Current O-Line=bad fit?

#78
#78
MDBJJC said:
Devrin is not even 5'7...don't believe what you read about his physical stats. He's a midget and he weighs a buck nothing. Not saying he's not athletic, but he's an elf. We are about to hit a stretch of real football, smash mouth football. Running between the tackles is how you win in the SEC....it's a concern.
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It's not just a concern, it's downright frightening that we are facing SEC play and our running game looks no better than last year.
 
#80
#80
Vol8188 said:
Idk if you are aware or not, but Alabama is also a zone running team. So our running game is very similar.
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I'm aware of the scheme, have you sat down and compared the playcalling and how it works? Bama obviously knows what they're doing and has it down.

I'm not comparing our offenses because our passgame is obviously a huge strong point. I'm just talking about run game philosophy.
 
#81
#81
zjcvols said:
Was thinking about why our run game has struggled. And I think maybe a reason could be the players and the scheme.

Chaney runs a zone blocking scheme for the running game. I watched a video from Alex Gibbs (some consider him the "father of the zone run game", he was the Denver Broncos O-Line coach during the Broncos' two super bowl seasons) and says you must have a agile, quick offensive line. You block areas in a zone, and you must be able to be quick off the snap and find your man. You have to be able to beat your man to the spot/area in which you are blocking.

Well, look at our starting O-line weight:

Richardson: 332 lbs
Fulton: 324 lbs
James: 323 lbs
Thomas: 310 lbs
Stone: 300 lbs

Those are big boys. I noticed some today that the lineman don't have extremely quick feet laterally. They do move back well in pass protection and do well in that area.

I wonder if maybe our current O-Line and the scheme doesn't fit. It just surprises me we have such a good pass blocking team, but our run blocking team is so mediocre.

What do you think VN?
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Funny you bring this up because I was just saying this on another site. I do think it's relevant. We have power I o-lineman but we're running a spread with zone blocking. Many spread coaches prefer to recruit lineman in the 270-280 range and bulking them up. We have MONSTERS who were all highly touted. All I know is that it's frustrating. Am I the only one who thinks we actually run better from the I?
 
#82
#82
BAVol said:
Didn't see the game today but I think the problem starts with the coaching of Chaney. A lot of you guys are too young to remember but this has been his M.O. all the way back to purdue in the 90's with drew brees. Great passing offense but not any power running game and not much better than 7-4 in the big 10. Like it or not this is what we are going to get with him calling the offensive shots. I say get rid of him once bray and co are gone and bring in an oc who will pound the rock like lsu and bama.
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i do like there running game,hopefully he can find a balance,with his play calling
 
#83
#83
MDBJJC said:
Sorry D. Young is NOT an SEC RB. Eddie Lacy...that's an SEC RB. The fact that D. Young is even considered in the rotation speaks volumes about our talent level. It's probably the weakest position we have on the field, except for kicker.

Can anyone compare these guys to a Montario Hardesty? Absolutely not. Montario had a horrible O Line, HORRIBLE. You are telling me the Sullin boys could lift the jocks of our O Line now? NO, NO, NO. Montario eeked out 1300 yards though, because he is freaking talented.
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And bama's freshman may be better than lacy.
 
#85
#85
SandoVOL said:
I'm aware of the scheme, have you sat down and compared the playcalling and how it works? Bama obviously knows what they're doing and has it down.

I'm not comparing our offenses because our passgame is obviously a huge strong point. I'm just talking about run game philosophy.
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Bama also has all-Americans and all-SEC players all over their offensive line.
 
#86
#86
SandoVOL said:
yes I'm away of the scheme, have you sat down and compared the playcalling and how it works? Bama obviously knows what they're doing and has it down.

I'm not comparing our offenses because our passgame is obviously a huge strong point. I'm just talking about run game philosophy.
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Run game philosphy is the same. We are both zone teams.

Now execution is obviously better by Bama because they probably have he best oline in the country.

The play calling is different because our oline is not the same as Bama's oline, and because our passing game is better. So obviously we aren't going to pound it like Bama does.
 
#87
#87
No this is all the running backs and play calling they are turning in and running forward, they are dancing we don't need a homerun everytime we need RB's that will hit the hole with determination.
 
#88
#88
RichRollin said:
Funny you bring this up because I was just saying this on another site. I do think it's relevant. We have power I o-lineman but we're running a spread with zone blocking. Many spread coaches prefer to recruit lineman in the 270-280 range and bulking them up. We have MONSTERS who were all highly touted. All I know is that it's frustrating. Am I the only one who thinks we actually run better from the I?
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I am thinking the coaches will probably note this after today. How well we run from the I that is.
 
#89
#89
zjcvols said:
Was thinking about why our run game has struggled. And I think maybe a reason could be the players and the scheme.

Chaney runs a zone blocking scheme for the running game. I watched a video from Alex Gibbs (some consider him the "father of the zone run game", he was the Denver Broncos O-Line coach during the Broncos' two super bowl seasons) and says you must have a agile, quick offensive line. You block areas in a zone, and you must be able to be quick off the snap and find your man. You have to be able to beat your man to the spot/area in which you are blocking.

Well, look at our starting O-line weight:

Richardson: 332 lbs
Fulton: 324 lbs
James: 323 lbs
Thomas: 310 lbs
Stone: 300 lbs

Those are big boys. I noticed some today that the lineman don't have extremely quick feet laterally. They do move back well in pass protection and do well in that area.

I wonder if maybe our current O-Line and the scheme doesn't fit. It just surprises me we have such a good pass blocking team, but our run blocking team is so mediocre.

What do you think VN?
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I think if it were mostly scheme, we would have changed it by now.
 
#90
#90
Vol8188 said:
When did height become important at RB? How is that relevant?

Shorter guys typically change direction quicker. That's why most corners and rb's aren't very tall.
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He's lighter than a feather...the combination of the two makes him too small for RB. Look at the most successful RBs in the SEC...big, fast, strong. Elite talent is not small, fast, lighter at RB. Dexter McCluster was a great small back...there are exceptions.

Devrin is good as an every once and a while scat back. He's on our team so I hope he does well, but he ain't no Latimore, he ain't no Lacy, etc...we don't have elite talent at RB. Hunter and Patterson are elite talent...big, fast, strong.
 
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theutvolunteers said:
Why do we want to run Alabama's offense? Do they have Bray, CP, and Hunter?
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People want to win and most of our fans long for the way we used to maul teams whether they liked it or not.

We've been fed "the only way to win" mantras so long that it's taken as gospel. No room for anything unique or different.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Run game philosphy is the same. We are both zone teams.

Now execution is obviously better by Bama because they probably have he best oline in the country.

The play calling is different because our oline is not the same as Bama's oline, and because our passing game is better. So obviously we aren't going to pound it like Bama does.
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Bama is a run first team. We are not. That is not the same philosophy. That was point. :hi:
 
#94
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RichRollin said:
Funny you bring this up because I was just saying this on another site. I do think it's relevant. We have power I o-lineman but we're running a spread with zone blocking. Many spread coaches prefer to recruit lineman in the 270-280 range and bulking them up. We have MONSTERS who were all highly touted. All I know is that it's frustrating. Am I the only one who thinks we actually run better from the I?
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Yes. The last thing I want us to do is move to the I formation and let teams load the box on us.

To run the main I formation play (Power), you have to pull a lineman. So if our line is too slow to zone, what makes you think they quick enough to pull?
 
#96
#96
theutvolunteers said:
Why do we want to run Alabama's offense? Do they have Bray, CP, and Hunter?
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Personally don't care whether it's bamas offense or not but the last six national champions could all blow teams off the line with the running game. I like to see opposing teams punished in the 3rd and 4th qtr and we simply aren't able to do that.
 
#97
#97
SandoVOL said:
Bama is a run first team. We are not. That is not the same philosophy. That was point. :hi:
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Do what you do best.

That's the best offensive philosophy you will ever hear. So if what we do best is throwing the football, then why should we keep pounding our heads into a brick wall trying to run the ball?

All we have to do is run the ball well enough to keep people honest, so far we have done that.
 
#98
#98
Everyone here is such complainers. Last year vs Montana we had 128 yards rushing with 2.8 avg and vs Cinci had 126 with 3.6. This year so far we have had 191 for 5.0 avg vs NCST and 184 for 4.3 avg vs GSU.

We don't have to have some big bruising running and avg 175 yards a game vs SEC teams. That is not our strength. You should be completely fine with some gimmicky run game like we have and get 2 or 3 long runs per game. Our passing attack is potent enough and you CAN win in the SEC by being pass heavy, I don't care what anyone says. Look at Arkansas last year. Tell me you wouldn't be happy with 11-2 and losing only to Bama and LSU
 
#99
#99
BAVol said:
Personally don't care whether it's bamas offense or not but the last six national champions could all blow teams off the line with the running game. I like to see opposing teams punished in the 3rd and 4th qtr and we simply aren't able to do that.
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None of those champions have anything to do with this year's.
 
#100
#100
Spartacavolus said:
Looks no better than last year?

Some of you guys are incapable of objectivity.
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Whatever bro, we are sitting right where we were before the UF game last year.
Against a real D-line our O-line is going to struggle.
We can only live on the big play so long...
 
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