Von Pearson Update

[butchna]

“I don’t want that to take away from all the great things that are going on in this football program,” Jones said Saturday after the Orange and White Game at Neyland Stadium. “That’s an ongoing situation. He is suspended indefinitely. But there are consequences for choices and actions. And we constantly educate our players. It’s not an illustration of our football program. We have tremendous, tremendous kids in our football program. I’m disappointed, but we have to move forward. We have a lot of great kids, and a lot of great things going on here. I know people try to use that against us. But we have great kids. I think that’s been proven, with our community service, with our academic excellence, and we will continue to move forward. But there are consequences for actions.”

That's pretty clear to me that he's blaming Von for making a bad decision and putting himself in that situation.

Bad decision I get...don't think Butch believes attending a party is. "Putting himself in a bad situation"...if so he would have used words or something.

 

[KBVol]

“I don’t want that to take away from all the great things that are going on in this football program,” Jones said Saturday after the Orange and White Game at Neyland Stadium. “That’s an ongoing situation. He is suspended indefinitely. But there are consequences for choices and actions. And we constantly educate our players. It’s not an illustration of our football program. We have tremendous, tremendous kids in our football program. I’m disappointed, but we have to move forward. We have a lot of great kids, and a lot of great things going on here. I know people try to use that against us. But we have great kids. I think that’s been proven, with our community service, with our academic excellence, and we will continue to move forward. But there are consequences for actions.”

That's pretty clear to me that he's blaming Von for making a bad decision and putting himself in that situation.

Again, SOP. Did you expect him to say "Von didn't do it but I'm suspending him anyway"? Of course not.... he suspended as he should have given the seriousness of the accusation and made a statement consistent with his action/the suspension. Fact is, we have no idea what kind of "situation" Von did or didn't put himself in. All we know is that despite a lot of guessing and speculation, he's now working out in Anderson Training Center, is enrolled in Summer classes and he still hasn't been charged 6 weeks later.

 

[Wolfeman_Vol]

Again, SOP. Did you expect him to say "Von didn't do it but I'm suspending him anyway"? Of course not.... he suspended as he should have given the seriousness of the accusation and made a statement consistent with his action/the suspension. Fact is, we have no idea what kind of "situation" Von did or didn't put himself in. All we know is that despite a lot of guessing and speculation, he's now working out in Anderson Training Center, is enrolled in Summer classes and he still hasn't been charged 6 weeks later.

Brother, I been singing this song all night. I hope yours sinks in!

 

[gunner]

Again, SOP. Did you expect him to say "Von didn't do it but I'm suspending him anyway"? Of course not.... he suspended as he should have given the seriousness of the accusation and made a statement consistent with his action/the suspension. Fact is, we have no idea what kind of "situation" Von did or didn't put himself in. All we know is that despite a lot of guessing and speculation, he's now working out in Anderson Training Center, is enrolled in Summer classes and he still hasn't been charged 6 weeks later.

Clearly, there is a disconnect here, when the head coach tells the media in plain English that he's is disappointed in the players decision, he's blaming the player for his poor decision and the coach is holding the player accountable for that poor decision. That's why Von is suspended from the team, because he put himself in that situation.

 

[Slydell]

Again, none of us know what happened or what this situation is, IMO.

 

[KBVol]

Clearly, there is a disconnect here, when the head coach tells the media in plain English that he's is disappointed in the players decision, he's blaming the player for his poor decision and the coach is holding the player accountable for that poor decision. That's why Von is suspended from the team, because he put himself in that situation.

We're at an impasse. I personally think it's more a case of Jones saying what needed to be said rather than giving some type of particular insight into what happened. Could be wrong, nobody knows. No worries. Hopefully no crime was committed and this will all be cleared up soon.....sure looks that way.

 

[sjt18]

Just a guess but there's probably a curfew for players that he violated by being at a party at that time on a school night during spring practices. At a minimum, he's guilty of that "bad decision".

 

[crusse10]

Just a guess but there's probably a curfew for players that he violated by being at a party at that time on a school night during spring practices. At a minimum, he's guilty of that "bad decision".

I thought there were only curfews right before games

 

[Coug]

Regardless of what you think, no one is coming after these players, it's the situations that they put themsels that is the cause for concern. I don't want to start preaching here but I am sure you get my point.

Hey brother, I'm not missing the point, but when there is immoral and unlawful activity going on at these parties, a reasonable person would conclude that they are putting themselves into these situations.

If you eat fruit from a poisoned tree, you should expect to be poisoned too. That's just common sense in my book.

Apparently gunner has never been wrongfully accused of anything in his life and has never heard of the idea. I mean if I was the one who shot JFK, even though I wasn't born yet, then I must have put myself into that situation and thus I deserve to go to jail for shooting JFK.

 

[gunner]

Apparently gunner has never been wrongfully accused of anything in his life and has never heard of the idea. I mean if I was the one who shot JFK, even though I wasn't born yet, then I must have put myself into that situation and thus I deserve to go to jail for shooting JFK.

I have made plenty of mistakes in my life, and I have been accused of things that I did not do several times, but nothing that rises to the level of criminal conduct. One thing is certain in each incident, I have looked at the situation to determine what I may have done to cause it, and each time, I have learned over the years that I need to be completely 100 percent blameless in my actions and behavior. If don't do anything wrong initially, I can't get accused of wrongful conduct as a result.

Was Von completely blameless in this situation? Not according to Coach Jones, he is clearly upset and angered by Von's behavior. What did Von do to anger his coach? I'm not exactly sure, because I don't have all the facts, but I do know that coach Jones is holding him accountable for his conduct, as he should.

 

[ericpVOL4LIFE]

Is there any way to block a thread ?

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Go easy on Gunner, fellows, what he's saying appears to be correct, based on the little we "know" (really just hearsay). IF Von intentionally followed a young woman into the bathroom, and IF he intentionally exposed himself to her without regard for her wishes, then he clearly put himself into a situation where he could be accused of some form of sexual harassment. And that's all Gunner is saying, is that Von made choices that he is now responsible for, beyond just "going to a party" or "going to the bathroom."

It's a reasonable conclusion, given what little we think we "know" ... from third-hand hearsay.

We just gotta wait to see, and (for me, at least) trust Butch to sort it out and make the right decisions for the program & university.

 

[WallyBalls]

It's definitely a different world than even 10 years ago. A prosecutor asks whether there was non-consensual sex (i.e. forcible sexual assault etc.). An administrator asks if there was affirmative consent. To the administrator, it doesn't matter that nothing was forced. It doesn't matter that both individuals were drunk. It wouldn't matter even if the girl initiated while drunk. Where there is an allegation, there must be an investigation, and the standard is "consent".

You have had some EXCELLENT posts about what is truly at the heart of all these incidents.

It's not one single incident...it's a change in culture that surrounds that magical word "consent".

Muddy waters is dead right.

 

[gunner]

Go easy on Gunner, fellows, what he's saying appears to be correct, based on the little we "know" (really just hearsay). IF Von intentionally followed a young woman into the bathroom, and IF he intentionally exposed himself to her without regard for her wishes, then he clearly put himself into a situation where he could be accused of some form of sexual harassment. And that's all Gunner is saying, is that Von made choices that he is now responsible for, beyond just "going to a party" or "going to the bathroom."

It's a reasonable conclusion, given what little we think we "know" ... from third-hand hearsay.

We just gotta wait to see, and (for me, at least) trust Butch to sort it out and make the right decisions for the program & university.

Thanks JP, I really appreciate your clarity, but some guys on here don't want to admit that Von was at fault in any way at all or put himself in that situation.

We don't know all the facts, but we can glean from Butch's comments to the media that Von did something wrong, and he is holding him accountable for it.

If it's what you suggest, it's up to law enforcement to decide if he will indeed be prosecuted for it. Von should be blameless in his actions, and if these rumors are true then he was in no way blameless.

As for Butch, I trust him implicitly in these matters. His reputation is at stake, and he has made it clear that this type of behavior won't be tolerated by any of his players in his program.

 

[butchna]

Go easy on Gunner, fellows, what he's saying appears to be correct, based on the little we "know" (really just hearsay). IF Von intentionally followed a young woman into the bathroom, and IF he intentionally exposed himself to her without regard for her wishes, then he clearly put himself into a situation where he could be accused of some form of sexual harassment. And that's all Gunner is saying, is that Von made choices that he is now responsible for, beyond just "going to a party" or "going to the bathroom."

It's a reasonable conclusion, given what little we think we "know" ... from third-hand hearsay.

We just gotta wait to see, and (for me, at least) trust Butch to sort it out and make the right decisions for the program & university.

Good perspective and points, but ole Gunner ole pal wasn't using that tack. Otherwise his opinion of the parties as "immoral" and full of "lawless activity" wouldn't have been ventured. My attempts to clarify his position that if you attend a party you are "you are putting yourself into a situation" were met with a reiteration of that opinion. I'm not a relic of the Beastie Boys creed YOU GOT TO FIGHT...FOR YOUR RIGHT...TO PARTY, but I thought that was way too narrow and unrealistic...so I said the same. :hi:

 

[KBVol]

Thanks JP, I really appreciate your clarity, but some guys on here don't want to admit that Von was at fault in any way at all or put himself in that situation.

We don't know all the facts, but we can glean from Butch's comments to the media that Von did something wrong, and he is holding him accountable for it.

If it's what you suggest, it's up to law enforcement to decide if he will indeed be prosecuted for it. Von should be blameless in his actions, and if these rumors are true then he was in no way blameless.

As for Butch, I trust him implicitly in these matters. His reputation is at stake, and he has made it clear that this type of behavior won't be tolerated by any of his players in his program.

No. We're not saying that Von was "in no way at fault"...we're saying that we don't know and you don't know and because of that, just flat out, point blank saying that he "put himself" into some type of untenable situation is wrong....because no one know at this point. He may well have.... or may be an innocent victim given how things have played out to this point seeing as how no charges have been filed and the wheels have been in motion for his imminent return. If you want to make absolute statements about the circumstances and facts of the event...when you don't know the circumstances and facts of the event, then go ahead...but expect some fair-minded, level-headed posters to counter your points.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Yeah, Butchna and Gunner (and KB), I can see where you guys are disagreeing, and there is a difference in your perspectives. At the same time, you're all three smart guys who see things really clearly, and I think you're probably 97% agreeing, while 3% disagreeing. The 3% is just highlighted yesterday and today.

 

[utvolpj]

Is there any way to block a thread ?

click 'Thread tools' drop-down at the top and then select 'Ignore this thread'

 

[gunner]

No. We're not saying that Von was "in no way at fault"...we're saying that we don't know and you don't know and because of that, just flat out, point blank saying that he "put himself" into some type of untenable situation is wrong....because no one know at this point. He may well have.... or may be an innocent victim given how things have played out to this point seeing as how no charges have been filed and the wheels have been in motion for his imminent return. If you want to make absolute statements about the circumstances and facts of the event...when you don't know the circumstances and facts of the event, then go ahead...but expect some fair-minded, level-headed posters to counter your points.

Unfortunately, I couldn't disagree more, there is nothing level headed about refusing to admit that Von put himself in that situation. Because, clearly according to coach Jones he did and its was unfortunate.

You are correct about one thing, we don't know all of the facts and circumstances regarding this incident. But, Coach Jones does have enough information to make an informed decision which is what he did when he suspend Von from the team indefinitely.

We do know that Von was NOT completely blameless in this incident, therefore, a reasonable person would and could conclude that Von put himself in a bad situation.

I believe in Coach Jones and I fully trust his judgement.

I believe that if he had learned that Von was not at any fault and completely blameless regarding these accusations, and if he had learned that the accusations were completely baseless then I fully believe that Coach Jones would have never suspended him and kept him on the team regardless of an ongoing police investigation or what the media may have reported to the public. But, obviously that wasn't the case.

I believe that Butch will fully back and support his players when they are wrongfully accused. On the other hand, Butch will discipline them as necessary. As is the case with Von.

 

[BigOrange15]

Unfortunately, I couldn't disagree more, there is nothing level headed about refusing to admit that Von put himself in that situation. Because, clearly according to coach Jones he did and its was unfortunate.

You are correct about one thing, we don't know all of the facts and circumstances regarding this incident. But, Coach Jones does have enough information to make an informed decision which is what he did when he suspend Von from the team indefinitely.

We do know that Von was NOT completely blameless in this incident, therefore, a reasonable person would and could conclude that Von put himself in a bad situation.

I believe in Coach Jones and I fully trust his judgement.

I believe that if he had learned that Von was not at any fault and completely blameless regarding these accusations, and if he had learned that the accusations were completely baseless then I fully believe that Coach Jones would have never suspended him and kept him on the team regardless of an ongoing police investigation or what the media may have reported to the public. But, obviously that wasn't the case.

I believe that Butch will fully back and support his players when they are wrongfully accused. On the other hand, Butch will discipline them as necessary. As is the case with Von.

I think that even if Butch was almost positive that Von did nothing, he still would have suspended him given how the situation played out. Especially given the current climate. In the eyes of media and onlookers, it doesn't matter what Butch THINKS he knows, it matters that the situation and Von are under investigation and yet he is still continuing as normal.

 

[butchna]

Unfortunately, I couldn't disagree more, there is nothing level headed about refusing to admit that Von put himself in that situation. Because, clearly according to coach Jones he did and its was unfortunate.

You are correct about one thing, we don't know all of the facts and circumstances regarding this incident. But, Coach Jones does have enough information to make an informed decision which is what he did when he suspend Von from the team indefinitely.

We do know that Von was NOT completely blameless in this incident, therefore, a reasonable person would and could conclude that Von put himself in a bad situation.

I believe in Coach Jones and I fully trust his judgement.

I believe that if he had learned that Von was not at any fault and completely blameless regarding these accusations, and if he had learned that the accusations were completely baseless then I fully believe that Coach Jones would have never suspended him and kept him on the team regardless of an ongoing police investigation or what the media may have reported to the public. But, obviously that wasn't the case.

I believe that Butch will fully back and support his players when they are wrongfully accused. On the other hand, Butch will discipline them as necessary. As is the case with Von.

Coleman Thomas sat until he was cleared and Butch didn't hand out one testimonial until all was done. We know by now that this is how he handles such situations. Haven't heard yet where he issued any public support for an accused player. Who did I miss?

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Unfortunately, I couldn't disagree more, there is nothing level headed about refusing to admit that Von put himself in that situation. Because, clearly according to coach Jones he did and its was unfortunate.

You are correct about one thing, we don't know all of the facts and circumstances regarding this incident. But, Coach Jones does have enough information to make an informed decision which is what he did when he suspend Von from the team indefinitely.

We do know that Von was NOT completely blameless in this incident, therefore, a reasonable person would and could conclude that Von put himself in a bad situation.

I believe in Coach Jones and I fully trust his judgement.

I believe that if he had learned that Von was not at any fault and completely blameless regarding these accusations, and if he had learned that the accusations were completely baseless then I fully believe that Coach Jones would have never suspended him and kept him on the team regardless of an ongoing police investigation or what the media may have reported to the public. But, obviously that wasn't the case.

I believe that Butch will fully back and support his players when they are wrongfully accused. On the other hand, Butch will discipline them as necessary. As is the case with Von.

Until it is reported that no charges will be filed againse Von, he will remain suspended. CBJ did not reinstate Coleman Thomas until he was publicly cleared.

I don't understand this judgmental attitude that you are displaying. There have been many people that have been accused of wrongdoing, both personal and criminal. I have been accused of both. I've never been charged or arrested but I have been accused. Accusations are easy to make. There is not a litmus test that one must pass to make an accusation against another individual.

What has struck me as odd is that this young lady went to the restroom and somehow Von followed her in there. Was he right behind her? Did he force his way into the restroom? Did she not lock the door? Did she let him in?

 

[KBVol]

Unfortunately, I couldn't disagree more, there is nothing level headed about refusing to admit that Von put himself in that situation. Because, clearly according to coach Jones he did and its was unfortunate.

You are correct about one thing, we don't know all of the facts and circumstances regarding this incident. But, Coach Jones does have enough information to make an informed decision which is what he did when he suspend Von from the team indefinitely.

We do know that Von was NOT completely blameless in this incident, therefore, a reasonable person would and could conclude that Von put himself in a bad situation.

I believe in Coach Jones and I fully trust his judgement.

I believe that if he had learned that Von was not at any fault and completely blameless regarding these accusations, and if he had learned that the accusations were completely baseless then I fully believe that Coach Jones would have never suspended him and kept him on the team regardless of an ongoing police investigation or what the media may have reported to the public. But, obviously that wasn't the case.

I believe that Butch will fully back and support his players when they are wrongfully accused. On the other hand, Butch will discipline them as necessary. As is the case with Von.

No, we don't know whether or not Von was "blameless". What if the accusation was completely bogus?

Ok, since you evidently know stuff that nobody else does, why don't you give us all the facts of the "bad situation that Von put himself in", beyond being at Pig Howard's apartment and being up late? What were they? Not what our drunk frat kid said, not what the young lady accused Von of....give us the actual facts of EXACTLY what happened since you're the only one who evidently knows and can state unequivocally that Von "put himself in a bad situation". And don't hide behind Jones' canned public statement....give us the details of "the situation" that Von put himself in. Go ahead. And any evidence that you have beyond the hearsay (and evidently unfounded accusation) that you have would be much appreciated as well. Of course, I'm only expecting a rehash of your recent posts which are pretty much only your opinion based on very limited and questionable information at this point.

Btw, I fully trust Jones as well and believe he's handled each individual case to point very well. But make no mistake, he had absolutely no choice to make the by the book suspensions of Pearson, AJ and Williams. However, please also take note of the fact that Von is back in the Anderson Training facility working out and that he's enrolled in summer classes.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

is this over yet?

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

is this over yet?

not even close