JA granted temporary restraining order against NCAA eligibility rules

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I am wondering if JG can still hit the portal after this ruling? Also wondering what the 2-5 star qb's would think about his coming back after seeing last years backup get very limited playing time behind AG. UT needs to make up its mind if they will get their starter from the portal, which I agree with, or continue to recruit top QB's each season. I don't think you can do both.
 
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So the next step is the injunction hearing? Is that a one-time deal or does that kick off another set of steps towards a decision? Also if what I read is true, UT would be getting him for 2 million which is a hell of a deal for UT. SEC's returning leading passer for 2 million...🤯
 
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McDad said:
Well sport, you don't make the rules and you don't have any influence over the nature of eligibility. Might as well support what gives the team we love the best chance of competing for championships.
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Don't abandon the high ground when he hasn't offered a reason other than his feelings. We've seen a lot of things that have made CFB WORSE. This has GREAT potential to mitigate some of that damage and reward the players who are truly "amateurs" trying to get an education.
 
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McDad said:
Well sport, you don't make the rules and you don't have any influence over the nature of eligibility. Might as well support what gives the team we love the best chance of competing for championships.
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That's where I'm at. Not gonna feel bad now that these kids making 6 and 7 figures. If we're paying then buy the best you can for this team to win.
Until they get contracts to lock them into a school. Get used to new faces every year. Root for the team, not the player.
 
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MDsweetT said:
Joey is 24, will be 25 when the season starts. Michael Penix, Bo Nix, Tyler Shough, Jayden Daniels and our VFL Hendon Hooker were all drafted between the ages of 24-26 in the last 3 years.

Tyler Shough was in college for 7 years at 3 different schools. This would be Joey’s 4th division 1️⃣ year at 3 different schools.

TJ Finley is going to his 7th school in 7 years. I say this to say Joey isn’t even that old compared to other QBs on similar paths. His issue is JUCo years counting towards his career eligibility.

He’d finish the season at 25 and we’ve seen guys in his age range be drafted, including HH.
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Just as a point of clarification, Penix and Daniels were both 23 when drafted. Daniels didn't turn 24 until the end of his rookie season.
 
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I love it. No more age restrictions. I predicted this years ago. No more rules.

As I've said before, I look forward to seeing 30-something ex-NFL linemen coming back to college to cash a few more big checks before giving up football. The empty smiles, the flat corporate language, the half-hearted "Go Vols!" as they're announced as starters on the jumbotron. I want it all. "College" athletics? Ha. Sure. This is big business and no one should be prevented from making a dollar. Schools can't determine eligibility, right? That's a no-no. So embrace it. Embrace all of it.

You want a game with no rules, embrace a game with no rules. No half measures. No hypocrisy.
 
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McDad said:
Well sport, you don't make the rules and you don't have any influence over the nature of eligibility. Might as well support what gives the team we love the best chance of competing for championships.
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Well, jerk. I never said I did. I have my opinion and you have yours.
 
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sjt18 said:
Why? What good, objective reason do you have?

It is actually just the opposite as a rule. The 18 and 19 year olds are typically NOT ready to compete against the 20-24 year olds they already face. So why not give kids a "grow up" period in JUCO so they're on a more equal plain when they join the 20-25 competition?

If he wins, this could provide a VERY good solution to bridge the HS to CFB jump with fewer injuries and "busts". Kids that are ready at 18 could still sign with a 4 year school.
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I just don’t agree with someone with that much time in college playing, simple as that.
 
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sjt18 said:
Why? What good, objective reason do you have?

It is actually just the opposite as a rule. The 18 and 19 year olds are typically NOT ready to compete against the 20-24 year olds they already face. So why not give kids a "grow up" period in JUCO so they're on a more equal plain when they join the 20-25 competition?

If he wins, this could provide a VERY good solution to bridge the HS to CFB jump with fewer injuries and "busts". Kids that are ready at 18 could still sign with a 4 year school.
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Great question.

The answer is that there is no objective reason for it. It's arbitrary and capricious. Judges love to rule for plaintiffs who prove that.
 
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Woodworker said:
Joey is not coming back to compete.Do you all think Heupel would roll a freshman or the kid from Colorado, with the numbers Joey put up last year. I hope he don't come back and moves on personally. If this staff doesn't make playoffs with portal and Joey returning and the great Jim Knowels and some of his players and coaches. Then Heupel is not your guy.
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That was epically confused.
 
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cherokeeeVOL said:
So the next step is the injunction hearing? Is that a one-time deal or does that kick off another set of steps towards a decision? Also if what I read is true, UT would be getting him for 2 million which is a hell of a deal for UT. SEC's returning leading passer for 2 million...🤯
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Somewhere NCAA leaders and their lawyers are huddled up trying to figure out their best strategy. This ruling likely indicates a bias toward JA. So does the NCAA want to risk fighting and creating a precedent across the country in Knox County?

My guess is they'll try to angle for a different venue or drop it for now then take it up in a more favorable court later.

The best thing to do would be to present the judge with a plan. Maybe restrict RS for players who sign with an NCAA affiliate more than 2 years after graduation but then allowing JUCOs to play 4 years after moving up.
 
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VOLtaism said:
I am wondering if JG can still hit the portal after this ruling? Also wondering what the 2-5 star qb's would think about his coming back after seeing last years backup get very limited playing time behind AG. UT needs to make up its mind if they will get their starter from the portal, which I agree with, or continue to recruit top QB's each season. I don't think you can do both.
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Portal is closed.
As far as what the QB's think. They should be thinking I'm taking QB1 spot.
 
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StuckInBamaVol said:
It’s not a bad or illegal rule. It’s common sense that no one should play this long.
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That's the Appeal to Common Sense logical fallacy. There is no objective reason for it. Ergo, it's a bad rule that likely violates state and federal law.

The law doesn't deal in subjective like common sense.
 
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StuckInBamaVol said:
I just don’t agree with someone with that much time in college playing, simple as that.
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And you still have not given any reason other than your "feelings" to explain why. You haven't tried to explain why it wouldn't be BETTER for the athletes and quality of the game. It most definitely WOULD be good for the "academic" side of "student athlete".

You're reacting emotionally without thinking it through.

Maybe start with this. A 20 year old with two years of development in JUCO is MUCH better prepared to compete with a 24-25 year old than an 18 year old HS recruit is to compete with a 22-23 year old senior.

Most of the young guys don't play specifically because they aren't developed enough. Why not give most of them a couple of years in JUCO to get ready? For that matter, maybe stop counting D-II or D-III against eligibility.

What you oppose actually reintroduces more amateurism AND enables the kids to get the best education at a realistic pace.
 
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Mixed emotions regardless how it turns out. Having Uncle Rico trying to still play college football at 25-27 years old isn't good for the game. On the other hand, there's a ton of players who end up riding the bench for years before getting a fair shot at the field. Take a guy like Hooker. He almost sat behind Milton for a whole year before Milton got hurt. He could have found himself stuck there. He just needed the opportunity. Some guys don't get lucky. Should they change schools, getting playing time, and show that they can start, why not give them another year to show the NFL scouts what they have?
 
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