Want To Know What's Really Embarrassing?

[UTCorey]

I don't see how the Tennessee program is any better than when fulmer left. He was 5-7 when he got fired then when kiffin came in we went 7-6. If we finish 7-6 this year, and we were 5-7 last year then the only thing the program did was go in a circle. I'm not suggesting fulmer shouldn't have got fired at all. But Dooley needs to be held accountable for the wins and losses like any other coach. I'm not sure a coach with the same results at a lesser school would be retained let a lone Tennessee.

 

[terrypedigo]

Defending the following.

14-16 Record-A quarter into his third year, with the best win being over Cincinnati.

4-14 Record-In the SEC, best win is over a 6 win Vanderbilt team.

0-19-Career record against ranked opponets.

36-15-Average margin of defeat against ranked opponets.

6-Number of 30+ point losses while at UT. 5 from SEC opponets.

1-8-Road record in the SEC, lone win was against Vanderbilt.

26-The streak that ended against UK last year in what has to be the lowest of all lows.

If UT were looking to hire a new head coach and one of the candidates career numbers looked like this, would he be someone you would consider worthy for the position?

WARM UP THE U HAUL AND WE WILL PITCH IN FOR GAS MONEY TO GET HIM OUT OF TOWN.:clapping:

 

[TXA&M07]

Those stats are brutal.

 

[jdbeard]

finally someone who gets it! glad to see these stats have finally seen the light of day..to top it off we couldnt even beat a team pick to beat us by 2 touchdowns! when we get new coach we will instantly get back to our winning ways of 4 yrs wait 5 yrs wait 6 years ago dang it! 10 years ago yeah 11 years ago before CDD got here and screwed it all up!
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[m1al]

First, how about you answer the question in the OP?

OK, I'll give this a shot..

Technically there are two questions but I assume you are talking about this one..

If UT were looking to hire a new head coach and one of the candidates career numbers looked like this, would he be someone you would consider worthy for the position?

Seriously? No and if those numbers were all I had to go by I doubt I would even give the mystery contestant a courtesy interview to learn anything more than his name...

Is that what you wanted to hear? Frankly it's an irrelevant question because we aren't interviewing Dooley for the job.. He already has the job..

I'm not going to rehash the woes of UT Football over the past 6 or 8 years or describe ad nauseum the arm pit of a program Dooley inherited.. We've all heard it and serves no purpose..

You have probably labeled me a Doolander, Dool-aid slurper, sunshine pumper or whatever.. However you might be surprised to know I did not like the hire and I have never really thought Dooley was the guy that would bring championships back to UT. That being said, Hammy totally botched the whole fire CPF hire a new coach process.. He had NO plan in place at all so when the job opened up 'big name coaches', like we wanted, took about a 90 sec look at the shambles UT's Football program was in and said "appreciate the offer but no thanks"..

So we ended up with Dooley... Since then, I think we all can agree, the man has worked his ass off.. He by all accounts is a good and decent man that loves this job (a lot more than I can say for Kiffy). Considering the seasons we've had of late he has done a pretty good job recruiting and has almost re-stocked the cupboard, so to speak... He has fixed a few things, taken out some 'trash' and has this program looking MUCH MORE attractive to a future 'big name hire'.. IMO, he for all intents and purposes he is/has been a hi paid interim coach.. For this the man has my respect..

However, I believe if you fire him with out a well thought out plan in place with a competent successor practically waiting in the wings to take control (especially if it's a mid season firing) you seriously run the risk of doing much more damage than you perceive Dooley has done and/or is doing...

Regardless, barring a monster meltdown to the season, Dooley will be here next year and all the message board whining in the world will not change that...

Sorry this was so long winded...

Now it's your turn... Your plan sir...

Peace and GO VOLS...

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

People keep talking about the mess Dooley walked into here. Yes, Fulmer had a couple down years and his recruiting classes ended up in the 20's-30's. Oh how people forget that 2 of the last 4 were ranked in the top 5. Yes, TOP 5. It all comes down to taking that talent and coaching it. A kid is only a 5 star talent as they project him to be a early contributer in college. He can make an impact right away. He still needs to be coached and that is where our troubles start. Maggitt and Johnson are 2 prime examples. IMO, if they were on another team they would be talked about alot. They would be making alot of plays and helping win games. Here they are just part of a group that is baing made a joke of everytime they take the field. 500 yards a game, it's like a video game and our team is set on beginner and the other team is on heisman.

 

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[Big Orange fan]

I would say it is embarassing that we wasted a timeout for once again not having the right amount of men on the field for a field goal attempt. We could have used that timeout later in the game. I'm not immpressed with Dooley.That being said proud to see the way the team fought for 60 minutes.

 

[KoachKletus]

You stated an opinion about no other coach wanting the job, I stated nothing but facts.

Still waiting for someone to respond to the question in the OP.

I believe one poster did respond in a congenial manner. You just refused to acknowledge it. You put a list of stats together that tell half of the story. CDD is rebuilding this team. I saw marked improvement against Ga. We didn't get the win. Wah. I fully expect this team to knock the snot out of MS and to go toe to toe with 'bama - if not beat them. They keep playing like they did on Saturday - it's possible to win out. What more could you ask for? (defense),go ahead and say it.

 

[daj2576]

Upsets happen all the time. He could
Win the next 3 and he would still be 3-19.

You want to defend that record?

Ask Johnny Majors if he would.

He had very similar stats, in a much weaker SEC.

What you just said is revealing: you are trying to make others defend out of context facts used in the OP while admitting that no matter what Dooley does this year or in the future you will not support him.

So if Dooley goes 9-3 this year, you are done (thats 5-3 in SEC)? What about 8-4?
Both of those scenarios are better than Majors first three years at UT or Sabans first three years at MSU.

I will say this: below 8-4 and I will be looking hard at reasons to suggest if he should be kept.

No amount of continued negativity will change his fate. This year will be played out, like it or not.

 

[vol_in_ar]

Yet, UT did know these things when they hired Dooley. You know what stat you are not putting in there? No one else wanted the job. I don't know why people can't understand that. We took the best coach that would take the job. Tradition be damned. That is the state of UT football three years ago. Who knows if he is the right guy for the job. He's our coach now.

for $5MM a year, we could have gotten a better coach
Hamilton went cheap

 

[daj2576]

Shows a complete lack of knowledge.

He made a very silly statement. Context is everything.

What if there was a newspaper article that said "Joe Smith kills two". Nothing else. The numbers don't lie, two are dead. But why?

What if Joe Smith was a soldier and the dead were Taliban?

What if Joe Smith walked up on a gang rape and killed the two rapists?

What if Joe Smith was a drunk driver and the two were infants he ran over?

What if Joe Smith was a serial killer?

Numbers dont lie, context is everything. This is why most people dont get paid to evaluate numbers because it is far more difficult than it appears.

 

[theFallGuy]

Memphis radio making fun of UT fans for being self-congratulating for losing to UGA

 

[BonesVol]

He made a very silly statement. Context is everything.

What if there was a newspaper article that said "Joe Smith kills two". Nothing else. The numbers don't lie, two are dead. But why?

What if Joe Smith was a soldier and the dead were Taliban?

What if Joe Smith walked up on a gang rape and killed the two rapists?

What if Joe Smith was a drunk driver and the two were infants he ran over?

What if Joe Smith was a serial killer?

Numbers dont lie, context is everything. This is why most people dont get paid to evaluate numbers because it is far more difficult than it appears.

I'm sure that was about 10-20 feet over his head.

 

[UTBasketball2]

Memphis radio making fun of UT fans for being self-congratulating for losing to UGA

Memphis probably can't even score on a SEC team and I think some people in here think they could out coach Dooley.

 

[orangeluvr]

I wonder why it is only the young kids who play for UT that need to be brought along slow and allowed to screw up for 2-3 years while we learn life lessons and grow as a team. Oddly enough I see freshman for other teams roasting our JRs. I see 2nd year kids playing for other teams making our 3rd year guys look silly. Our fans want to accept it as "growth" while other teams just expect a player on the field to do his job and they expect to win. This whole "we need time to rebuild" is just another BS excuse for not getting it done.

Scholarship limits slowed rebuilding down for every program. I share some of your sentiments b/c I see the same things also. Those ga rbs looked way better than ours. October will be very telling.

 

[Volosaurus rex]

Well, I see that I am quite late to this debate. To respond to the original poster, those are all unquestionably valid statistical points. Personally, I have supported every head coach at UT, including Kiffin, throughout the peaks ands valleys of his tenure. Why? Because he was/is the standardbearer for my beloved alma mater's football program. In the 44 years that I have followed the Big Orange, the only situation comparable to what Dooley inherited is the state of the program when Johnny Majors seized the reins in 1977.

After issuing his famous proclamation that "the cupboard was bare," Majors went 21-23-1 in his first four years, with only one winning season (1979). He began to achieve some traction during the next four years (1981-1984), posting a record of 30-16-2, but did not return us to elite/championship status until 1985. His combined record for the preceding eight seasons was a most unremarkable 51-39-3 and included losses to Kentucky in 1977, 1981, and 1984, and Vanderbilt in 1984. In today's toxic atmosphere of instant gratification, I dare say that Majors would never have survived long enough to win three SEC championships.

Given its tradition, Tennessee is not a difficult program to maintain but it is a very tough one to rebuild due to our weak instate recruiting base. If anything, Dooley inherited a worse situation than Majors, who simply had to rebuild talent and that was a slow enough process (16 years between Dickey's last conference championship and Majors' first). We are all aware of the attrition Dooley has had to contend with as a result of the Fulmer-Kiffin-Dooley transition; it cost us the equivalent of a full recruiting class and gutted leadership that upperclassmen would otherwise have provided. In short, Dooley hasn't had to merely rebuild the program; he first had to fill in the subterranean crater left by his predecessors. Patience is the most priceless virtue among sports fans and it is one we will still have to exercise if we want to reclaim our rightful place among college football's elite.

 

[BonesVol]

Well, I see that I am quite late to this debate. To respond to the original poster, those are all unquestionably valid statistical points. Personally, I have supported every head coach at UT, including Kiffin, throughout the peaks ands valleys of his tenure. Why? Because he was/is the standardbearer for my beloved alma mater's football program. In the 44 years that I have followed the Big Orange, the only situation comparable to what Dooley inherited is the state of the program when Johnny Majors seized the reins in 1977.

After issuing his famous proclamation that "the cupboard was bare," Majors went 21-23-1 in his first four years, with only one winning season (1979). He began to achieve some traction during the next four years (1981-1984), posting a record of 30-16-2, but did not return us to elite/championship status until 1985. His combined record for the preceding eight seasons was a most unremarkable 51-39-3 and included losses to Kentucky in 1977, 1981, and 1984, and Vanderbilt in 1984. In today's toxic atmosphere of instant gratification, I dare say that Majors would never have survived long enough to win three SEC championships.

Given its tradition, Tennessee is not a difficult program to maintain but it is a very tough one to rebuild due to our weak instate recruiting base. If anything, Dooley inherited a worse situation than Majors, who simply had to rebuild talent and that was a slow enough process (16 years between Dickey's last conference championship and Majors' first). We are all aware of the attrition Dooley has had to contend with as a result of the Fulmer-Kiffin-Dooley transition; it cost us the equivalent of a full recruiting class and gutted leadership that upperclassmen would otherwise have provided. In short, Dooley hasn't had to merely rebuild the program; he first had to fill in the subterranean crater left by his predecessors. Patience is the most priceless virtue among sports fans and it is one we will still have to exercise if we want to reclaim our rightful place among college football's elite.

You're talking way too sensible for this forum. I like it though. We need some people to explain this stuff. I'm just ready to put a finger in most of their faces. :yes: Now I just want to stand behind you and say, "Yeah" everytime you post.

 

[thebjd]

I believe one poster did respond in a congenial manner. You just refused to acknowledge it. You put a list of stats together that tell half of the story. CDD is rebuilding this team. I saw marked improvement against Ga. We didn't get the win. Wah. I fully expect this team to knock the snot out of MS and to go toe to toe with 'bama - if not beat them. They keep playing like they did on Saturday - it's possible to win out. What more could you ask for? (defense),go ahead and say it.

He did leave off the largest defeat in the history of Neyland occurred under Dooley as well as the largest beatdown Bama has put on us in 100 years of playing each other. He also left off the three year decline in recruiting. Is that the half of the story to which you are referring?

 

[oregonvol]

Defending the following.

14-16 Record-A quarter into his third year, with the best win being over Cincinnati.

4-14 Record-In the SEC, best win is over a 6 win Vanderbilt team.

0-19-Career record against ranked opponets.

36-15-Average margin of defeat against ranked opponets.

6-Number of 30+ point losses while at UT. 5 from SEC opponets.

1-8-Road record in the SEC, lone win was against Vanderbilt.

26-The streak that ended against UK last year in what has to be the lowest of all lows.

If UT were looking to hire a new head coach and one of the candidates career numbers looked like this, would he be someone you would consider worthy for the position?

but man, you forgot, we had a bad offseason before he got here. it's a scientific fact that it takes at least 7 years of utter mediocrity to make up for 1 bad offseason.

 

[volbreaker]

Well, I see that I am quite late to this debate. To respond to the original poster, those are all unquestionably valid statistical points. Personally, I have supported every head coach at UT, including Kiffin, throughout the peaks ands valleys of his tenure. Why? Because he was/is the standardbearer for my beloved alma mater's football program. In the 44 years that I have followed the Big Orange, the only situation comparable to what Dooley inherited is the state of the program when Johnny Majors seized the reins in 1977.

After issuing his famous proclamation that "the cupboard was bare," Majors went 21-23-1 in his first four years, with only one winning season (1979). He began to achieve some traction during the next four years (1981-1984), posting a record of 30-16-2, but did not return us to elite/championship status until 1985. His combined record for the preceding eight seasons was a most unremarkable 51-39-3 and included losses to Kentucky in 1977, 1981, and 1984, and Vanderbilt in 1984. In today's toxic atmosphere of instant gratification, I dare say that Majors would never have survived long enough to win three SEC championships.

Given its tradition, Tennessee is not a difficult program to maintain but it is a very tough one to rebuild due to our weak instate recruiting base. If anything, Dooley inherited a worse situation than Majors, who simply had to rebuild talent and that was a slow enough process (16 years between Dickey's last conference championship and Majors' first). We are all aware of the attrition Dooley has had to contend with as a result of the Fulmer-Kiffin-Dooley transition; it cost us the equivalent of a full recruiting class and gutted leadership that upperclassmen would otherwise have provided. In short, Dooley hasn't had to merely rebuild the program; he first had to fill in the subterranean crater left by his predecessors. Patience is the most priceless virtue among sports fans and it is one we will still have to exercise if we want to reclaim our rightful place among college football's elite.

That just DRIPS with authority and wisdom. Rock on Rex!!

 

[volbreaker]

I would say it is embarassing that we wasted a timeout for once again not having the right amount of men on the field for a field goal attempt. We could have used that timeout later in the game. I'm not immpressed with Dooley.That being said proud to see the way the team fought for 60 minutes.

Troll, is that you?

 

[Jax_Vol]

Having the user name GahLee????

 

[volbreaker]

He made a very silly statement. Context is everything.

What if there was a newspaper article that said "Joe Smith kills two". Nothing else. The numbers don't lie, two are dead. But why?

What if Joe Smith was a soldier and the dead were Taliban?

What if Joe Smith walked up on a gang rape and killed the two rapists?

What if Joe Smith was a drunk driver and the two were infants he ran over?

What if Joe Smith was a serial killer?

Numbers dont lie, context is everything. This is why most people dont get paid to evaluate numbers because it is far more difficult than it appears.

Freaking SWEET post!!!!! THIS!!!!

 

[volbreaker]

Memphis radio making fun of UT fans for being self-congratulating for losing to UGA

.......oh crap......and they usually LOVE us. DARN!!!