Greenland

[volbound1700]

This is my spin and it may be way out in left field.
Negotiations start with outrageous demands.
Then the two side trade barbs.
They finally decide to meet - maybe several times.
Press releases are filled with accusations.
More meetings.
An agreement is made.

So my guess.
USA gets mineral and oil rights.
USA develops mines and oil rigs.
USA gets the oil and minerals.
Denmark keeps land and USA pays out the wazoo to remove the resources.
USA agrees to pay for any environmental problems and reclamation.

Denmark was not going to exploit the resources anyway.

I thought this was the plan all along but it seems like the demand for Greenland continues. I think Trump still wants it.

The real issue that no one is talking about is what Greenlanders actual want. From what I understand, they want out of Denmark. Now whether they want to join the USA or not is debatable. Multiple polling over the past decade has shown interest in Greenlanders wanting to break free from Denmark.

So effectively, Denmark is still forcing colonization on them. It was a similar situation with Iceland who did successful break away from Denmark. Heck, if you go back to the Kalmer Union days, even Norway and Sweden had to fight Denmark for independence.

 

[MontyPython]

Such a weeny.

I know how much you detest reality.

 

[hog88]

I know how much you detest reality.

Reality is only real within your mind, it's artificial outside of that.

 

[BeardedVol]

I thought this was the plan all along but it seems like the demand for Greenland continues. I think Trump still wants it.

The real issue that no one is talking about is what Greenlanders actual want. From what I understand, they want out of Denmark. Now whether they want to join the USA or not is debatable. Multiple polling over the past decade has shown interest in Greenlanders wanting to break free from Denmark.

So effectively, Denmark is still forcing colonization on them. It was a similar situation with Iceland who did successful break away from Denmark. Heck, if you go back to the Kalmer Union days, even Norway and Sweden had to fight Denmark for independence.

So I take it you are in favor of the US giving up the Virgin Islands, whom we ironically purchased from Denmark and as part of the sale acknowledged Greenland as Danish territory, and other US territories that are defacto colonies?

 

[volbound1700]

So I take it you are in favor of the US giving up the Virgin Islands, whom we ironically purchased from Denmark and as part of the sale acknowledged Greenland as Danish territory, and other US territories that are defacto colonies?

If there was a growing movement with the Virgin Islands to leave the USA, than probably yes.

Puerto Rico constantly comes up but they have consistently voted to keep a relationship with the USA. In fact, there polling shows more of a desire for statehood than independence.

All the data from Greenlanders show they don't want to maintain the relationship with Copenhagen anymore. Now most want independence based on polling.

 

[LSU-SIU]

This is my spin and it may be way out in left field.
Negotiations start with outrageous demands.
Then the two side trade barbs.
They finally decide to meet - maybe several times.
Press releases are filled with accusations.
More meetings.
An agreement is made.

So my guess.
USA gets mineral and oil rights.
USA develops mines and oil rigs.
USA gets the oil and minerals.
Denmark keeps land and USA pays out the wazoo to remove the resources.
USA agrees to pay for any environmental problems and reclamation.

Denmark was not going to exploit the resources anyway.

If one is talking royalties, that would let the cat out of the bag.

 

[EasternVol]

They owe the United States payment for providing for their defense under NATO.

Where is that documented?

 

[tvolsfan]

This is my spin and it may be way out in left field.
Negotiations start with outrageous demands.
Then the two side trade barbs.
They finally decide to meet - maybe several times.
Press releases are filled with accusations.
More meetings.
An agreement is made.

So my guess.
USA gets mineral and oil rights.
USA develops mines and oil rigs.
USA gets the oil and minerals.
Denmark keeps land and USA pays out the wazoo to remove the resources.
USA agrees to pay for any environmental problems and reclamation.

Denmark was not going to exploit the resources anyway.

I think it's more like:

Trump makes an offer.
He is told the island isn't for sale.
Trump threatens military action.
Europe continues to move troops as a deterrent.
More GOP members in Congress publicly say an invasion isn't going to happen.
The US gets some token concessions so Trump can pretend he won, while our reputation continues to crumble.

 

[utvolpj]

The US gets some token concessions so Trump can pretend he won, while our reputation continues to crumble.

I think that's the biggest part. Like when you have to pretend your kids won the game so they won't flip the board and run out crying

 

[MHS Rebel]

If one is talking royalties, that would let the cat out of the bag.

Denmark would become unimaginably rich like Bahrain without having to lift a finger. USA does all the work.

 

[MHS Rebel]

I think it's more like:

Trump makes an offer.
He is told the island isn't for sale.
Trump threatens military action.
Europe continues to move troops as a deterrent.
More GOP members in Congress publicly say an invasion isn't going to happen.
The US gets some token concessions so Trump can pretend he won, while our reputation continues to crumble.

Nah. I stand by my opinion. Denmark would become unimaginably rich like Bahrain without having to lift a finger. USA does all the work.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Denmark would become unimaginably rich like Bahrain without having to lift a finger. USA does all the work.

I don't know what you mean by the U.S., the work is either contracted out if state controlled, or agreements are made on the royalties. The U.S. isn't doing any work.

 

[hog88]

I think that's the biggest part. Like when you have to pretend your kids won the game so they won't flip the board and run out crying

WTF does that?

 

[GroverCleveland]

WTF does that?

I am not sure either, but 100% certain it is intended to denigrate Trump.

 

[BeardedVol]

If there was a growing movement with the Virgin Islands to leave the USA, than probably yes.

Puerto Rico constantly comes up but they have consistently voted to keep a relationship with the USA. In fact, there polling shows more of a desire for statehood than independence.

All the data from Greenlanders show they don't want to maintain the relationship with Copenhagen anymore. Now most want independence based on polling.

So it's not really about "anti-colonialism" for you, but rather that you can point to an independence movement, that makes it easier to hold your opinion on US acquisition of foreign territory.

Otherwise, you'd acknowledge that fact that the Greenland PM, has stated that in spite of seeking independence from Denmark, they have no desire to be part of the United States, and that if independence from Denmark would mean having to become part of the US, that they'd just stay part of Denmark.

 

[hog88]

So it's not really about "anti-colonialism" for you, but rather that you can point to an independence movement, that makes it easier to hold your opinion on US acquisition of foreign territory.

Otherwise, you'd acknowledge that fact that the Greenland PM, has stated that in spite of seeking independence from Denmark, they have no desire to be part of the United States, and that if independence from Denmark would mean having to become part of the US, that they'd just stay part of Denmark.

What if they held a referendum and voted to become a US territory? Would that be kosher with you?

 

[GroverCleveland]

So it's not really about "anti-colonialism" for you, but rather that you can point to an independence movement, that makes it easier to hold your opinion on US acquisition of foreign territory.

Otherwise, you'd acknowledge that fact that the Greenland PM, has stated that in spite of seeking independence from Denmark, they have no desire to be part of the United States, and that if independence from Denmark would mean having to become part of the US, that they'd just stay part of Denmark.

Seems like an odd take. I kind of took @volbound1700 as saying if a colony is overall happy with its status as a colony, so be it. If not go for independence. Doesn't Britain still have a few colonies scattered around or have those legal statuses been modified somewhat?

 

[utvolpj]

WTF does that?

Anyone who's had little kids

 

[hog88]

Anyone who's had little kids

I can assure you that it's not everyone.

 

[BeardedVol]

Seems like an odd take. I kind of took @volbound1700 as saying if a colony is overall happy with its status as a colony, so be it. If not go for independence. Doesn't Britain still have a few colonies scattered around or have those legal statuses been modified somewhat?

His words:

So effectively, Denmark is still forcing colonization on them.

The reason that Greenland hasn't had another referendum on independence, is because when polled, a majority of residents don't support independence if it means a lower quality of life.

Virtually no Greenlanders want to join the US, new poll finds | Euractiv

Only 6% are in favour of becoming part of the US.

www.euractiv.com

That's from a year ago when trump started this nonsense, and they've since come out and said that if Independence from Denmark means having to join the US, then they'll just stay part of Denmark.

 

[LibertyVol]

Where is that documented?

underpayment for defense spending.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Seems like an odd take. I kind of took @volbound1700 as saying if a colony is overall happy with its status as a colony, so be it. If not go for independence. Doesn't Britain still have a few colonies scattered around or have those legal statuses been modified somewhat?

Yes. In many cases they are independent, but they still recognize the King and even use the legal system with appeals taking place all they back across the pond.

 

[EasternVol]

underpayment for defense spending.

Got a link or remember the website?

 

[BeardedVol]

underpayment for defense spending.

Individual defense spending by countries is not how NATO is funded

Funding NATO

When the North Atlantic Council – NATO's top political decision-making body – unanimously decides to engage in an operation or mission, there is no obligation for each and every member to contribute unless it is an Article 5 collective defence operation, in which case expectations are different...

www.nato.int

 

[EasternVol]

This is my spin and it may be way out in left field.
Negotiations start with outrageous demands.
Then the two side trade barbs.
They finally decide to meet - maybe several times.
Press releases are filled with accusations.
More meetings.
An agreement is made.

So my guess.
USA gets mineral and oil rights.
USA develops mines and oil rigs.
USA gets the oil and minerals.
Denmark keeps land and USA pays out the wazoo to remove the resources.
USA agrees to pay for any environmental problems and reclamation.

Denmark was not going to exploit the resources anyway.

Why would Denmark cede any oil or mineral rights though? They'd be better off doing things themselves. We're far from the only country with companies able to mine minerals and drill for oil.