The Last Dance - A 10-PART DOCUMENTARY EVENT

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95 Vol Alum said:
Not entirely, no.

He is in suggesting that KD is somehow in the GOAT conversation regardless of decade. LeBron is in the convo regardless and likely could play 80s-90s ball at a high level.

Is there something in MJ‘s game you see as not translatable to today? I find this idea of MJ not being able to compete with guys like LeBron and KD as completely absurd. It is like people aren’t paying attention to how he is wired.
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I don't think you can take what he's saying and claim he's suggesting KD is in the GOAT convo. He's saying the convo might be different if they played back then.

Nobody is saying MJ wouldn't be the best today (how can anyone know?). Nobody is saying parts of his game don't translate. Stick to what is said. We're just saying the league is better now and harder to dominate.
 
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I am ready to defend The Bad Boys honor tonight. I’ve got my Pistons shirt and Detroit hat on tonight.
 
#229
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n_huffhines said:
I don't think you can take what he's saying and claim he's suggesting KD is in the GOAT convo. He's saying the convo might be different if they played back then.

Nobody is saying MJ wouldn't be the best today (how can anyone know?). Nobody is saying parts of his game don't translate. Stick to what is said. We're just saying the league is better now and harder to dominate.
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Well, I don’t know how many times I have to acknowledge today’s game and athlete is different than then. Including in the post you quoted.

I just diverge from his suggesting that the mere presence of LeBron and KD in that era would neuter him as the GOAT. He had a reasonable point right up to the part where he SAID:

“With what [Kevin Durant] and LeBron are doing, if you put them back in the era of the '80s, with their talent, their athleticism and their skill, who's the GOAT?"

”Laugh laugh laugh chortle laugh”. “You know what I’m saying.” “Laugh laugh”

I find it interesting that you and IT want to entertain the thought of today’s player in the 80’s and assume they’d naturally be great. But let’s hold up on thinking that MJ today might not be. Great athletes translate.

IT went from a good point (though I disagree that today’s athletes don’t get enough credit) to a salty MJ dig in the end.
 
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(I’m slightly trolling BTW you don’t have to take that seriously. It was a classless move)
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
Well, I don’t know how many times I have to acknowledge today’s game and athlete is different than then. Including in the post you quoted.

I just diverge from his suggesting that the mere presence of LeBron and KD in that era would neuter him as the GOAT. He had a reasonable point right up to the part where he SAID:

“With what [Kevin Durant] and LeBron are doing, if you put them back in the era of the '80s, with their talent, their athleticism and their skill, who's the GOAT?"

”Laugh laugh laugh chortle laugh”. “You know what I’m saying.” “Laugh laugh”

I find it interesting that you and IT want to entertain the thought of today’s player in the 80’s and assume they’d naturally be great. But let’s hold up on thinking that MJ today might not be. Great athletes translate.

IT went from a good point (though I disagree that today’s athletes don’t get enough credit) to a salty MJ dig in the end.
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Again, nobody is saying MJ wouldn't be great today. Are you trolling? How many times must this be clarified?

If MJ ends up with just 3 or 4 titles and fewer scoring titles because he's contending with other unicorn wings like KD and Lebron in the 90's is he still the GOAT or is it Magic? Or Kareem? Or even Kobe? I think that's the point Zeke is making.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Again, nobody is saying MJ wouldn't be great today. Are you trolling? How many times must this be clarified?

If MJ ends up with just 3 or 4 titles and fewer scoring titles because he's contending with other unicorn wings like KD and Lebron in the 90's is he still the GOAT or is it Magic? Or Kareem? Or even Kobe? I think that's the point Zeke is making.
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No, I'm not trolling and do not need anything clarified. It's all dumb what if scenarios meant to diminish accomplishment.

By the logic laid out, only players today can be in the GOAT conversation because everyone else played in a different era where it was back to the basket, big men dominated and players were slow and not as athletic. You can literally "yeah but" every single one of those alternates you listed with the same thing being hung on MJ.

Basketball is different and, for many, better now. In my mind, it doesn't render past accomplishments any less great.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
No, I'm not trolling and do not need anything clarified. It's all dumb what if scenarios meant to diminish accomplishment.

By the logic laid out, only players today can be in the GOAT conversation because everyone else played in a different era where it was back to the basket, big men dominated and players were slow and not as athletic. You can literally "yeah but" every single one of those alternates you listed with the same thing being hung on MJ.

Basketball is different and, for many, better now. In my mind, it doesn't render past accomplishments any less great.
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No. That's not proper application of logic. There is no conclusion being drawn. Just questions being asked.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
What’s the purpose and/or implication of the questions?
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The purpose is to talk hoops past and present. The implication is that we don't know for sure. It definitely is not an implication that you can't be the GOAT unless you play now.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The purpose is to talk hoops past and present. The implication is that we don't know for sure. It definitely is not an implication that you can't be the GOAT unless you play now.
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Odd that they closed on the question then. Hoops talk was over. The laughter and know what I’m saying gave me a different impression of his implication.
 
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Hilarious nobody talks about how classless the Celtics were in 88 walking off the same exact way that the Pistons did in 91
 
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#242
Jerry Krause literally tried to sabotage an almost guaranteed championship so he can justify his rebuild quicker. It’s unbelievable this happened.
 
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zjcvols said:
Jerry Krause literally tried to sabotage and almost guaranteed championship so he can justify his rebuild quicker. It’s unbelievable this happened.
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The most unbelievable part was that Jerry Reinsdorf player along.
 
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Notorious B.E.N said:
I was just talking about that somewhere else, why didn't he just get rid of Krause? Z said Riensdorf is just too loyal.
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I can remember when it happened. It was just a given going into that last title run that they were breaking it up. Krause/Reinsdorf truly thought they were geniuses and they’d just go build it a 3rd time.
 
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#247
Stumbled into this about Robert Parish. Pretty funny...
After a long and legendary stint as one of the "Big Three" for the Boston Celtics in the '80s alongside fellow legends Larry Bird and Kevin McHale, Parish finished his career in 1996-97 with the Chicago Bulls. In 2012, Parish told ESPN that after he messed up a play during one of his first practices with the Bulls, Jordan got up in his face and sassed him hard. Parish wouldn't hear it. "I told him, 'I'm not as enamored with you as these other guys. I've got some rings, too," Parish said. "At that point he told me, 'I'm going to kick your ass.'" Parish called Jordan's bluff. "I took one step closer and said, 'No, you really aren't.'" And he never did.
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So MJ was 100% the reason Isiah was not on the Dream Team. I know that was widely assumed. You can tell MJ still does not care for him at all today.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Uh oh, somebody broke rank

"I think this generation [of players] is not getting enough credit for what they're doing," Thomas said. "Because the athletes that are in this generation are so far superior than what was in my generation. [When we were playing], Jordan was the best athlete that we had ever seen, [but] from an athletic standpoint, there are like 10 or 11 guys in the NBA right now with Jordan's athleticism. We didn't have that back then. With what [Kevin Durant] and LeBron are doing, if you put them back in the era of the '80s, with their talent, their athleticism and their skill, who's the GOAT?"

Isiah Thomas disputes Michael Jordan's GOAT status, says LeBron James, Kevin Durant would've dominated in '80s
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Yea anything a Piston says about him is bs. Thomas hates MJ.
 
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