JA granted temporary restraining order against NCAA eligibility rules

#26
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He’s not cleared yet, but this is a great early step. We need an experienced QB this season. No more rolling the dice with inexperienced freshmen. First time Heupel would have had the same QB in back to back years since Hooker. I know some people want to see GMac play, but the only thing that matters in this new era of CFB is winning. And you do that with older, experienced players.
 
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BillyHoyleVol said:
I love Joey. I've got a buddy who golfs with him. He seems like a really great dude. I don't like this.

You've got G-Leaguers in CBB, guys playing 6-8 years in CFB...and the inevitable is coming in college baseball. Wait until the high schooler who took the draft money decides he doesn't like humping it in the minors for a few years and wants to come live like a king in college...
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Joey is 24, will be 25 when the season starts. Michael Penix, Bo Nix, Tyler Shough, Jayden Daniels and our VFL Hendon Hooker were all drafted between the ages of 24-26 in the last 3 years.

Tyler Shough was in college for 7 years at 3 different schools. This would be Joey’s 4th division 1️⃣ year at 3 different schools.

TJ Finley is going to his 7th school in 7 years. I say this to say Joey isn’t even that old compared to other QBs on similar paths. His issue is JUCo years counting towards his career eligibility.

He’d finish the season at 25 and we’ve seen guys in his age range be drafted, including HH.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
If this case gets settled in the next 12 months I'll be astonished. The courts move about as fast as your average glacier.
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But our glaciers are melting like the NCAA.
Will this continue or will the NCAA get cold hearted again?
 
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Figure he would. I thought his case was solid that JUCO years shouldn't count, they're not governed by the same association.
If you're going to say JUCO football counts then you have to take into consideration HS kids playing football that are also taking JUCO classes and graduate with an Associates
Just easier to say that doesn't count towards NCAA sports.

No way this case is actually heard before the end of the year either.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
If this case gets settled in the next 12 months I'll be astonished. The courts move about as fast as your average glacier.
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Yeah I'm not worried about it seeing the inside of a courtroom before the season is over.
I remember going through my divorce and we had the prelim hearing just to see who got custody of our son.
Judge gave me custody until the divorce hearing and said it would probably be a year before we had our final hearing. At that point I knew it was a win. She gave up about 2 months later so that it would be a noncontested and at that point the judge just needed to sign the paperwork from the lawyer.
 
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So help me understand, why would they do a 15 day TRO instead of a TRO until the case is heard? 15 days seems pointless.

Or is that what Fridays meeting is for?
 
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Joey will play this year. If Gmac beats him out in the Spring than great but I highly doubt that will happen. I'm sure Joey wants another year to prove he is better also.
 
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McDad said:
You'll still get your chance to compete. If you aren't good enough, that's on you. Be upset with yourself.
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Exactly. You let VN tell it Brandon was gonna beat out GMAc and start anyway even though I LOL at that thought.
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
Yeah I'm not worried about it seeing the inside of a courtroom before the season is over.
I remember going through my divorce and we had the prelim hearing just to see who got custody of our son.
Judge gave me custody until the divorce hearing and said it would probably be a year before we had our final hearing. At that point I knew it was a win. She gave up about 2 months later so that it would be a noncontested and at that point the judge just needed to sign the paperwork from the lawyer.
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I work in the Child Support system. Even simple cases take at least 6 months to resolve and that's with a divorce decree complete, a parenting plan already in place, no one disputing anything, and no lawyers involved.

If Joey get an injunction that lasts until the case is resolved, this is over.
 
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StuckInBamaVol said:
I mean, you can keep defending a 25 year old playing a kids game if you want to.

The fact is, his time should be over. Time to move on.
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The alternative is to watch teams (indiana and vanderbilt) with grown men compete against our kids if we don't pursue the best players regardless of age.

I am sure you will be supportive of another loss to Vanderbilt as long as they are fielding a team of older players?
 
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McDad said:
The alternative is to watch teams (indiana and vanderbilt) with grown men compete against our kids if we don't pursue the best players regardless of age.

I am sure you will be supportive of another loss to Vanderbilt as long as they are fielding a team of older players?
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I’m not going to defend people that have to sue for eligibility. Simple as that.
 
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BillyHoyleVol said:
I love Joey. I've got a buddy who golfs with him. He seems like a really great dude. I don't like this.

You've got G-Leaguers in CBB, guys playing 6-8 years in CFB...and the inevitable is coming in college baseball. Wait until the high schooler who took the draft money decides he doesn't like humping it in the minors for a few years and wants to come live like a king in college...
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No reason it has to be a slippery slope or bad for CFB. It could actually rectify some of the damaging things lately.

You would still have "5 star HS players" who go straight to a 4 year school. You'd still have guys leaving early for the NFL. But you would also have an opportunity for "late bloomers" and others to develop while playing against guys at their own level of physical, mental, and emotional development. You probably have fewer burnouts, flame outs, and injuries. Young guys could make their mistakes and cut their teeth without the intense spotlight of fans and media.

Academically, this would be a HUGE win. Realistically, guys need 6 years while effectively having a full time job as a football player. Many if not most are NOT ready for the full rigors of a high level college when they sign to play. Those whose future is not the pros... would graduate with a degree that they EARNED in full at 24. It has the potential to significantly improve the quality of the education they get. The better students... would have the opportunity for a masters.

I think some of the changes have done harm. I don't think this one would. I think it would mitigate some of the past harm.
 
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Joey is not coming back to compete.Do you all think Heupel would roll a freshman or the kid from Colorado, with the numbers Joey put up last year. I hope he don't come back and moves on personally. If this staff doesn't make playoffs with portal and Joey returning and the great Jim Knowels and some of his players and coaches. Then Heupel is not your guy.
 
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StuckInBamaVol said:
I’m not going to defend people that have to sue for eligibility. Simple as that.
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Well sport, you don't make the rules and you don't have any influence over the nature of eligibility. Might as well support what gives the team we love the best chance of competing for championships.
 
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StuckInBamaVol said:
I mean, you can keep defending a 25 year old playing a kids game if you want to.

The fact is, his time should be over. Time to move on.
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Why? What good, objective reason do you have?

It is actually just the opposite as a rule. The 18 and 19 year olds are typically NOT ready to compete against the 20-24 year olds they already face. So why not give kids a "grow up" period in JUCO so they're on a more equal plain when they join the 20-25 competition?

If he wins, this could provide a VERY good solution to bridge the HS to CFB jump with fewer injuries and "busts". Kids that are ready at 18 could still sign with a 4 year school.
 
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