JA granted temporary restraining order against NCAA eligibility rules

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TheVolsFrog said:
Hooker didn't sit behind Milton for a whole year, it was only a couple of games. Milton is the one who sat a whole year behind Hooker
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Valid. But at the end of the day, it still holds true. Hooker could have easily missed the entire 2021 season sitting behind Milton.
 
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Voltopia said:
Eh, Hooker looked good his first year, too, once he took over for Milton. Everyone was astounded he hadn't been playing all year. His play at QB helped get Tennessee to the post-season.

And the second year is when Hyatt took off.
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And you do not think Aguilar looked good? I mean, he had a tumor in his throwing arm as well and still looked better than Nico.
 
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Soon the HS kids will sue saying their earning potential is being negativelyl impacted by too many old college players staying around.
 
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FranklinVFL said:
And you do not think Aguilar looked good? I mean, he had a tumor in his throwing arm as well and still looked better than Nico.
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The statement was that Hooker got better in his second year. He certainly performed better, but Hooker also looked good taking over in 2021, AND had Hyatt during that second year. Jalin Hyatt was the perfect player for Heupel's offense. Could get behind anyone in record time. My point being that Hooker certainly did improve, but it wasn't just Hooker making some sort of huge improvement. I think Hyatt gave Hooker a dependable deep threat he could connect with at will.

As for Aguilar, he looked good at times, but some of his success came against the preseason OOC slate and UGA. Struggled more through the SEC slate. 24 TD / 10 INT for the season. 15/7 in the SEC. He also floated the occasional pass. He did it all year - the weaker teams just couldn't take advantage of it.

Did he look better than Nico? Mostly, yes. But he's going to get picked off in big games and that won't change with an extra year.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The question is what rules the NCAA can make about eligibility which are not "unreasonable" and the JUCO question is probably a win as "unreasonable."

The bigger question is this being stretched as a precedent into..... should D3 or D2 count? Is that reasonable? Is 5 years a reasonable limit to get a degree? Is 6? Is 8? Is that reasonable?

The Supreme Court said "reasonable" curbs on the market were acceptable for the NCAA to use and didn't violate Antitrust Law.

Defining "reasonable" didn't work well with NIL amounts and rules.

Defining "reasonable" didn't work well with transfer restrictions and rules.

I don't envision defining "reasonable" to work well with eligibility restrictions and rules either.
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Schools are still education institutes LOL@ that when it comes to sports but they can already limit how long a person can stay at their school

As far as D2, D3, yes it should count towards the the years as they fall under the NCAA jurisdiction. JUCO nor does the NIT fall under the NCAA jurisdiction.
The issue the NCAA ran into with the law was they didn't want kids to be paid period, not even for signing a card but the schools were profiting off their work, that's where they ran into trouble with antitrust.

End of the day, the NCAA will eventually ask for some type of limited AntiTrust exemptions so they can put in rules that will have to be agreed about between the NCAA, schools and Congress.
 
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xpsyclonex2002 said:
Valid. But at the end of the day, it still holds true. Hooker could have easily missed the entire 2021 season sitting behind Milton.
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but he didn't like you stated previously. everything else is would've, could've, should've
 
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StuckInBamaVol said:
As much as we would want this to happen, I hope it doesn’t.

It’s time to end this madness. Not only is he playing a career college QB. I think it sends a poor message to the QB locker room.
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You’ve done it now!! You’ve voiced your opinion and those who disagree are gonna call you a nega, troll. Not a vol fan and who knows what else. But I agree with you.
 
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Joey is very serviceable. I'd just as soon go with GMac, otherwise he will most likely
transfer and become All-American.
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
No. An injunction will pretty mean until a hearing that Joey is eligible to play as any other student.
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Why? It appears the judge is basing his ruling on his determination that the NCAA's position violates Tennessee law, which does not govern activities in other states.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Tell that to Carson Beck. There’s ways around it. “Graduate research” etc.
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Beck was taking online classes. The interview where he said "I don't go to class" was specific to traditional classes.

There are lots of class types that do not require in person attendence.

I completed my bachelor's degree by correspondence in the late 1980's. Not going to traditional classes has been widespread since the Internet was invented.
 
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SuzyVol said:
Why? It appears the judge is basing his ruling on his determination that the NCAA's position violates Tennessee law, which does not govern activities in other states.
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It means that if the NCAA violates a state court order, they will get taken to federal court with an injunction to prevent any sanctions until the case is decided.

In that case, Joey wins.
 
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BillyHoyleVol said:
I love Joey. I've got a buddy who golfs with him. He seems like a really great dude. I don't like this.

You've got G-Leaguers in CBB, guys playing 6-8 years in CFB...and the inevitable is coming in college baseball. Wait until the high schooler who took the draft money decides he doesn't like humping it in the minors for a few years and wants to come live like a king in college...
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Yeah, baseball is way different. That can never happen.
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
Schools are still education institutes LOL@ that when it comes to sports but they can already limit how long a person can stay at their school

As far as D2, D3, yes it should count towards the the years as they fall under the NCAA jurisdiction. JUCO nor does the NIT fall under the NCAA jurisdiction.
The issue the NCAA ran into with the law was they didn't want kids to be paid period, not even for signing a card but the schools were profiting off their work, that's where they ran into trouble with antitrust.

End of the day, the NCAA will eventually ask for some type of limited AntiTrust exemptions so they can put in rules that will have to be agreed about between the NCAA, schools and Congress.
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I agree the end result is Congress creating some kind of special case for college. However I'd trust a toddler with fixing my investment portfolio as much as I'd trust Congress to fix college football.

Until then, the question is how far will the lawsuits push these questions in court? As we've seen with NIL restrictions and transfer restrictions, the courts see few "reasonable" restrictions and a lot of Antitrust violations. That's left us with the NIL and transfer issues that most fans do not like.

I suspect there will be an attempt by players who have lower NFL potential, essentially like Joey A, to try to obtain more eligibility by challenging the NCAA rules further and further.

Will they win? I dunno. Logic would say guys playing for 4 teams in 4 years is completely unreasonable but the courts are okay with it. 🤷‍♂️
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
Schools are still education institutes LOL@ that when it comes to sports but they can already limit how long a person can stay at their school

As far as D2, D3, yes it should count towards the the years as they fall under the NCAA jurisdiction. JUCO nor does the NIT fall under the NCAA jurisdiction.
The issue the NCAA ran into with the law was they didn't want kids to be paid period, not even for signing a card but the schools were profiting off their work, that's where they ran into trouble with antitrust.

End of the day, the NCAA will eventually ask for some type of limited AntiTrust exemptions so they can put in rules that will have to be agreed about between the NCAA, schools and Congress.
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They are going to have a tough time for that without granting employee status to college athletes. That means paying salaries and benefits to every athlete including the non revenue sports.

If you think college sports are expensive now, wait until the wine s volleyball team and men's golf team get paid.

Then you have unionization, collective bargaining, potential strikes, eliminating tte military academy sports programs...

The NCAA would rather have the inchworm fighting retreat they are doing now than that.

That's why they will likely lose the Aguilar case. It's why they are not making much noise about the Clemson/Ole Miss tampering allegations, and none at all about the Duke/Miami tampering thing.

Now there is the case about the furner G League MBB athlete playing for Alabama. He has two years of college eligibility left. The NCAA is going to have a hard time arguing the "student athletes" thing if they keep fighting against him re enrolling at Bama if they don't let him play.

The NCAA has put themselves put the defensive. They were so arrogant they never thought it could e any other way. They can't legally justify any rule that doesn't have an objective basis and that violates the law. They just can't get out of their own way.
 
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SuzyVol said:
Why? It appears the judge is basing his ruling on his determination that the NCAA's position violates Tennessee law, which does not govern activities in other states.
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That's not the only reason given. A lower court(TN state court) will give an injunction that says everything has to go on as if the plaintiff is in good eligible, the State court won't hear the actual case until after the season is over. If TN court finally rules in Joey favor, it would then have to go to Fed court. I think if an injunction is granted the NCAA will just drop it otherwise they risk an unfavorable ruling and precedence is now set that others could use to strengthen their case
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I agree the end result is Congress creating some kind of special case for college. However I'd trust a toddler with fixing my investment portfolio as much as I'd trust Congress to fix college football.

Until then, the question is how far will the lawsuits push these questions in court? As we've seen with NIL restrictions and transfer restrictions, the courts see few "reasonable" restrictions and a lot of Antitrust violations. That's left us with the NIL and transfer issues that most fans do not like.

I suspect there will be an attempt by players who have lower NFL potential, essentially like Joey A, to try to obtain more eligibility by challenging the NCAA rules further and further.

Will they win? I dunno. Logic would say guys playing for 4 teams in 4 years is completely unreasonable but the courts are okay with it. 🤷‍♂️
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The would use the NFL as a blue print, but I see things going either players become employees or contract workers. Sports like Football and basketball probably will become like a club team that's affiliated with a school and they pay a licensing fee to the school for use of the name and other things while still allowing the club team that's part of whatever organization that's created to attend classes there.

I think a limit on years is reasonable, the question is as you said before the amount of years as no job is guaranteed and there's already jobs that are contracted for X amount of years.
I say 5 or 6 is reasonable as College is still a learning institute and you're expected to graduate in X years.
 
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kell7517 said:
You’ve done it now!! You’ve voiced your opinion and those who disagree are gonna call you a nega, troll. Not a vol fan and who knows what else. But I agree with you.
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Oh, trust me they are already slamming me.

Evidently, you can be here as long as you want and never leave.

They are only agreeing because it benifits the program. If another team did it, they’d lose their minds.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
They are going to have a tough time for that without granting employee status to college athletes. That means paying salaries and benefits to every athlete including the non revenue sports.

If you think college sports are expensive now, wait until the wine s volleyball team and men's golf team get paid.

Then you have unionization, collective bargaining, potential strikes, eliminating tte military academy sports programs...

The NCAA would rather have the inchworm fighting retreat they are doing now than that.

That's why they will likely lose the Aguilar case. It's why they are not making much noise about the Clemson/Ole Miss tampering allegations, and none at all about the Duke/Miami tampering thing.

Now there is the case about the furner G League MBB athlete playing for Alabama. He has two years of college eligibility left. The NCAA is going to have a hard time arguing the "student athletes" thing if they keep fighting against him re enrolling at Bama if they don't let him play.

The NCAA has put themselves put the defensive. They were so arrogant they never thought it could e any other way. They can't legally justify any rule that doesn't have an objective basis and that violates the law. They just can't get out of their own way.
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I think Basketball and Football will eventually break away into some other organization that will have pretty much the things you listed and become a club team that pays colleges licensing fees and the other sports will have to live off that $20million that schools are now allocated to spend amongst sports

Yeah the NCAA screwed up big time with the Bama thing and also the other player that played pro ball overseas coming back.
Like you said, good like with the amateur student
 
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