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#177
#177
K-town Vol Fan said:
It was a close game that we lost literally by inches. We had a true freshman quarterback and no good receivers.

2012 we have an NFL quarterback 2 NFL receivers and and NFL tight end and we got blown out.

I'd say that's progress.
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I'd say that's another attempt on your part to set the bar so low that you can believe it was OK to lose to a Vandy team with two weeks to prepare and MORE talent even WITH those injuries.

If Dobbs has been the starter for 3 weeks and you've been working with the talent UT had at WR for about 15 weeks... then your excuse is completely invalid.

Part of a coach's job is to DEVELOP PLAYERS over the course of a season. If you look at it, the "success" UT had was on the development some of those guys came into the season with. The more dependent the players were on this staff to be ready to play... the less ready to play they appeared.
 
#179
#179
K-town Vol Fan said:
I tend to think his offense will fizzle out. The wildcat was a huge success when it first hit and now no one ever uses it. Malzahn got extremely lucky against Bama and even luckier against UGA.
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The problem is... that wasn't his offense. He likes to throw it more. You and others have excused UT's staff because they didn't have "their players"... well just wait until Malzahn has a QB who can throw and some WR's.

Butch has proven he can coach at this level, just ask Spurrier. Wonder what Mark Richt would say?
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No. He hasn't. I give credit for that but it is MORE than outweighed by almost losing to USA, being blown out 4 times, losing to a TERRIBLE UF team with a back up QB (funny how that's not an excuse for them vs UT), and then losing to an inferior Vandy team while being outcoached by Franklin.

A 5-7 record with a couple of anomalies does NOT prove he can coach.

The wins will come. I'm not going to be like you and decide hes not a good coach before he gets his fair chance.
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Please don't lie in stupid ways like this, OK? I have NOT decided that he is not a good coach. I HAVE simply pointed out the coaching this past season was subpar. There were talent issues but those did NOT excuse the games I mentioned above.

3 years from now if were 7-5 ill be right there with you but I'm going to stay positive and give the guy a chance before I start spreading hate.
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I don't hate him. I am actually being pretty polite toward him with my criticism. My edge comes out with those who just insist on excusing poor performance and those attempting to set the bar so low they can excuse future failure.
 
#180
#180
Oh . . Oh . . The sky is falling!
What are we going to do?
What I laugh at on way too many posters on here is looking at certain parts of certain games to determine if Tennessee is good or not.
Last time I checked, we whipped WKU, who all of these same posters said we would be lucky to win.
Last time I checked, we beat the #8 team in the nation, USCe; the same team who beat Mizzou and Clemson.
The only game I was embarrassed by seasons end that we lost was to FLA, the others were all either in the top 10 (4 of them) or between 20-30 in the rankings (GA and Vandy).
I know some of the posters are tired of hearing about the schedule, but remember:
Oregon on the road
Alabama on the road
Missouri on the road
Then, throw in Auburn and USCe at home and that's 5 teams in the Top10!
Quit worrying about Utah State and start thinking about Oklahoma in Norman.
Did you get all that? If not, just drink another one and shut up!
 
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#182
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jeffmcflurry27 said:
Then why was the 4th string QB still starting?
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Pretty safe bet that Peterman was the 4th string QB at that point.... and Jones never said that Ferguson was above Dobbs. It just "sounds" like a better excuse to say that Dobbs was 4th string.
 
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jeffmcflurry27 said:
That's exactly my point, sir.
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I'm afraid, I don't understand your point, then. Just a few posts up, on the same page, you alleged that Butch Jones endangered one of his players by starting him, when he was too injured to play, simply because all the other QBs were injured too. Now you're saying it was because the guy was too injured to play but was still better than non-injured guys. Which was it?
 
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The biggest jump for a player is between year one and year two. This team will tremendously improve next year, and Jones' record as a head coach proves that. The fact that anybody could come close to saying that the coaching was sub par this year is off their rocker. Who were the four blowouts too? Three of them where on the road and the fourth was to a team in the national championship who put up crazy rushing numbers on Alabama.

The Florida loss was bad, and so was the Vandy, but every first year coach will lose games like these, especially if they had a roster like we had. Get off your high horse and support the team, and quit acting like because they got blown out by four top ten ranked teams the coaching was horrible.
 
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oregonvol said:
I'm saying that I don't believe he was hurt in any significant way. Or are you suggesting that he was too injured to play but Butch played him anyway?
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I didn't suggest anything. I merely asked you a question. I tend to think his hand was bothering him. I saw it being worked on during the game (I forget which) on the sideline.

I don't know whether or how severely he was injured, but to my untrained eye his throws came out of his hand much better during, say, the Alabama game than it did the last couple. Of course it could be attributed to cold weather or some other non-injury related factor. It's just speculation on my part.
 
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sjt18 said:
Pretty safe bet that Peterman was the 4th string QB at that point.... and Jones never said that Ferguson was above Dobbs. It just "sounds" like a better excuse to say that Dobbs was 4th string.
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Butch also never said he wasn't. :)

You think Dobbs was 3rd string? Not that it really matters. Just curious as to your point.
 
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#189
VolMaster14 said:
5-7
7-6
6-7
5-7
5-7
5-7

That is who we are! The 90's and early 2000's are a lifetime ago!
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I know right? It's like these guys watch most of their Tennessee games on the History Channel.

That being said, the Vols are on the uptake and it will not be long until we are competing again on a National stage. That's something Utah State and Vandy will never do.
 
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#190
#190
Don't think we'll beat Florida next year, but I think it bodes well for us down the road that we're not playing them so early in the season.
 
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#193
vol4him said:
Oh . . Oh . . The sky is falling!
What are we going to do?
What I laugh at on way too many posters on here is looking at certain parts of certain games to determine if Tennessee is good or not.
Last time I checked, we whipped WKU, who all of these same posters said we would be lucky to win.
Last time I checked, we beat the #8 team in the nation, USCe; the same team who beat Mizzou and Clemson.
The only game I was embarrassed by seasons end that we lost was to FLA, the others were all either in the top 10 (4 of them) or between 20-30 in the rankings (GA and Vandy).
I know some of the posters are tired of hearing about the schedule, but remember:
Oregon on the road
Alabama on the road
Missouri on the road
Then, throw in Auburn and USCe at home and that's 5 teams in the Top10!
Quit worrying about Utah State and start thinking about Oklahoma in Norman.
Did you get all that? If not, just drink another one and shut up!
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JMHO, we whipped them on the scoreboard only. I know that is what matters, trust me - but aside from the record setting turnover fiasco that we took advantage of, I didn't see us just brutalizing them all over the field as the score would lead you to believe. :hi:
 
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Freak said:
Butch also never said he wasn't. :)

You think Dobbs was 3rd string? Not that it really matters. Just curious as to your point.
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I think the fact that UT had 4 qbs on the roster, and when they made the trip to either Oregon or Florida, that when they only took 3 of the 4 on the trip.... and the 1 QB that didn't make the trip was Dobbs..... the math wasn't difficult to do at that point - Dobbs was the 4th string QB.

Not sure why some refuse to acknowledge it. Did we really need Butch to make an announcement about it when it was very clear? Why would they go to a road game and leave their 3rd string QB at home while bringing their 4th string? Makes no sense.
 
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#197
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sjt18 said:
The "ridiculous" here are those who excuse poor coaching and blame lack of talent for everything. That's the true "disconnect".

There also seems to be a "disconnect" between what some of us BELIEVE AND SAY and what is CONVENIENT for some of the rest of you to say we believe and say.

Jones and company underperformed the potential of the '13 roster. I am on record saying that it will take a "good" job equivalent to a 7 win season this year for them to win 6 next fall. Guess that's a ridiculous expectation though, huh?
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In my opinion, a rush to judgement on "coaching ability" is at play here also. Past failure to properly develop talent into SEC caliber skills is readily apparent. Sorry, there is no instant "mix with water" and stand back fix.
 
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We can, should and will beat them. But they will pose challenges as they return a very experience team and we will be chock full of greenhorns. We just have to limit our rookie mistakes and wear them down.

I feel like there won't be any drop off on D-line as we go from experienced marginal talent to inexperienced high quality talent.

Oline pass blocking will be a concern early going but run blocking should be fine.

We will bring back Maggitt and hopefully AJ, plus tons of talent at LB.

Secondary will be much better, especially at nickel and non-Sutton CB. Wouldn't be surprised if McNeil gets knocked down to 2nd string Safety too.

Kicker will be a concern but I think we do well there.

Special teams will be much faster.

RBs should be better, could be much better if we stay healthy.

WRs & QBs will make leap that comes with experience.

Make no mistake, Utah State is key to bowling in 2014 as schedule is just about as tough as this year.
 
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#199
#199
It occurs to me that we need Butch to look at this as a stepping stone job the way the guy at Vandy does. That guy has a win at all cost now mentality, whereas Butch is in his dream job thinking he has a lifetime to get it right.
 
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#200
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fade route said:
It's really unfortunate to have to open the year in 2014 against them. They are a good football team that knocked off NIU last night and pretty much shut down Lynch. Win, and it will be no big deal to anyone outside of Knoxville - you're supposed to win your home opener against a non conference team. Lose, and there will be a chernobyl like meltdown on VN and BJ will lose much of the fan base before the season even gets started.

Thoughts?
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I could see the Vols winning a close game but Utah Sate will probably be the better team when they roll into Knoxville.
 
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