JA granted temporary restraining order against NCAA eligibility rules

[SuzyVol]

It means that if the NCAA violates a state court order, they will get taken to federal court with an injunction to prevent any sanctions until the case is decided.

In that case, Joey wins.

Again, it appears the TRO, and subsequently the injunction, is going to be granted because the Knox County judge believes that Joey will likely prevail on his argument that NCAA's position is contrary to Tennessee law, not anyone's argument that the NCAA's position is contrary to federal anti-trust law. Use UT's 2026 game at Arkansas as an example. Why would Tennessee law govern eligibility for a game played in Arkansas? There may well be a legal basis for the Knox County judge to issue an injunction, based on a particular Tennessee statute, that would be applicable in other states with other relevant laws. I don't know.

 

[volfan102455]

Soon the HS kids will sue saying their earning potential is being negativelyl impacted by too many old college players staying around.

They need to prove their worth - we have HS kids coming out and being paid lots of NIL when they have not yet proven they can compete.

The older players that have showcased that they can compete have an advantage because it is clear what they can and can't do.

I see it no different in the job marketplace where experience generally leads to better opportunities.

 

[cherokeeeVOL]

At least this offseason our QB actually WANTS to be here.

 

[Walkman]

Oh, trust me they are already slamming me.

Evidently, you can be here as long as you want and never leave.

They are only agreeing because it benifits the program. If another team did it, they’d lose their minds.

Let it go! Joey will be playing and most reasonable Vol fans will be very happy after having a very successful 26/27 season. We won’t be crying about how it was unfair and how we somehow sent a bad message to the qb locker room.

 

[volfan102455]

Again, it appears the TRO, and subsequently the injunction, is going to be granted because the Knox County judge believes that Joey will likely prevail on his argument that NCAA's position is contrary to Tennessee law, not anyone's argument that the NCAA's position is contrary to federal anti-trust law. Use UT's 2026 game at Arkansas as an example. Why would Tennessee law govern eligibility for a game played in Arkansas? There may well be a legal basis for the Knox County judge to issue an injunction, based on a particular Tennessee statute, that would be applicable in other states with other relevant laws. I don't know.

Not a legal expert but I do know in some instances, if there are conflicts between laws in a state, the jurisdiction or resident state associated with the person or entity overrides.

I'm assuming Tennessee would take precedence for Joey.

This is an interesting twist on these situations though.

 

[allvol17]

If anbody deserves another year it's Joey...

- 2 years of JUCO
- Screwed over at UCLA
- played 2025 with a tumor

You left out the two years at App State...

I like Joey. I wish him well. But I also don't like the precedent it sets for CFB.

CFB is a mess.

While this may help short term, it might just be really bad in the long term.

 

[volfan102455]

Oh, trust me they are already slamming me.

Evidently, you can be here as long as you want and never leave.

They are only agreeing because it benifits the program. If another team did it, they’d lose their minds.

Not true for all of us. I feel he should get 4 years at the D1 level and that JUCO should not count because it is not governed by the NCAA.

 

[particlesmatter]

They need to prove their worth - we have HS kids coming out and being paid lots of NIL when they have not yet proven they can compete.

The older players that have showcased that they can compete have an advantage because it is clear what they can and can't do.

I see it no different in the job marketplace where experience generally leads to better opportunities.

Maybe they can use historical HS NIL deals as proof?

 

[Clad in Big Orange]

Boom! Feels like '98.

 

[volfan102455]

I also think that at some point the HS players need to re-evaluate how they approach college sports.

Do they go to a D1 school knowing they may sit on the bench and burn up eligibility, or do they go to a JUCO, build up their resume and then use that to propel their potential at a D1 school and possibly extend their NIL potential?

In reality it is not the JUCO path that is the issue - it is the transfer portal that allows players to move if they are not getting playing time.

The days of a player starting at one school and staying there for 4 years is coming to an end, especially at the QB level where there is more QB's entering the college ranks than there are schools for them to play.

 

[volfan102455]

Maybe they can use historical HS NIL deals as proof?

To me it is proof of ability on the field and not proof they have made NIL somewhere.

Many HS players become small fish in an ocean and just don't make it.

 

[ChrisVFL]

If they schedule, Preliminary Injunction, he’ll most likely be playing in 26’

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

The would use the NFL as a blue print, but I see things going either players become employees or contract workers. Sports like Football and basketball probably will become like a club team that's affiliated with a school and they pay a licensing fee to the school for use of the name and other things while still allowing the club team that's part of whatever organization that's created to attend classes there.

I think a limit on years is reasonable, the question is as you said before the amount of years as no job is guaranteed and there's already jobs that are contracted for X amount of years.
I say 5 or 6 is reasonable as College is still a learning institute and you're expected to graduate in X years.

The hope, I think, is that Congress would carve out a different niche for the NCAA where the players are legally NOT employees but a newly created class called "student athletes" which the NCAA can legally control within reason via some arbitration with a group of ex athletes, athletes, etc advocating legally for them.

The employee designation puts student athletes under lots of employee rules and gives them rights the NCAA would prefer to avoid, including having to pay all of the school's athletes perhaps a minimum and insure them and age discrimination issues and gender issues and....

I've advocated the schools should get out of the pro sports business for years now. Be schools and don't own and run multi-million dollar sports businesses.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

The would use the NFL as a blue print, but I see things going either players become employees or contract workers. Sports like Football and basketball probably will become like a club team that's affiliated with a school and they pay a licensing fee to the school for use of the name and other things while still allowing the club team that's part of whatever organization that's created to attend classes there.

I think a limit on years is reasonable, the question is as you said before the amount of years as no job is guaranteed and there's already jobs that are contracted for X amount of years.
I say 5 or 6 is reasonable as College is still a learning institute and you're expected to graduate in X years.

That is incomplete reasoning. There is no rule against staying in college for far longer and getting multiple degrees for anyone. Arbitrarily limiting that for athletes is not reasonable.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

The hope, I think, is that Congress would carve out a different niche for the NCAA where the players are legally NOT employees but a newly created class called "student athletes" which the NCAA can legally control within reason via some arbitration with a group of ex athletes, athletes, etc advocating legally for them.

The employee designation puts student athletes under lots of employee rules and gives them rights the NCAA would prefer to avoid, including having to pay all of the school's athletes perhaps a minimum and insure them and age discrimination issues and gender issues and....

I've advocated the schools should get out of the pro sports business for years now. Be schools and don't own and run multi-million dollar sports businesses.

Can't do it. People are either employees or contractors. You can't get around that be creating a bogus employment category.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I also think that at some point the HS players need to re-evaluate how they approach college sports.

Do they go to a D1 school knowing they may sit on the bench and burn up eligibility, or do they go to a JUCO, build up their resume and then use that to propel their potential at a D1 school and possibly extend their NIL potential?

In reality it is not the JUCO path that is the issue - it is the transfer portal that allows players to move if they are not getting playing time.

The days of a player starting at one school and staying there for 4 years is coming to an end, especially at the QB level where there is more QB's entering the college ranks than there are schools for them to play.

It's money. If you're G-Mac or Faizon and getting a half million to sit, that doesn't suck.

If you DO have NFL potential, being older isn't a plus for many positions because your body wears out.

 

[TheVolsFrog]

Again, it appears the TRO, and subsequently the injunction, is going to be granted because the Knox County judge believes that Joey will likely prevail on his argument that NCAA's position is contrary to Tennessee law, not anyone's argument that the NCAA's position is contrary to federal anti-trust law. Use UT's 2026 game at Arkansas as an example. Why would Tennessee law govern eligibility for a game played in Arkansas? There may well be a legal basis for the Knox County judge to issue an injunction, based on a particular Tennessee statute, that would be applicable in other states with other relevant laws. I don't know.

That's not the Judges only point and other states are also likely to have a similar law and the judge can only rule on what Joey lawyers presented.
The injunction isn't against Arkansas or any other state where games will be played. It's going to be against the NCAA organization. The NCAA operates in this state and has to abide by those laws. The injunction is going to be against the NCAA and while that's in place the NCAA has to act as though Joey is able to play by law.

Your stuck on that point.

 

[DaddyChad]

I don’t think anyone likes that the entire sport is a greedy semi pro league of mercenaries. That said you can be pissed at the current state of the sport and happy for Tennessee at the same time. Aguilar back at Tennessee bare minimum gives the vols a very very good QB room. Whether GMac stays or leaves after the year is up to him but the competition will only make him better whatever he decides to do.

Idk why people have to bitch about obviously great news for their team.

 

[a vol n tears]

Why? What good, objective reason do you have?

It is actually just the opposite as a rule. The 18 and 19 year olds are typically NOT ready to compete against the 20-24 year olds they already face. So why not give kids a "grow up" period in JUCO so they're on a more equal plain when they join the 20-25 competition?

If he wins, this could provide a VERY good solution to bridge the HS to CFB jump with fewer injuries and "busts". Kids that are ready at 18 could still sign with a 4 year school.

If every school had the same rules that you couldn’t play for 6 years, it all evens out. In the past the redshirt rule allowed kids to mature for a year. Years ago freshmen weren’t allowed to play varsity for that exact reason. Now you have 17 year old kids graduating early so they can play against so called men.
Following the current logic, “minor league” players can play forever by suing they are limiting their income potential by barring them from competing in college athletics. Just continue getting more and more majors and degrees. It has truly taken my love away for the college game. If the Bama G league player wins his court case, baseball will see a huge jump in lawsuits from career minor leaguers.

 

[TheVolsFrog]

I don’t think anyone likes that the entire sport is a greedy semi pro league of mercenaries. That said you can be pissed at the current state of the sport and happy for Tennessee at the same time. Aguilar back at Tennessee bare minimum gives the vols a very very good QB room. Whether GMac stays or leaves after the year is up to him but the competition will only make him better whatever he decides to do.

Idk why people have to bitch about obviously great news for their team.

Because they refuse to accept that things change and still holding on to the back in my day....
They're paid now. If someone doesn't get to play and leaves, oh well, keep buying the best team you can yearly until it gets sorted and it eventually will, until weather the storm and GB

 

[lastlapuncle]

One down!

 

[DaddyChad]

Because they refuse to accept that things change and still holding on to the back in my day....
They're paid now. If someone doesn't get to play and leaves, oh well, keep buying the best team you can yearly until it gets sorted and it eventually will, until weather the storm and GB

Exactly if George or Faizon are ready to go they will beat out Joey. You put the best guys in your qb room and let the fight it out and prove who’s best. I do think George will be a good qb for us or someone else even if he gets beat out this year. People think we owe something to George though; you’re just not promised a starting position on the field. Even if you do that stupid crap it doesn’t mean a player will be “loyal” to you.

 

[EastTNVol6240]

At least this offseason our QB actually WANTS to be here.

Might be a stretch. What he wants is money. I like JA. But he knows he has a better shot of getting big money here than he does the pros.

 

[SuzyVol]

That's not the Judges only point and other states are also likely to have a similar law and the judge can only rule on what Joey lawyers presented.
The injunction isn't against Arkansas or any other state where games will be played. It's going to be against the NCAA organization. The NCAA operates in this state and has to abide by those laws. The injunction is going to be against the NCAA and while that's in place the NCAA has to act as though Joey is able to play by law.

Your stuck on that point.

We both may be stuck on our respective points. Joey withdrew from the federal lawsuit and elected to pursue his case in a state court. I'm merely wondering if there may be some unintended consequences associated with that decision. As a practical matter, the NCAA would probably never take such a position, so don't bother telling me I'm tilting at windmills. But, aside from your steadfast assertions, I wonder if there is a legal reason why the NCAA could not take such a position. I'm not asking about Arkansas, or any other state, taking a position.

 

[DaddyChad]

Might be a stretch. What he wants is money. I like JA. But he knows he has a better shot of getting big money here than he does the pros.

He came to Tennessee bc he wanted to start. A major program QB is going to get big money.