To Protect and to Serve II

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marcusluvsvols said:
I would like to see the bodycam, from outside the residence...if she CLEARLY told cops that the assailant was NAKED and her husband wasnt, but was in the house...like I understand it...I do believe the cops are at fault. It's easy to see the difference between a naked man and a clothed man..especially when you are trained to notice these things, and assess any situation mentally before using deadly force...American Hero was killed in his own home for protecting his family, I know it wasnt malicious, but that doesn't mean it isn't grossly negligent...it will cost taxpayers millions, just like the 49 year old lady if she has any family...
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I guess I keep going back to this and trying to understand what is going on:

"Mr. Black goes and gets his sidearm and shoots the intruder and saves his grandson," Rathod said. "Mr. Black walks out of the bathroom to see other individuals who had also come in the home. Black's wife had called the police and ran outside. She specifically told the police what her husband was wearing and there was a naked man attacking her grandson. Mr. Black walks out and is shot by police."
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It reads here that the naked man and others had come into the home. I'm assuming it means other intruders and not the cops. Also, you have the wife leaving the home.

Just seems like you have a lot of traffic and people running in all directions with gunfire mixed in.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I was thinking he was going to try for the head shot, but the two cops freaked out
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Honestly the cops were screwed any way they went. They started with less lethal, the guy used a chair to block the bean bags. Before they could close to taser he took a hostage. If they had shot him from the jump they would be racist executioners. They didn’t and things got worse. If they let him kill that woman they’d be heartless. If they shot the guy and hit the woman by mistake they’re back to being racist executioners. I know the family is sad but I don’t know what they wanted the cops to do. They went by the BLM playbook and it got an innocent killed.
 
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Could we be witnessing the beginning of a bursting police bubble?

Entire Police Force Quits In This Massachusetts Town

“Around the country, towns with shrinking tax bases and rising costs have been forced to make hard choices. In some cases, that has meant merging local police departments or cutting them altogether. Earlier this year, Brooksville, Fla., shuttered its 30-person police department and handed law enforcement duties over to the local sheriff. Other departments have disbanded after problems; Galesburg, Mich., for instance, closed its police department in January after firing the chief,” said the NYT.

“Small towns are having this discussion around maintaining the most basic functions of local government, police services being one of them,” said Josh Garcia, the acting town administrator for Blandford.

It seems as the NYT has discovered the next emerging trend: The Collapse of police departments in rural America.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I didn't say it shouldn't be an investigation. But on the surface, I can see that situation being a bit difficult for mist to maneuver in.

Far cry from a guy in the middle of a hotel hallway getting shot because he couldn't play Simon Says or the Hokey Pokey.
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It's a tough call on the worst police shooting I've seen.... the hallway shooting may very well be it.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Negative.
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explain? so he had to put him in a choke hold as the first thing in the arrest? they could have simply called for someone to bring the warrant. crazy how you probably think that its ok for cops to just pull up and say "hey I got a warrant for you, come with me to jail". no proof whatsoever.
 
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#6,090
1. Let's get this straight, right off the bat, this guy did not deserve to die. Period. End of story.



2. It is rare that anyone on patrol would have an arrest warrant on them--I think there might be some confusion having to show proof of a search warrant there...maybe/maybe not.
3. The officer who hopped on the tractor asked the other officer "It's confirmed?"--meaning, is the warrant confirmed through dispatch through this person's DL, name/DOB, etc--the other officer stated that it was.
4. The man shrugged away the officer's hands when he attempted to grab him by the wrist, then jumped at the officer who was attempting to get onto the tractor in a threatening manner....game on.
5. Even still, the officer whose body cam is what I assume the video comes from, continues to address the man as "Mr. Frank"...
6. At no point did their level of force exceed the level of threat. Mr. Frank was even slumped over and talking up until the point where they got him on the ground.
7. Given the fact that he had already actively fought not to go to jail, it's not unusual for someone to just go limp.
8. No one wanted that outcome. Body cam officer stated several times that he can take a look at the warrant when he gets to jail...that's his due process.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I guess there is no need to. Just take their word for it.
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Yep, no worries. They won't stick you with a bogus charge when you go downtown or just murder you in broad daylight with no repercussions aside from paid vacation time. Yep, everything is fine.
 
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#6,096
I don't believe that you need arrest warrants on your person like you do a search warrant. Would you let Ted Bundy go just because you don't have the right paper work? However, choke holds like that are banned by many PD's for good reason.

They escalated to violence and willfully ignored the cues that indicated this man was not OK. This is homicide.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Mr. Frank: "What's it for?"
Body Cam Cop: "I don't know, we'll have to get it [at the jail]..."

Cop A: "Is it confirmed?"
Body Cam Cop: "Yes."
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If you don't know what the warrant is for or specifics about said warrant, then that cop can go f himself. And I don't give a **** what his little buddy on duty says, it changes nothing.
They also had no business asking for ID. And he should have never gave it to them.
Unless you are okay with a "papers, please" society, which I'm sure you are.
But whatever, this will end up being the murdered dudes fault somehow, and **** will just get worse. Big damn shock no one respects or believes the police anymore.

Act like the Gestspo and don't be surprised when treated as such.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
If you don't know what the warrant is for or specifics about said warrant, then that cop can go f himself. And I don't give a **** what his little buddy on duty says, it changes nothing.
They also had no business asking for ID. And he should have never gave it to them.
Unless you are okay with a "papers, please" society, which I'm sure you are.
But whatever, this will end up being the murdered dudes fault somehow, and **** will just get worse. Big damn shock no one respects or believes the police anymore.

Act like the Gestspo and don't be surprised when treated as such.
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I arrest people all the time for warrants that I know little to nothing about. It's more common than not that I know nothing about the circumstances that occurred in order for someone to get a warrant taken out on them...but...if someone is being cool with me, I can ask my dispatch what the warrant is for, if there's a bond, etc. It's something I do quite often and have (twice recently) even had people thank me for taking them to jail...or at least been cool with them, which is what I think they mean. However, if someone acts like Mr. Frank, we just go to jail. I give respect until it's time not to.

Also...I know nothing about this situation, other than the video, so I can't speak as to why they were out with Mr. Frank in the first place but...calling them the Gestapo...oook.
 
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