JG vs Harrison Bailey

[Rockytopvol86]

Who wants it?

Coach... put me in!

 

[sjt18]

Lol I figured by me using a ridiculous number for the time he has to throw and the fact it’s very unlikely he only threw on third downs people could comprehend that it’s an over exaggeration to emphasize a point.

The REAL numbers "emphasize" the point just fine. And no, you were simply WRONG about him throwing too much on 3rd down. You weren't engaging in hyperbole.

Guess I have to be literal on this board. I will admit it was more balanced between attempts on the different downs than I thought. You were right about that.

Appreciate your willingness to admit an error. That's unfortunately not as common as it should be.

That said If you think the oline and his ocs didn’t play a big part of why he wasn’t set up to have success then you obviously didn’t watch the games. I’ll admit his ability to make reads wasn’t the best it could’ve been.

Except that's nothing like the tone of the post I responded to. You exaggerated in an effort to suggest that the only reason he was unsuccessful is that he never had enough time to throw and because he was forced to only throw on predictable downs. That isn't true.

I think this season under Chaney where he should have a better oline, a better teacher to teach him the position (Chaney), and more freedom under Chaney will set him up better for success.

Love Chaney and he has a history of fixing guys much worse than JG. Crompton was a basket case as was Peterman. Both made money playing football after playing for Chaney when it looked like they should have never been on scholarship.

if he can’t capitalize this season I’ll eat crow.im not afraid to admit when I’m wrong.

Most of those who have had such dramatic responses to me... have ignored numerous posts where I said he had all the physical talent a guy would ever need and that the combination of Chaney, Weinke, and Tee is a QB's dream for development.

I don't think the OL by last season's end was getting beaten by mental mistakes but simply because they were too small and weak to handle SEC DL's. I am very encouraged by reports on both JG and the OL.

I personally think he’s set for a big step up from previous seasons and that he’ll prove pffs takes true. Again that’s jmo you can hate on it if you want. Anyways this season will be very indicative of his ability one way or the other and I wish him and the vols the best and that they figure it out! GBO!

Without your dramatic over the top hyperbole... we seem to largely agree.

 

[1vol8]

You guys & gals have me intrigued with Maurer. Haven’t seen him play yet.

You can watch the spring game on YouTube. Unfortunately right now that’s the only game tape of him at the moment. Most would say he made a couple of mistakes but I only seen one. The other I feel his receiver gave up but you can be your own judge of that. The only other thing I know of is his highlights on YouTube as well.

 

[butchna]

Valid concern these days. I don’t see HB transferring unless we redshirt Maurer/Shrout this year and HB at some point concludes that they are better than him. Gotta think he’d be willing to wait at least 1 year for his turn, right?

Can’t redshirt Shrout.

 

[1vol8]

I'm not saying it'll happen, but it does happen. Lawrence did it at Clemson last year. I'm not sure how many years their other qb played, but he left because he lost his job to a freshman.

I’m not nearly as high on TL as most are but it didn’t take long to see that he was just that much better than Bryant. Bryant seemed like he would struggle hitting water standing on the shoreline of the east coast in his last spring game with Clemson.

 

[k-town_king]

His stats are right there in front of you minus rushing at comment 55.
I’m a Pruitt, JG, HB and any other UT supporter. So don’t get it twisted. But IMO JG is the starter (as he should be) due to experience and experience alone. If we’re talking about talent and talent alone BM is the most talented qb on 2019s roster. He’ll be the most TALENTED in 2020 as well. HB is as good as anyone from inside the pocket. So is BM. The difference is outside the pocket and that’s where BM can’t be touched.
As for him not locking up #2 yet. There are a lot of possibilities that none of us know as to why. Do we know the coaches don’t care about possibly RSing him? No. Do we know that he’s any more inconsistent than JG? No. Practice is closed to the public AND media so all we KNOW is what CJP wants us to know and a lot of that could be “smoke in mirrors”. Think about it K town. How does a 3* go though his recruitment as the state of Florida’s best QB, make his way to through the elite 11, compete at the opening finishing 5th, travel the country earning offers from every school he threw for including the likes of OSU and several others no one knows about, all while throwing routes on air suddenly lose his accuracy once he gets to UT? I don’t buy it. You can if you like. But my guess is just as many, if not more balls get away from JG and JT as they do BM and HB when he gets here.

JG is the most talented. There's a reason he ranked so much high than the other two. BM is more talented than Shrout. HB is also more talented.

HS stats are meaningless when team systems and competition are so different. BM threw 43 passes a game. He should have put up ok stats.

 

[sjt18]

JG is the most talented. There's a reason he ranked so much high than the other two. BM is more talented than Shrout. HB is also more talented.

Yeah... couldn't have anything to do with camp attendance, marketing, competition, the players around him in HS, or any of those things...

I think he has plenty of talent. Neither of us know how much talent the new guys have yet. We simply haven't seen enough from them. Why do you always think you have to trash another Vol and deny all specific weaknesses in JG's game?

HS stats are meaningless when team systems and competition are so different. BM threw 43 passes a game. He should have put up ok stats.

Yet you seem totally oblivious that those things factor into rankings.... You are Dobbs4Heisman on a bad acid trip.

 

[sona]

JG doesn't have to sweat anything more than staying healthy. Every other QB on the roster will likely feel the pressure when Bailey arrives.

 

[k-town_king]

Yeah... couldn't have anything to do with camp attendance, marketing, competition, the players around him in HS, or any of those things...

I think he has plenty of talent. Neither of us know how much talent the new guys have yet. We simply haven't seen enough from them. Why do you always think you have to trash another Vol and deny all specific weaknesses in JG's game?

Yet you seem totally oblivious that those things factor into rankings.... You are Dobbs4Heisman on a bad acid trip.

Taking up for your alt I see.
Camp PERFORMANCE and competition played against are the big factors in ranking. JG excelled in camps vs top competition. He earned his rank. You finally got something half right for once.

Saying a starter is better than a backup isn't bashing someone Einstein.

 

[1vol8]

JG is the most talented. There's a reason he ranked so much high than the other two. BM is more talented than Shrout. HB is also more talented.

HS stats are meaningless when team systems and competition are so different. BM threw 43 passes a game. He should have put up ok stats.

JG is the most experienced. He was ranked higher from a totally different class as is HB to BM. I have nothing against JG but anyone can see he was not only overhyped but also misplaced as a DT qb. Which only goes to show how much trust anyone should have in the services to begin with. Your defense that BM threw 43 passes a game only helps strengthen my point. It wasn’t a system that forced him to throw that many times. He had to put the team on his back to have a chance and his coaches knew that. And Did TL or HB at any point average 43 passes a game and still hold a 65+% competition rate? No. Have either of them ever been on a team that they were the ONLY player that an opposing def coordinator had to stop? No. The fact that BM put up comparable (and some better) numbers to TL against those odds is undeniable and indefensible.

 

[k-town_king]

JG is the most experienced. He was ranked higher from a totally different class as is HB to BM. I have nothing against JG but anyone can see he was not only overhyped but also misplaced as a DT qb. Which only goes to show how much trust anyone should have in the services to begin with. Your defense that BM threw 43 passes a game only helps strengthen my point. It wasn’t a system that forced him to throw that many times. He had to put the team on his back to have a chance and his coaches knew that. And Did TL or HB at any point average 43 passes a game and still hold a 65+% competition rate? No. Have either of them ever been on a team that they were the ONLY player that an opposing def coordinator had to stop? No. The fact that BM put up comparable (and some better) numbers to TL against those odds is undeniable and indefensible.

Throwing a bunch of passes means you have a coach who called a bunch of passes. That is all. It is not a reflection of the qbs talent, just the coaches system.
He did do well. He has plenty of potential.

He is not as good or talented as JG. People watching practice and the rankings back it up.

 

[1vol8]

Throwing a bunch of passes means you have a coach who called a bunch of passes. That is all. It is not a reflection of the qbs talent, just the coaches system.
He did do well. He has plenty of potential.

He is not as good or talented as JG. People watching practice and the rankings back it up.

K-town..... lets be real here. What are they supposed to say knowing that JG is entrenched as the starting QB? Do you really think they are going to tell everyone in an article that BM looks every bit as good? Or better? Hell no. Pruitt would shut practice down completely to the media and we all know it if they started a qb controversy that he didn’t want.
Imo that may even be why Chaney called 3 runs inside the 5 of the spring game on BMs first drive. Can you imagine the outburst against JG had BM thrown a TD pass of his first ever drive as a collegiate qb? Come on man..... stop believing everything you read. The media sticks to narratives and the services stick to politics.

 

[k-town_king]

K-town..... lets be real here. What are they supposed to say knowing that JG is entrenched as the starting QB? Do you really think they are going to tell everyone in an article that BM looks every bit as good? Or better? Hell no. Pruitt would shut practice down completely to the media and we all know it if they started a qb controversy that he didn’t want.
Imo that may even be why Chaney called 3 runs inside the 5 of the spring game on BMs first drive. Can you imagine the outburst against JG had BM thrown a TD pass of his first ever drive as a collegiate qb? Come on man..... stop believing everything you read. The media sticks to narratives and the services stick to politics.

Lmao. He hasn't had a first drive as a college qb.

Yes the media would report if looked better in the time they see. You can't be serious.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

I thought JG already declared for the draft?

 

[1vol8]

Lmao. He hasn't had a first drive as a college qb.

Yes the media would report if looked better in the time they see. You can't be serious.

I clearly meant his first drive in the spring game and yes I’m very serious. I attended a couple of practices and I’ll tell you what I seen with my own eyes was completely different than what was reported as far as the qbs go. And that’s not the first time I’ve witnessed something that was reported with half truth or plain out lie. I was at “The Opening” 2017 and 2018 as well. Trust me when I tell you “don’t believe everything you read”. If it’s closed to the public there’s a reason.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

JG is the most experienced. He was ranked higher from a totally different class as is HB to BM. I have nothing against JG but anyone can see he was not only overhyped but also misplaced as a DT qb. Which only goes to show how much trust anyone should have in the services to begin with. Your defense that BM threw 43 passes a game only helps strengthen my point. It wasn’t a system that forced him to throw that many times. He had to put the team on his back to have a chance and his coaches knew that. And Did TL or HB at any point average 43 passes a game and still hold a 65+% competition rate? No. Have either of them ever been on a team that they were the ONLY player that an opposing def coordinator had to stop? No. The fact that BM put up comparable (and some better) numbers to TL against those odds is undeniable and indefensible.

More to being the starting QB in the SEC than stats a kid in a pass happy high school put up in the weakest 7A district in Fl. The day BM wins over the players on the team, the day that happens is his best chance at ever getting to play QB at Tennessee. Talent comparison is really pointless until BM adds weight, MATURES and stops throwing the ball to the other team or JG gets injured. JG has done all of those already and is just as if not more talented than BM. If Maurer is gonna win the job in 21' he had better work on those 3 things because the kid coming in is off the charts at all 3.

 

[1vol8]

More to being the starting QB in the SEC than stats a kid in a pass happy high school put up in the weakest 7A district in Fl. The day BM wins over the players on the team, the day that happens is his best chance at ever getting to play QB at Tennessee. Talent comparison is really pointless until BM adds weight, MATURES and stops throwing the ball to the other team or JG gets injured. JG has done all of those already and is just as if not more talented than BM. If Maurer is gonna win the job in 21' he had better work on those 3 things because the kid coming in is off the charts at all 3.

More to playing qb in the SEC than stats a kid put up while throwing it up and relying on a preselected, man child receiver in dbl or triple coverage as well wouldn’t you say? You say “off the charts” I say “questionable decision making”. And once again I’m not sure you’re grasping that the rank of teams in a district or otherwise plays no part when the qb in question plays FOR the physically overmatched team. It doesn’t create an excuse for his ball placement skills, decision making, pocket awareness, speed of progressions, accuracy or running abilities. It only makes them that much more impressive. Drop any of these qbs behind his o line in HS and NONE of them do what he’s done. And yes that includes Trevor Lawrence.

 

[GAVol]

Lol... The season can't start soon enough.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

More to playing qb in the SEC than stats a kid put up while throwing it up and relying on a preselected, man child receiver in dbl or triple coverage as well wouldn’t you say? You say “off the charts” I say “questionable decision making”. And once again I’m not sure you’re grasping that the rank of teams in a district or otherwise plays no part when the qb in question plays FOR the physically overmatched team. It doesn’t create an excuse for his ball placement skills, decision making, pocket awareness, speed of progressions, accuracy or running abilities. It only makes them that much more impressive. Drop any of these qbs behind his o line in HS and NONE of them do what he’s done. And yes that includes Trevor Lawrence.

It's clear to all that you are certain he is the the best 3rd string QB in the country. Impossible to debate with you when you put him above Lawrence. You also said experience was the only reason JG was the only named starter on the whole team by our head coach several weeks ago. You don't mention any of the 3 things he needs work on because you continue to think what he did in HIGH SCHOOL is all that matters. He's not anywhere close to being ready right now and he's gonna be up against some tough competition for that spot the next 4-5 years.

 

[1vol8]

It's clear to all that you are certain he is the the best 3rd string QB in the country. Impossible to debate with you when you put him above Lawrence. You also said experience was the only reason JG was the only named starter on the whole team by our head coach several weeks ago. You don't mention any of the 3 things he needs work on because you continue to think what he did in HIGH SCHOOL is all that matters. He's not anywhere close to being ready right now and he's gonna be up against some tough competition for that spot the next 4-5 years.

I understand how it sounded but there are very few ways to put it to get my point across when addressing a comment like that. I don’t mean he’s “above” TL or even Bailey. What I said was neither of them could’ve done what he done behind the same o line due to different skill sets. And all I did was use the same argument you used to put HB above him just to show it can be argued both ways.

You must not have read any of my comments in relation to him being “ready”. I’ve repeatedly said that he’s not. I think he needs to improve in decision making but not lose the “gunslinger” mentality. He does need to add about 10 more lbs of muscle and he needs a better understanding of the playbook and lingo. None of which have anything to do with talent.

And for the record we can’t call him 3rd string when a #2 hasn’t been named yet.

 

[sjt18]

Taking up for your alt I see.

I am unlike you in a lot of ways. One, I have had only one account and screen name since joining this board. Two, I'm not a liar.

Camp PERFORMANCE and competition played against are the big factors in ranking. JG excelled in camps vs top competition. He earned his rank. You finally got something half right for once.

Yet you are dumb enough to think there aren't a lot of players who didn't attend a bunch of camps and who suffered from not playing with very good talent around them. Again, you are apparently not intellectually capable of saying good things about JG without trashing other players in complete ignorance.

Saying a starter is better than a backup isn't bashing someone Einstein.

What you did... is trashing the other players. You did it to Dormady. You did it to Chryst. You're doing it to the two current back ups. You've done it to the OL. You've done it to the receivers and backs. You've done it to the coaches.

This blind thrashing against everyone else to defend JG... is stupid. It isn't what a Vol fan does but what a 13 year old girl with a crush does.

 

[Volfaninfl2]

Can’t redshirt Shrout.

Currently on the roster, Shrout is listed as a redshirt freshman.

 

[butchna]

Currently on the roster, Shrout is listed as a redshirt freshman.

Cuz he redshirted last year.

 

[LargeOrange1]

Most of these guys are too young to appreciate this

Lol...good point. I'm old....I admit it.

 

[k-town_king]

I am unlike you in a lot of ways. One, I have had only one account and screen name since joining this board. Two, I'm not a liar.

Yet you are dumb enough to think there aren't a lot of players who didn't attend a bunch of camps and who suffered from not playing with very good talent around them. Again, you are apparently not intellectually capable of saying good things about JG without trashing other players in complete ignorance.


What you did... is trashing the other players. You did it to Dormady. You did it to Chryst. You're doing it to the two current back ups. You've done it to the OL. You've done it to the receivers and backs. You've done it to the coaches.

This blind thrashing against everyone else to defend JG... is stupid. It isn't what a Vol fan does but what a 13 year old girl with a crush does.

Thrashing someone is claiming they are intellectually inferior to a player they clearly are better than in every way.

That is what you did to Dobbs and JG. So I'm just speaking facts that have been proven by results on the field and who started over who. You keep trashing the better player.
Saying a starting qb is better than his backup's backup is not bashing. Grow a pair and stop being a hypocrite.