The Weightlifters Thread

#2,501
#2,501
So since you don't understand how it works, it's impossible? Or do you have a study to back that up?

I don't have any evidence either way, so I'd like to know if there's any literature out there.
 
#2,502
#2,502
Negatives are important but not to the extreme you guys are talking about IMO. Nobody is talking about dropping the weight on you either which would be dumb if you're lifting heavy & the only time I tend to do negatives.
 
#2,503
#2,503
High Intensity Training done properly is better for you than cardio by itself.

Get a good trainer, who mixes up your workouts, includes lift stages, negative etc.. will give you a workout that will stimulate your muscles and help you get stronger, more elastic, and lose weight safely.
 
#2,507
#2,507
Tux said:
High Intensity Training done properly is better for you than cardio by itself.

Get a good trainer, who mixes up your workouts, includes lift stages, negative etc.. will give you a workout that will stimulate your muscles and help you get stronger, more elastic, and lose weight safely.
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Why do you need a trainer to do any of that.

Muscle confusion is bullshiz.
 
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#2,508
#2,508
Tell that to my brother who has a PHD in Exercise Physiology. He is my personal trainer. He incorporates a lot of things into my workouts. I'll take his published articles, workouts and his close friend Dr. Elliot Darden's workouts over the layman's workouts any day of the week.

He is the guy that many professional coaches have sent their Nashville-based players to, to train under over the years.
 
#2,509
#2,509
chavisut said:
Why do you need a trainer to do any of that.

Muscle confusion is bullshiz.
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Never understood the concept much either. If you're muscles get "broken down" while you lift & grow after, what does it matter how it happened? Of course different exercises are gonna work different muscles, duh. There's just so much bs out there nowadays. Back to the negative debate. About the only way I see that being beneficial is to take a weight greater than your max & have guys spot you on the lift while you do the negative. I just prefer to do it after I'm pretty fatigued on my few reps on my last couple sets. Some people talk slow & controlled & others think lifting fast & exploding may stimulate new muscle fibers.
 
#2,510
#2,510
Tux said:
Tell that to my brother who has a PHD in Exercise Physiology. He is my personal trainer. He incorporates a lot of things into my workouts. I'll take his published articles, workouts and his close friend Dr. Elliot Darden's workouts over the layman's workouts any day of the week.

He is the guy that many professional coaches have sent their Nashville-based players to, to train under over the years.
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Is his last name Simmons? I'll pass.
 
#2,511
#2,511
Not to mention anybody can train the worlds best athletes. Hell I could be Tiger Woods swing coach & he wouldn't miss a beat. Don't forget how large of a role genetics are either & it's huge.
 
#2,512
#2,512
govols/cc said:
Never understood the concept much either. If you're muscles get "broken down" while you lift & grow after, what does it matter how it happened? Of course different exercises are gonna work different muscles, duh. There's just so much bs out there nowadays. Back to the negative debate. About the only way I see that being beneficial is to take a weight greater than your max & have guys spot you on the lift while you do the negative. I just prefer to do it after I'm pretty fatigued on my few reps on my last couple sets. Some people talk slow & controlled & others think lifting fast & exploding may stimulate new muscle fibers.
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Muscle confusion is real but it is over played a little. Increasing weight is a form of muscle confusion. I don't think you'd even fight that if you do the same weight every time you workout that you're not going to get stronger or add muscle mass.
 
#2,514
#2,514
govols/cc said:
Never understood the concept much either. If you're muscles get "broken down" while you lift & grow after, what does it matter how it happened? Of course different exercises are gonna work different muscles, duh. There's just so much bs out there nowadays. Back to the negative debate. tAbout the only way I see that being beneficial is to take a weight greater than your max & have guys spot you on the lift while you do the negative. I just prefer to do it after I'm pretty fatigued on my few reps on my last couple sets. Some people talk slow & controlled & others think lifting fast & exploding may stimulate new muscle fibers.
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That's one way, or you just cheat the hell out of the positives (in a safe way). It allows you to kinda go beyond your failure threshold. You can't do anymore proper positives, but a slow painful negative is just right.

This conversation got interesting in my absence.
 
#2,515
#2,515
lylsmorr said:
"Muscle confusion" was a term made to sell DVD's and it did.
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Exactly.
Old school bodybuilders followed cookie cutter routines and put on plenty of size and strength.
Switching up routines, sets, reps, etc on a weekly/monthly basis isn't necessary.
 
#2,516
#2,516
nbakerld said:
That's one way, or you just cheat the hell out of the positives (in a safe way). It allows you to kinda go beyond your failure threshold. You can't do anymore proper positives, but a slow painful negative is just right.

This conversation got interesting in my absence.
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If you're cheating by bouncing or picking your ass a foot off the bench then a negative is probably the last thing on your mind. Other than that all you need is a good spotter.
 
#2,518
#2,518
If you are an advocate of HIT strength training, you know that it is not about maxing out, multiple sets, and performing your lift fast. No, instead it is about lifting heavy amounts of weight in a slow controlled manner, without bouncing or jerking.

HIT advocates know that there is not a need for multiple sets because the goal is to completely exhaust the muscle with each lift. The role of the negatives in lifts is to help further exhaust the muscle and it does play a big part in recruiting muscle fiber.

Lifting, holding, and lowering are all very important components of totally exhausting the muscle.
 
#2,519
#2,519
Tux said:
If you are an advocate of HIT strength training, you know that it is not about maxing out, multiple sets, and performing your lift fast. No, instead it is about lifting heavy amounts of weight in a slow controlled manner, without bouncing or jerking.

HIT advocates know that there is not a need for multiple sets because the goal is to completely exhaust the muscle with each lift. The role of the negatives in lifts is to help further exhaust the muscle and it does play a big part in recruiting muscle fiber.

Lifting, holding, and lowering are all very important components of totally exhausting the muscle.
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Did it sell DVDs? Guess my last set is based on HIT.
 
#2,520
#2,520
Ask James Wilhoite and Tennys Sandgren who their trainer was back in Nashville. Ask what he looked like and what kind of shape he is in. All HIT product. Used to lift with Doug Furness for a time-drug free.

You lifting with Dubby Bain and Steve Michaels in Spartanburg?
 
#2,521
#2,521
Tux said:
Ask James Wilhoite and Tennys Sandgren who their trainer was back in Nashville. Ask what he looked like and what kind of shape he is in. All HIT product. Used to lift with Doug Furness for a time-drug free.

You lifting with Dubby Bain and Steve Michaels in Spartanburg?
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No I lift at my local Y with a few buds or by myself depending on our schedule. Never heard of the guys you mention except bum leg Wilhoit.
 
#2,522
#2,522
Tux said:
If you are an advocate of HIT strength training, you know that it is not about maxing out, multiple sets, and performing your lift fast. No, instead it is about lifting heavy amounts of weight in a slow controlled manner, without bouncing or jerking.

HIT advocates know that there is not a need for multiple sets because the goal is to completely exhaust the muscle with each lift. The role of the negatives in lifts is to help further exhaust the muscle and it does play a big part in recruiting muscle fiber.

Lifting, holding, and lowering are all very important components of totally exhausting the muscle.
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Wait, so what does any of that have to do with my comment about muscle confusion earlier? HIT training is not muscle confusion.
 
#2,523
#2,523
chavisut said:
Wait, so what does any of that have to do with my comment about muscle confusion earlier? HIT training is not muscle confusion.
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HIT is just a way to condense a workout. I see a lot of guys do 1 set of something but not sure they're if they have completely exhausted their muscles.
 
#2,525
#2,525
govols/cc said:
HIT is just a way to condense a workout. I see a lot of guys do 1 set of something but not sure they're if they have completely exhausted their muscles.
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If so, they have not done a proper workout. A properly done HIUT workout will drain the most ardent athlete.

Tennys Sandgren was an all-american tennis player for the Vols last year and is playing professionally these days.
 
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