Iran

[85SugarVol]

I'm all for him pulling out ASAP. However he just made everything worse. No regime change. Just one that's even more convinced it needs a nuke. And a new source of revenue for the regime that will drive oil prices up.

Ain’t that the sad truth…

All he’s accomplished is pushing Iran to the point where they proved that yes, they were capable of pretty much closing off the strait.

And now, they’ll make us pay to use it going forward.

 

[utvolpj]

It was already open without a fight

 

[Orangeslice13]

according to Trump they started this war with our Tomahawks. so maybe he was playing some of that 4D chess already.

Not likely. I just think if we’re going to waste this much money, maybe this time we leave it for the people who might use it to help themselves by overthrowing their oppressors.

It never seems to work out when we try to tell them what they want and then force it on them

 

[Orangeslice13]

How are the mines put in place with no navy?

I set fish trees with a Jon boat. Gotta be the same kinda thing

 

[Sea Ray]

According to US intelligence and the best and brightest of the administration. You asked me if I wanted them to have them and I’ve endeavored to answer your question. Now I’m off to a parent teacher conference with the ex Mrs SonofUT62.

Words are important and I didn’t ask if you wanted Iran to have them. My question was framed “is it unacceptable for Iran to acquire nukes”? Most of the world agrees that it’s not. You mentioned Saudi. They’ve said if Iran gets them then they will get them too

Can we believe the intelligence that states Iran was very close? Good question. I will say that Mossad intelligence has been very accurate in this war. They seem to know where every Iranian leader is. I have a lot of confidence in their intelligence

 

[NashVol11]

Can we believe the intelligence that states Iran was very close? Good question. I will say that Mossad intelligence has been very accurate in this war. They seem to know where every Iranian leader is. I have a lot of confidence in their intelligence

We and/or Israel has been claiming Iran was "very close" for 40+ years. We said we set them back by "years, I repeat, years" in June 2025

IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Eyal Zamir: “I can say here that the assessment is that we significantly damaged the nuclear program, and I can also say that we set it back by years, I repeat, years.”

 

[NashVol11]

This missile hit a(nother) elementary school and sports hall, killing 21

Doesn't seem like a great way to go out

 

[MAD]

When doing the right thing, never listen to the haters.

Iran is weaker than ever. Israel is stronger than ever

 

[BeardedVol]

So we've come full circle back to fearmongering to try to drum up support for US adventurism in the Middle-East?

 

[Sea Ray]

We and/or Israel has been claiming Iran was "very close" for 40+ years. We said we set them back by "years, I repeat, years" in June 2025

I would venture a guess that that assessment changed. This happens. I can’t imagine that either Israel or our country would want to start such an undertaking unless they felt the threat was imminent

 

[NashVol11]

I would venture a guess that that assessment changed. This happens. I can’t imagine that either Israel or our country would want to start such an undertaking unless they felt the threat was imminent

Huh? Israel has transparently wanted to do this forever, which is why Netanyahu has been claiming Iran is weeks away from nukes since at least the '90s. They don't even have to send troops because we'll do it for them.

 

[vols40]

Words are important and I didn’t ask if you wanted Iran to have them. My question was framed “is it unacceptable for Iran to acquire nukes”? Most of the world agrees that it’s not. You mentioned Saudi. They’ve said if Iran gets them then they will get them too

Can we believe the intelligence that states Iran was very close? Good question. I will say that Mossad intelligence has been very accurate in this war. They seem to know where every Iranian leader is. I have a lot of confidence in their intelligence

I have zero interest when it comes to Israeli intelligence/CIA

 

[CobbVol]

It was already open without a fight

And at one time, Russia was not in the Donbas region.

 

[lawgator1]

We and/or Israel has been claiming Iran was "very close" for 40+ years. We said we set them back by "years, I repeat, years" in June 2025

Seems like either that the assessment in 2025 was wrong, or that the assessment now is wrong.

 

[vols40]

And at one time, Russia was not in the Donbas region.

But Russian speaking citizens who are more sympathetic to Russia than Ukraine were

 

[LouderVol]

So if you’re keeping score at home
-Trump made Biden **** up the Afghanistan withdrawal
And
-the Jews made Trump attack Iran.

How did we elect such weak ass ****** leaders

because we are more worried about making sure the other side DOESN'T win than we care about actually electing qualified individuals.

I won't stretch that beyond "qualified". we aren't even to the level of "good candidates", or worrying about what type of human they are, or if we should actually want them in office, or even if we align with a good majority of their stances.

 

[LouderVol]

Lol still can't remember who was president in 2020, can you?
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you realise Trump's terrible plan had us pulling out May 1st 2021. but Biden actually pulled us out 3 months later at the end of August. and considering they had all of 2021 to actually handle the plan, I am struggling to see how the actual pull out is on Trump.

were previous parts and pieces of the Afghan mess up on Trump? Yes. The pullout? Doesn't really make sense. Biden clearly edited it, so it seems like it his issue.

 

[n_huffhines]

People here were saying this was an Iranian missile, smh

Those soccer players are in for a rude awakening next time they play in front of the home crowd. Don't they know America's actions are super popular among Iranians?

 

[ButchPlz]

I have zero interest when it comes to Israeli intelligence/CIA

These idiots will tell you out of one side of their mouth how great our intel is then out of the other how corrupt and deep-state evil they are (53 intel agency letter, Russiagate, etc.). The problem is they are actually stupid enough to think that because big boy orange guy is president suddenly the intel is valuable and true.

Nevermind the very open, very public recent fractures, either. This action against Iran was idiotic from day 1 and has achieved literally nothing but exposing the morons in our country that should lose their right to vote and procreate.

 

[BeardedVol]

you realise Trump's terrible plan had us pulling out May 1st 2021. but Biden actually pulled us out 3 months later at the end of August. and considering they had all of 2021 to actually handle the plan, I am struggling to see how the actual pull out is on Trump.

were previous parts and pieces of the Afghan mess up on Trump? Yes. The pullout? Doesn't really make sense. Biden clearly edited it, so it seems like it his issue.

Back in 2021, being before Trump's second term, we still pretended that the US government had actual continuity between presidents, and Biden was beholden to honor the plan that Trump put in motion.

The troop draw down from 8600 in June of 2020, to 2500 in January of 2021 was 100% Trump's decision, a move even Congressional Republicans were against.

That was a failure on Biden's part. He should have just said Trump's plan is stupid, and I'm not going to do it, and just lived with the blow back from Republicans who would have most assuredly blamed him for "keeping US troops in Afghanistan."

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Female US Journalist 'is Kidnapped by Armed Men in Baghdad' amid fears of Link to Iran-Backed Group​

An American journalist has been kidnapped by an armed group in Baghdad, Iraqi officials have confirmed.

Shelly Kittleson, a freelance reporter covering the Middle East and Afghanistan, was abducted by a group of unidentified men near her hotel in the Iraqi capital on Tuesday.

The Iraqi interior ministry confirmed that a 'foreign journalist was kidnapped by unknown individuals,' adding that security forces are pursuing the perpetrators.

'The pursuit resulted in the interception of a vehicle belonging to the kidnappers, which overturned as they attempted to flee,' the ministry said, confirming that a suspect was arrested.

The journalist was reportedly taken near the Palestine Hotel on Al-Saadoun Street in central Baghdad.

No group has claimed responsibility yet but there are fears Iran could be behind the kidnapping.

Kittleson was not in the vehicle intercepted by Iraqi security forces and her whereabouts are said to be currently unknown.


Shelly Kittleson, a freelance reporter based in the Middle East and Afghanistan , was abducted by a group of unidentified men near her hotel in the Iraqi capital on Tuesday

Police sources said they were still chasing a vehicle in which she was taken by force by four men in civilian clothes.

Female US journalist is kidnapped 'by Iran-backed Hezbollah'

Shelly Kittleson, a freelance reporter based in the Middle East and Afghanistan , was abducted by a group of unidentified men near her hotel in the Iraqi capital on Tuesday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[LouderVol]

Back in 2021, being before Trump's second term, we still pretended that the US government had actual continuity between presidents, and Biden was beholden to honor the plan that Trump put in motion.

The troop draw down from 8600 in June of 2020, to 2500 in January of 2021 was 100% Trump's decision, a move even Congressional Republicans were against.

That was a failure on Biden's part. He should have just said Trump's plan is stupid, and I'm not going to do it, and just lived with the blow back from Republicans who would have most assuredly blamed him for "keeping US troops in Afghanistan."

lol, no we didn't. at least not for EO/military type stuff. I mean Biden made changes to Trump's pullout plan. clearly Biden had no interest in the continuity of following Trump's plan. Not saying Biden was wrong to not follow Trump's plan, just pointing out that continuity doesn't survive even the previous term.

 

[hog88]

Back in 2021, being before Trump's second term, we still pretended that the US government had actual continuity between presidents, and Biden was beholden to honor the plan that Trump put in motion.

The troop draw down from 8600 in June of 2020, to 2500 in January of 2021 was 100% Trump's decision, a move even Congressional Republicans were against.

That was a failure on Biden's part. He should have just said Trump's plan is stupid, and I'm not going to do it, and just lived with the blow back from Republicans who would have most assuredly blamed him for "keeping US troops in Afghanistan."

Biden was under no obligation to follow Trumps deal with the Taliban and he didn't follow the withdrawal plan or timeline. Trumps Doha deal with the Taliban was crap but once Biden changed the timeline and plan he owned the withdrawal fluckup.

Commentary What the Biden administration’s report on the Afghanistan withdrawal gets wrong

 

[BeardedVol]

lol, no we didn't. at least not for EO/military type stuff. I mean Biden made changes to Trump's pullout plan. clearly Biden had no interest in the continuity of following Trump's plan. Not saying Biden was wrong to not follow Trump's plan, just pointing out that continuity doesn't survive even the previous term.

Sure we did, and it was moot anyway, the draw down to 2500 troops was finalized on January 15th 2021,5 days before Biden was sworn in, and against the will of Congress who overrode Trump's veto I might add.

Biden should have had to political fortitude to say this is a stupid idea, but he didn't, and with Trump's draw down to 2500 troops, it was untenable to leave them there since Bagram requires ~5,000 personnel to be maintained and defended.

 

[BeardedVol]

Biden was under no obligation to follow Trumps deal with the Taliban and he didn't follow the withdrawal plan or timeline. Trumps Doha deal with the Taliban was crap but once Biden changed the timeline and plan he owned the withdrawal fluckup.

Commentary What the Biden administration’s report on the Afghanistan withdrawal gets wrong

It's moot, the 5000 had already been released as of September 2020, and US troops had been reduced to 2500 on January 15th 2021 before Biden assumed office. Bagram itself needs 5000 personnel to run, there was no way to leave the 2500 personnel in place, and maintain security or operations.