The Weightlifters Thread

[chavisut]

I was commenting on your statement about "negatives" not doing much in building muscle.

I didn't say that.

 

[govols/cc]

If so, they have not done a proper workout. A properly done HIUT workout will drain the most ardent athlete.

Tennys Sandgren was an all-american tennis player for the Vols last year and is playing professionally these days.

Do you do like 3 or 4 "warm up" sets then the last is counted as your workout?

Oh yea, so a kicker & a tennis player are the 2 examples you use?

 

[Tux]

Try doing what they are doing. Both are exceptionally strong and have loads of endurance, and are flexible. He also trained Ron Mercer, developed a workout for the NFL along with Walter Payton, is consulted by Steve Watterson of the Tennessee Titans.

No warm up sets for me. Some people do multiple sets, but most HIT lifters only need one set to do it right. My workout consists of about 10 different lifts 10-15 reps of each lift. Your weight that you are lifting is probably about 70-75% of your max lift weight. Lift in slow smooth reps, mix in some static holds and 4-5 second negatives and you will burn nicely. Each rep for me can range from 6 seconds to as long as 30 seconds. Depends on what we are doing that day.

 

[xJesusx56]

Got 80's for 5 reps today on shoulder press. Third set.
70x10
75x10
80x5

Was suprised, figured my strength would be going down on my cut, granted it's only a week in.

 

[milohimself]

Not to mention anybody can train the worlds best athletes. Hell I could be Tiger Woods swing coach & he wouldn't miss a beat. Don't forget how large of a role genetics are either & it's huge.

This is one of the most wildly uninformed posts I've ever seen on VN, and that is a seriously high bar.

 

[govols/cc]

This is one of the most wildly uninformed posts I've ever seen on VN, and that is a seriously high bar.

I wasn't being terribly serious but I wasn't entirely joking either. All instructors/trainers are at that level are motivators & ego strokers. I can shoot Barry Bonds up & take him to the gym & build him up just as good. Then you got the naturally gifted guys with awesome genetics, do you really think its because of their trainers? Sean Foley, with his Phd, is killing Tiger's game. All Tiger needs is somebody to hold a camera & tell him nice shot. If you're not in better shape than me & you're not better or ever was at something than me how can you really train/teach me?

 

[milohimself]

By that logic, most great athletes would make for at least decent coaches, but it's never the case. You can probably count on one hand all the guys in history that were both great players and coaches in the NFL, for instance.

 

[govols/cc]

By that logic, most great athletes would make for at least decent coaches, but it's never the case. You can probably count on one hand all the guys in history that were both great players and coaches in the NFL, for instance.

You're really reaching. Nobody would expect Tiger to ever be a swing instructor or Ronnie Coleman to be a personal trainer.

 

[Thrasher865]

If you're not in better shape than me & you're not better or ever was at something than me how can you really train/teach me?

Because, knowledge and execution are two completely separate things. Your claims become more and more outrageous with each post.

 

[Thrasher865]

Oh yea, so a kicker & a tennis player are the 2 examples you use?

Their opinions are worthless, because they are not trying to attain the one and only acceptable goal of weightlifting, to bench 350 lbs.

 

[golfballs]

I do controlled lifts, and will do negatives on the last couple reps of my last set to failure.

 

[Thrasher865]

I do controlled lifts, and will do negatives on the last couple reps of my last set to failure.

Yesterday, what I did was start out at my 5RM and do about 5 reps to exhaustion. Then, did 3 more reps of negatives, until my spotter was doing more of the work than I was. Then, I dropped the weight and repeated for a total of 3 sets.

I did a warm up set at a low weight of just positives.

I am really feelin' it today, brother.

 

[govols/cc]

Because, knowledge and execution are two completely separate things. Your claims become more and more outrageous with each post.

That's not my point. The knowledge another person has isn't what made an elite athlete what they are in most cases. Would you let a 300lb out of shape person that came to the gym with a bag of Cheetos be your personal trainer even if he was "knowledgable"? Would you take a golf lesson from a person who shanked the ball & played like a 30 handicap?

 

[n_huffhines]

If you're cheating by bouncing or picking your ass a foot off the bench then a negative is probably the last thing on your mind. Other than that all you need is a good spotter.

Bench press isn't the only lift worth doing.

 

[Thrasher865]

That's not my point. The knowledge another person has isn't what made an elite athlete what they are in most cases. Would you let a 300lb out of shape person that came to the gym with a bag of Cheetos be your personal trainer even if he was "knowledgable"? Would you take a golf lesson from a person who shanked the ball & played like a 30 handicap?

The thing is, your points are all bad, so I don't know what to make of them.

Someone who knows a lot about proper technique may not be an elite athlete. Someone who is an elite athlete may need coaching on their technique. Get the coach to give his knowledge to the athlete. What's hard to understand about this concept?

 

[n_huffhines]

You're really reaching. Nobody would expect Tiger to ever be a swing instructor or Ronnie Coleman to be a personal trainer.

?

 

[govols/cc]

The thing is, your points are all bad, so I don't know what to make of them.

Someone who knows a lot about proper technique may not be an elite athlete. Someone who is an elite athlete may need coaching on their technique. Get the coach to give his knowledge to the athlete. What's hard to understand about this concept?

Then don't bother responding. Coaching isn't what we're talking about FYI. Personal training on an elite athlete level isn't about teaching a person technique.

 

[govols/cc]

?

? You read one post & chime in???

 

[govols/cc]

Bench press isn't the only lift worth doing.

It's what we were talking about at the time but there are lifts negatives are not worth doing or virtually impossible.

 

[n_huffhines]

It's what we were talking about at the time but there are lifts negatives are not worth doing or virtually impossible.

I'm not aware of any.

I can do negatives to absolute failure without a spotter on 90% of what I do. There is only one upper body lift I can think of that this is not true of, and that's barbell press. Since I only do that once a month (I prefer DB's), I usually don't have need for a spotter.

 

[Thrasher865]

All Tiger needs is somebody to hold a camera & tell him nice shot. If you're not in better shape than me & you're not better or ever was at something than me how can you really train/teach me?

You're really reaching. Nobody would expect Tiger to ever be a swing instructor or Ronnie Coleman to be a personal trainer.

That's not my point. The knowledge another person has isn't what made an elite athlete what they are in most cases. Would you let a 300lb out of shape person that came to the gym with a bag of Cheetos be your personal trainer even if he was "knowledgable"? Would you take a golf lesson from a person who shanked the ball & played like a 30 handicap?

Then don't bother responding. Coaching isn't what we're talking about FYI. Personal training on an elite athlete level isn't about teaching a person technique.

????

You were literally just talking about coaching. Or is swing technique not actually a technique, but actually based solely on how much weight you can bench?

Also, personal training is teaching a technique. Maybe someone has physical/genetic shortcomings that prevent them from reaching an elite level, but they have the know-how to get there.

I think you argue just to argue. You're never wrong.

 

[govols/cc]

????

You were literally just talking about coaching. Or is swing technique not actually a technique, but actually based solely on how much weight you can bench?

Also, personal training is teaching a technique. Maybe someone has physical/genetic shortcomings that prevent them from reaching an elite level, but they have the know-how to get there.

I think you argue just to argue. You're never wrong.

I wouldn't consider a swing instructor a coach. It's not like they're there when you're actually performing. It's not about being right or wrong it's your opinion vs mine.

 

[govols/cc]

I'm not aware of any.

I can do negatives to absolute failure without a spotter on 90% of what I do. There is only one upper body lift I can think of that this is not true of, and that's barbell press. Since I only do that once a month (I prefer DB's), I usually don't have need for a spotter.

How are you doing negatives to failure without a spotter? Thanks for trying. Show me a negative with cleans.

 

[n_huffhines]

How are you doing negatives to failure without a spotter? Thanks for trying. Show me a negative with cleans.

I don't really understand the question. You act like you have me trapped, but the answer is so obvious I don't even know how to respond.

I don't do cleans. I would if I were trying out for football in the fall, but since I'm just interested in shaping I don't waste my time.

 

[govols/cc]

I don't really understand the question. You act like you have me trapped, but the answer is so obvious I don't even know how to respond.

I don't do cleans. I would if I were trying out for football in the fall, but since I'm just interested in shaping I don't waste my time.

Maybe muscle failure is something you don't understand. Without a spotter(s) you're not. You could continue doing the negative if you could actually have the weight lifted assisted by a spotter(s) & hold the weight static after that until you reach complete failure. Lift for shape, lol.