Von Pearson Update

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He could enroll in second session with Kelly and Picou. Nobody thought Michael Williams was coming back, but Von's situation is very different.
 
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Maybe there are no classes Von could take during the first session. I don't think him not being enrolled necessary means anything.
 
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Dragon18 said:
Much respect to you JP! Not many on these pages have the intellectual honesty to go back and reread to verify their position and be open to change it if necessary.
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Thanks, Dragon. Gotta admit when I'm wrong, because I am so often. :)

drylo said:
Yeah, he'd be more widely respected by everybody for standing up for his guy--you know, just like Jimbo Fisher is.
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Yeah, there's a huge difference between standing up for your players when you're positive they're innocent, as I think and hope Butch would do, and the kind of cover Fisher gave repeat-idiot Winston. World of difference. I'm sure you can see that.

SJAVol32 said:
Von is not enrolled in summer classes according to this article.

https://shar.es/12bcAe
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So the University spokeswoman says he's not enrolled for summer courses, nor is his name listed in the student directory, but he does remain on the football roster. Meanwhile, the AD's spokesman says Von's status "remains the same." That leads to a few questions:

(1) Do you have to be enrolled in summer courses to be on the football team? To be in summer S&C training and/or the fall camp? I wouldn't think you'd have to be. Which means, maybe this doesn't signify much. On the other hand....

(2) What does it signify when one is on the football roster, but not listed in the student directory? You would think one must be a student at the university to be a football player at the university ... but is it possible to be a student at the university without being listed in the directory? IDK, seems weird, but there could be complexities that are not obvious to all this..

(3) The University spokeswoman apparently wasn't bothered at all by Von being on the football roster but not on the student directory. Seems wonky to me. But is it?

(4) The AD's spokesman said Von's status remains the same. Is that the same as in, "suspended but still a student, monitoring the situation on a day-to-day basis"? And does this make sense given what the University spokeswoman said?

Anyone with inside knowledge of University admission and eligibility rules and processes, please jump right in. This article adds more confusion than existed prior to it, by far.
 
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Now would be a great time for GFW to drop in with a lil update or if his previously posted opinion still atands.
 
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IDT it means anything. Von can enroll in July and join the team for fall camp. The coaches may prefer to see if the investigation will be officially closed in the next month.
 
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LA Vol said:
IDT it means anything. Von can enroll in July and join the team for fall camp. The coaches may prefer to see if the investigation will be officially closed in the next month.
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LA Vol, do all UT students come off the "student directory" each summer if they're not taking summer courses? Do you know?

If everyone comes off the directory unless taking summer courses, that would help all this make a lot more sense than it seems to so far.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
LA Vol, do all UT students come off the "student directory" each summer if they're not taking summer courses? Do you know?

If everyone comes off the directory unless taking summer courses, that would help all this make a lot more sense than it seems to so far.
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IDK for sure, but I would think the online directory is updated to reflect active students for that semester. It comes from the Registrar's Office, so they have the most current info. JMO, though.
 
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LA Vol said:
IDK for sure, but I would think the online directory is updated to reflect active students for that semester. It comes from the Registrar's Office, so they have the most current info. JMO, though.
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Thanks, that would certainly make more sense than the alternative.

So if that's right, this really is a non-story. He's not taking summer courses (so what?), he's not on the directory because he's not taking summer courses (ok), and he's still on the football roster (good), his status remains the same (no improvement, but no downgrade, either). == non-story.
 
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I wonder if the delay could be financial? Von was on full ride through spring semester, so maybe his suspension affects his scholarship renewal? Maybe UTAD or the university is holding off on the paperwork? Just a thought. Anybody know?
 
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Slydell said:
Again, none of us know what happened or what this situation is, IMO.
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Depends on who you ask. We have a ton of unofficial insiders.......that are on the outside.




Although there are a few credible posters that we can trust. Thank you to the few that bring the goods.:hi:
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Yeah, there's a huge difference between standing up for your players when you're positive they're innocent, as I think and hope Butch would do, and the kind of cover Fisher gave repeat-idiot Winston. World of difference. I'm sure you can see that.
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Because Jameis Winston is obviously a rapist. Obviously. I mean, he was accused after all. Nevermind that a handful of investigations all cleared him time and time again, and the girl appears to be completely full of it. He was accused, darn it--so obviously he is a rapist and Jimbo shouldn't interfere with his excommunication from polite society.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Yeah, you're right, William. I'd like to think Butch would stand up for his guys if he were absolutely sure they were completely innocent...and maybe he would...but as you point out, it is a practical impossibility to be THAT sure about someone else's actions when you weren't there to witness them yourself.

So I get your point. You are right.
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In my opinion, Butch is a standup guy, if he knew for certain that one of his players were accused of rape, sexual assault, or violence of any type against a woman were bogus and baseless, then YES Butch would stand up for his player.

But, it would take exculpatory evidence for Butch to back his player in that manner. For instance, Butch would have to know unequivocally that the allegations occurred on specific night and time at a certain party. The player would have to have numerous credible witnesses that could willingly testify that the player in question was NOT at the party on that night or had any contact whatsoever with the accuser.

There is no way in that scenario that I see Butch suspending a player who is completely blameless regardless of the politics.
 
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drylo said:
Because Jameis Winston is obviously a rapist. Obviously. I mean, he was accused after all. Nevermind that a handful of investigations all cleared him time and time again, and the girl appears to be completely full of it. He was accused, darn it--so obviously he is a rapist and Jimbo shouldn't interfere with his excommunication from polite society.
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Your brain is fixated on rape, Don Quixote. I was talking about the confirmed and admitted theft of merchandise in the form of crab legs, and the sophomoric decision to stand up in a very public space on university grounds and shout a vulgar internet meme. Those two genius decisions, which his head coach not only didn't take issue with, but actively praised and defended the malcreant's character in response.

Wouldn't see Butch doing that in a million years, no matter who the player. Because CBJ has standards as the "caretaker of the Tennessee Volunteer football program." Jimbo Fisher is only the caretaker of Jimbo Fisher's career, and the eligibility of any player who can help further it. That's the difference I was talking about, Don. It's a huge difference, one you should be able to see as well.
 
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drylo said:
Because Jameis Winston is obviously a rapist. Obviously. I mean, he was accused after all. Nevermind that a handful of investigations all cleared him time and time again, and the girl appears to be completely full of it. He was accused, darn it--so obviously he is a rapist and Jimbo shouldn't interfere with his excommunication from polite society.
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Drylo, I don't know how much you know about that case with Winston, but the reports by law enforcement have been made public. I have read them in full, and in my humble opinion, the police had probable cause to charge Winston with Sexual Battery as there was evidence to corroborate her accusations. The prosecutor just didn't move forward with the case; because, he felt that the victim would not make a particularly credible witness, and the fact that the police completely fouled up the initial evidence by not conducting a complete and through investigation after the victim reported the crime. Prosecutors have that discretion. Had Winston played for Butch, he would have likely been suspended pending the outcome of the investigation by the prosecutors office.

Butch has shown that he will suspend the player when the case and evidence has at least some merit.

Jimbo has shown that he will play anyone until they are charged with a serious felony crime by the police.
 
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VolsnRavens said:
This thread is making the off season completely unbearable. :thud:
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You go to the corner newsstand, for some reason buy Home and Garden, read it cover to cover and decide you hate it. The following week you go buy another. What the hell is wrong with you?

If you hate a thread, simply don't read it. Your off-season will apparently be much more bearable.

And here's a truth: if there's any REAL news about Von, like he's readmitted to the team, or permanently removed from the team, you'll see three or four new threads pop up to share the news. Happens every time. So you don't really need to come back here to get the big updates.

Just a suggestion.
 
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gunner said:
Drylo, I don't know how much you know about that case with Winston, but the reports by law enforcement have been made public. I have read them in full, and in my humble opinion, the police had probable cause to charge Winston with Sexual Battery as there was evidence to corroborate her accusations. The prosecutor just didn't move forward with the case; because, he felt that the victim would not make a particularly credible witness, and the fact that the police completely fouled up the initial evidence by not conducting a complete and through investigation after the victim reported the crime. Prosecutors have that discretion. Had Winston played for Butch, he would have likely been suspended pending the outcome of the investigation by the prosecutors office.

Butch has shown that he will suspend the player when the case and evidence has at least some merit.

Jimbo has shown that he will play anyone until they are charged with a serious felony crime by the police.
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I read in another thread or on another site that Winston gave her the Crabs. Maybe I read it on both or heard it at lunch the other day. Do I have my story straight???? or does it matter.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
You go to the corner newsstand, for some reason buy Home and Garden, read it cover to cover and decide you hate it. The following week you go buy another. What the hell is wrong with you?

If you hate a thread, simply don't read it. Your off-season will apparently be much more bearable.

And here's a truth: if there's any REAL news about Von, like he's readmitted to the team, or permanently removed from the team, you'll see three or four new threads pop up to share the news. Happens every time. So you don't really need to come back here to get the big updates.

Just a suggestion.
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I appreciate the post, it was more about how the off season gets on Vonation and what we are willing to deal with. I do come back to this thread hoping for positive news on Von. But you have to admit, some of the back and forth is just wacky. If it were edited on just the updates, it would be one or two pages. :hi:
 
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gunner said:
“I don’t want that to take away from all the great things that are going on in this football program,” Jones said Saturday after the Orange and White Game at Neyland Stadium. “That’s an ongoing situation. He is suspended indefinitely. But there are consequences for choices and actions. And we constantly educate our players. It’s not an illustration of our football program. We have tremendous, tremendous kids in our football program. I’m disappointed, but we have to move forward. We have a lot of great kids, and a lot of great things going on here. I know people try to use that against us. But we have great kids. I think that’s been proven, with our community service, with our academic excellence, and we will continue to move forward. But there are consequences for actions.”

That's pretty clear to me that he's blaming Von for making a bad decision and putting himself in that situation.
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Seems to me that it could be as simple as CBJ heard that the party had way too much stuff going on; that players had been warned to head to the door if this happens (someone calls the cops for noise/booze/whatever; player gets arrested); and that VP stayed. So even if the whole sexual assault angle completely vanished, he has a player who used poor judgment and violated team rules or coach's wishes, etc.

This whole thing reminds me of the saying that "nothing good happens after midnight." This sort of thing must turn coaches' hair grey.
 
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