen. Is the rebuilding taking longer than many desire? No doubt. Are we making progress? I really think the answer is yes in many ways except for one. What really counts to the masses at the end of the day is bragging rights and that means we have to win. We're not doing that yet. The GA game was good in some ways but the idea that we finally had figured out how to fight for 60 min probably reminded some of the praise being handed to Vandy last year. For others it was a sign that maybe, just maybe, our Freshmen and Sophomores from last year are one year older, a bit more mature, and maybe, just maybe, headed in the right direction.

Will we ever consistently beat the elite in our conference again and thus regain that elite status once more for ourselves? Who really knows. If we do and with CDD at the helm what will happen to all his detractors? Will they magically disappear? What if we don't recover our good name in the next 3 or 4 years? Will all the supporters finally go over to the dark side?

Stay tuned. A new episode of as VolNation turns is rehearsing even now for airing at 9 PM eastern time on Oct 13, live from Starkville, MS.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

If the rah-rah crowd can wax about going in the right direction all the time then so can the rest of us.

It has nothing to do with being "rah-rah" it has to do with keeping the recruiting process we have going.
Getting our roster where it needs to be, then when DD lays an egg, we can fire him with confidence that we could get any coach we want.
No top tier coach will come here if he sees beforehand that all he will get is 3 years to rebuild.

You have to honor the contract, then let the chips fall where they may.

 

[tnvols72]

It has nothing to do with being "rah-rah" it has to do with keeping the recruiting process we have going.
Getting our roster where it needs to be, then when DD lays an egg, we can fire him with confidence that we could get any coach we want.
No top tier coach will come here if he sees beforehand that all he will get is 3 years to rebuild.

You have to honor the contract, then let the chips fall where they may.

Why does Dooleys contract need to be honored ? If that's the case how come Fulmers contract wasn't honored?
If Dooley was winning, there would be no negavols. People don't care who the coach is as long as Tn wins and I'm not talking about beating up on FCS schools ky,vandy.
I wonder how many VN posters that are defending Dooley are the same ones that was calling for Fulmers head.

 

[JayVols]

Noone's 'comparing'. Just asked a question.

Where were Bryant's losing records in those seasons?

 

[Vol Main]

stats dont lie?

Without perspective, they can be very misleading.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

It has nothing to do with being "rah-rah" it has to do with keeping the recruiting process we have going.
Getting our roster where it needs to be, then when DD lays an egg, we can fire him with confidence that we could get any coach we want.
No top tier coach will come here if he sees beforehand that all he will get is 3 years to rebuild.

You have to honor the contract, then let the chips fall where they may.

A coach who wins, would not be canned in 3 years. If a head coach thinks he is worthy of a job like Tennessee, he knows he has to produce. If he feels he needs half a decade to get things on track, he should not be looking for a job like UT. UF played a freshman RB alot vs us. They have a young QB, only 1 SR on the Oline, Their DB's are both SO's, and they are not looking for excuses. Uga plays alot of underclassmen as well. They just play the game and compete. If you Doolanders think we will ever have 20 SR's starting for this team all ranked as a 5 star prospect with 4.3 speed you need to wake up. Coaches are paid to coach. They take the players they have and compete NOW. NOT 3-4 years from now. You don't get a pass just because the situation is not ideal. I am starting to think that some of our fans feel they need an excuse for the losing. They seek out anything to point at as to why this team continues to fail and it allows them to deal with it and keep pointing to better days ahead.

As for the recruiting and the thought that if we fire Dools now it would set us back 5 years is just lame. Do you not think that recruits are starting to see the Dooley project has failed? He talks a good game, he just can not coach one. Recruits are not looking to go somewhere to fight for last place in the SEC. There is a reason Vandy is ahead of us in recruiting. There is a reason we have been looking for a game changer at RB for 3 years now. Yes, it is just October. As the loses pile up, it's just going to get worse. A proven winner would boost recruiting from day 1.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

Why does Dooleys contract need to be honored ? If that's the case how come Fulmers contract wasn't honored?
If Dooley was winning, there would be no negavols. People don't care who the coach is as long as Tn wins and I'm not talking about beating up on FCS schools ky,vandy.
I wonder how many VN posters that are defending Dooley are the same ones that was calling for Fulmers head.

Well, one reason is he came into a dumpster fire and made the best out of a bad situation. You have to show future coaches you will give them time to do what they need to do.
The Fulmer decision was what it was. Hamilton was under great pressure to get rid of him.