Mac vs PC (split)

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If all you want to do is some basic editing like cropping, rotating, spot corrections, and such Photoshop Elements is a nice affordable program for Windows or Mac. Although iPhoto on Mac is pretty comparable and comes preinstalled on any Mac.
 
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If Linux Mint or Ubuntu Linux had the paid support that Mac has, those two versions of Linux would run circles around OSX performance wise.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
If Linux Mint or Ubuntu Linux had the paid support that Mac has, those two versions of Linux would run circles around OSX performance wise.
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That support is a big, big difference for a lot of people though. The vast majority of pc consumers need significant hand holding, which apple is unparalleled at.
 
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milohimself said:
That support is a big, big difference for a lot of people though. The vast majority of pc consumers need significant hand holding, which apple is unparalleled at.
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This is true. The thing is, it's about not to be about platform anymore, it will be about who has the best cloud support.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
This is true. The thing is, it's about not to be about platform anymore, it will be about who has the best cloud support.
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I'm curious to see how Windows 8 does cloud syncranazation like iCloud. I actually prefer the chrome browser on my computers but I use safari now, which I like too, because the bookmarks are in sync with my iPhone and iPad. It's nice being able to bookmark something on my computer then pull it up on my phone or iPad easily. Works on my Windows laptop too. Photo stream is getting better with each iOS update too.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I'm curious to see how Windows 8 does cloud syncranazation like iCloud. I actually prefer the chrome browser on my computers but I use safari now, which I like too, because the bookmarks are in sync with my iPhone and iPad. It's nice being able to bookmark something on my computer then pull it up on my phone or iPad easily. Works on my Windows laptop too. Photo stream is getting better with each iOS update too.
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I think Windows 8 is going to be a Vista. It always seems that the next gen OS that Microsoft releases, always takes till the second version to get right. The fact that they are integrating the tablet and desktop OS all-in-one, and they removed the start menu from the standard desktop look, it's going to be interesting to see the reaction of the public on this.

Chrome also syncs up the bookmarks and settings to your mobile devices as well, in the newest version of Chrome.

As far as the cloud goes, I think it's going to take a really great third party company to cross-platform it, like Dropbox or someone else, because the integrated versions of the cloud from the OS people just don't make it as far as third party apps do.
 
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If windows 8 is anything like the latest Xbox interface I'm already not a fan.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
This is true. The thing is, it's about not to be about platform anymore, it will be about who has the best cloud support.
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I don't see anybody dethroning Apple on customer support anytime soon

I will readily admit that Apples in many ways are inferior products, but they are unquestionably the strongest in the areas where it matters to most consumers
 
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rockytop9808 said:
Tell that same thing to the guy who says all PCs are plasticy garbage.

I'll stick to the opinion that Macs are overpriced, underpowered machines built tor people who can't run a computer.
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Hey jackhole, I said a $600 laptop is a plasticky piece of crap. At least get my quote right. Plenty of companies make high-quality PCs. And they're priced accordingly. Please link to a high-quality PC that is specced out better than a Macbook Air at significantly under a thousand dollars. Thanks.
 
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WA_Vol said:
You can't run the software I run at work on a Mac. It doesn't have the processing speed or work with the MAC OS. Most high end computering software is built for windows not Mac's.
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This is the best. I agree. Most high end computering software only works on Windows.
 
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milohimself said:
I don't see anybody dethroning Apple on customer support anytime soon

I will readily admit that Apples in many ways are inferior products, but they are unquestionably the strongest in the areas where it matters to most consumers
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I agree, I dropped an iPhone and shattered the glass - I took it to the green hills store and without so much as a question the associate went to the back, brought out a new phone and switched my sim card over...no
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
If Linux Mint or Ubuntu Linux had the paid support that Mac has, those two versions of Linux would run circles around OSX performance wise.
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I spent years running Linux at home -- and not just Linux, but a real, honest-to-God, Richard Stallman-approved hardcore version of Linux like Debian. Believe me, I'm philosphically predisposed to want Linux to succeed. And eventually I understood that it never will. I don't care how user-friendly you try to make a distribution, the lag time between installing the Linux OS -- even Ubuntu, even Mint -- and needing to launch a terminal window to do something is always somewhere between one and six hours. And that's unacceptable. If you ever have to launch a terminal, you've failed, at least as far as 99 percent of the computer users in the world are concerned.

Mac OS X gives me a full BSD Unix system with an elegant, bulletproof, easy-peasy shell on top of it, running on fantastic hardware. I don't see what's not to like.
 
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dukes_of_maggard said:
I agree, I dropped an iPhone and shattered the glass - I took it to the green hills store and without so much as a question the associate went to the back, brought out a new phone and switched my sim card over...no
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Ditto, I had a 3gs for about ten months, it had a wifi issue, I was in and out of the apple store in under five minutes with a new phone. By far the best warranty experience I've ever had with anything
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I spent years running Linux at home -- and not just Linux, but a real, honest-to-God, Richard Stallman-approved hardcore version of Linux like Debian. Believe me, I'm philosphically predisposed to want Linux to succeed. And eventually I understood that it never will. I don't care how user-friendly you try to make a distribution, the lag time between installing the Linux OS -- even Ubuntu, even Mint -- and needing to launch a terminal window to do something is always somewhere between one and six hours. And that's unacceptable. If you ever have to launch a terminal, you've failed, at least as far as 99 percent of the computer users in the world are concerned.

Mac OS X gives me a full BSD Unix system with an elegant, bulletproof, easy-peasy shell on top of it, running on fantastic hardware. I don't see what's not to like.
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No matter what, the market share of personal computing is Windows dominated, and that's not going to change anytime soon.

What I would like to see is some of the Linux companies come together. There are just too many distros out there, and some better and some worse than others. I think that if there were less distros, it would be a lot better. I just got done reading a Ubuntu versus Mac article earlier this week, and Mac is better at some things, and Ubuntu is better than others.

The main reason I use Ubuntu is just for everyday computing. The free software library is good too, and the fact that you can lock down Ubuntu is something I prefer on my laptop.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
No matter what, the market share of personal computing is Windows dominated, and that's not going to change anytime soon.

What I would like to see is some of the Linux companies come together. There are just too many distros out there, and some better and some worse than others. I think that if there were less distros, it would be a lot better. I just got done reading a Ubuntu versus Mac article earlier this week, and Mac is better at some things, and Ubuntu is better than others.

The main reason I use Ubuntu is just for everyday computing. The free software library is good too, and the fact that you can lock down Ubuntu is something I prefer on my laptop.
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But it IS changing -- it's all going to mobile, and none of that is going to be Windows as we know it. The days of the PC desktop, especially at home, are numbered. For most people, something like the iPad (whether it's the iPad itself or not) is the future. That's why Microsoft is going to tablets; that's why Microsoft is adding its own app store. The computer that people have on their desks at work is going to be a Windows computer for awhile yet to come, but the days of ordinary people buying full-on Windows computers to use at home are pretty close to over.

I respect the hell out of what Mark Shuttleworth has done with Ubuntu. I run it on on the machine that I regard as the catch-all server in my house, because holy crap, straight-up Debian is a pain in the ass. But Ubuntu is just never going to be anything other than a footnote in the history of popular computer systems. Which is a damn shame.
 
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Ubuntu is solid, but it nor any of it's peers will reach the mainstream because GNONE and KDE are lacking compared to Aqua and Windows.

But, when all ya need is a command line, that's another conversation...
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Hey jackhole, I said a $600 laptop is a plasticky piece of crap. At least get my quote right. Plenty of companies make high-quality PCs. And they're priced accordingly. Please link to a high-quality PC that is specced out better than a Macbook Air at significantly under a thousand dollars. Thanks.
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I had a viao I would consider pretty good quality that significantly our performed any Mac laptop... It was $700 ish when u got it.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
But it IS changing -- it's all going to mobile, and none of that is going to be Windows as we know it. The days of the PC desktop, especially at home, are numbered. For most people, something like the iPad (whether it's the iPad itself or not) is the future. That's why Microsoft is going to tablets; that's why Microsoft is adding its own app store. The computer that people have on their desks at work is going to be a Windows computer for awhile yet to come, but the days of ordinary people buying full-on Windows computers to use at home are pretty close to over.

I respect the hell out of what Mark Shuttleworth has done with Ubuntu. I run it on on the machine that I regard as the catch-all server in my house, because holy crap, straight-up Debian is a pain in the ass. But Ubuntu is just never going to be anything other than a footnote in the history of popular computer systems. Which is a damn shame.
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This is highly doubtful. The fact you can't open a case to fix a problem, is something that is going to keep the desktop business going for a while. The biggest thing that is going to change is software. It's not going to be hosted on your machine, but instead when you purchase a piece of software, you are going to get your own cloud to save your work in. Basically it's going to start becoming virtualized, which is something we do for businesses right now. The only problem I have with that, not all upload speeds are created equally. Download speeds aren't typically a problem for most of the population right now.

As far as Microsoft adding it's own app store, it's just trying to compete in a market that it really doesn't have any business in. Mac and Droid are FAR better at power consumption, and need less to run the software. You still aren't going to be able to do your graphic design on the tablets or smart phone, and this is where ultrabooks for the
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
This is highly doubtful. The fact you can't open a case to fix a problem, is something that is going to keep the desktop business going for a while. The biggest thing that is going to change is software. It's not going to be hosted on your machine, but instead when you purchase a piece of software, you are going to get your own cloud to save your work in. Basically it's going to start becoming virtualized, which is something we do for businesses right now. The only problem I have with that, not all upload speeds are created equally. Download speeds aren't typically a problem for most of the population right now.

As far as Microsoft adding it's own app store, it's just trying to compete in a market that it really doesn't have any business in. Mac and Droid are FAR better at power consumption, and need less to run the software. You still aren't going to be able to do your graphic design on the tablets or smart phone, and this is where ultrabooks for the
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I tend to agree with Vercingetorix. The average consumer that just wants to browse the web and do some simple word processing will be buying tablets. By average consumer I mean people that wouldn't ever consider opening up their machine anyway. Outside of business applications the geeks and gamers will be a niche market for home PCs.

Just look at how Apple only spends money on marketing the iPad and iPhone. You never see ads for their laptops anymore and they they even refer to their mobile devices as "post PC" devices. OSX keeps getting more and more iOS features added to it, not the other way around.
 
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milohimself said:
You might get more performance dollar for dollar with a pc, but let's not get crazy here
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Uhm what? My processor/graphics card/HDD speed/screen resolution/amount of RAM and speed of RAM were all better than the Macbook pro my brother bought for $1200 or whatever.. both purchased within 3 months of each other.
 
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