Current O-Line=bad fit?

#127
#127
Spartacavolus said:
There is no whatever to it. You said the run game looks no better than last year. That's not close to correct. We are knocking more guys off the ball and there are holes. It's just not our strength and we are short on rb talent as far as instinct and agility.
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Sorry man, I've not seen us knock anyone off the ball.
If our running game is improved it's marginal at best.
I agree we are a pass first team, I'm just saying, that's gonna bite us in the arse sooner or later.
 
#128
#128
Vol8188 said:
Yes. The last thing I want us to do is move to the I formation and let teams load the box on us.

To run the main I formation play (Power), you have to pull a lineman. So if our line is too slow to zone, what makes you think they quick enough to pull?
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The use of a full back has as much to do with it as anything. But you conviniently left that out I see.
 
#129
#129
thadolphinman said:
In the two and a half quarters are first string played, we rushed for 142 yards on 29 carries. That was with Bray throwing for over 300 yards and 4 touchdowns. We couldn't put up stats like that versus Montana or Cincinnati in 4 quarters. We looked good today, and for the first time since Dooley has got here, our backs are actually pushing forward and breaking tackles. I know that Florida is not given, but I think we will be able to run on them. Texas A&M ran pretty well against them today, and I don't see any reason why we can't put up a decent running game.
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Great post. Feel free to post more often.
 
#130
#130
Vol8188 said:
Is zone blocking you have 2 men blocking 1 man. What makes you guys think we would do so much better with 1 man blocking 1 man?
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Because they can get to the LB'S which is second line of run blocking and like OP said, you need smaller OL to be quick enough to beat DL to spot. Also requires more thinking by OL on who to block, man on man you just out pysical guy or guys (LB'S) in front of you.
 
#131
#131
RichRollin said:
The use of a full back has as much to do with it as anything. But you conviniently left that out I see.
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No one, I repeat, no one uses a fullback these days.

Florida, Auburn, Alabama how often have you seen any of the last 3 SEC champions line up with a FB?

O wait, they don't!
 
#132
#132
thadolphinman said:
In the two and a half quarters are first string played, we rushed for 142 yards on 29 carries. That was with Bray throwing for over 300 yards and 4 touchdowns. We couldn't put up stats like that versus Montana or Cincinnati in 4 quarters. We looked good today, and for the first time since Dooley has got here, our backs are actually pushing forward and breaking tackles. I know that Florida is not given, but I think we will be able to run on them. Texas A&M ran pretty well against them today, and I don't see any reason why we can't put up a decent running game.
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Orange Blazer said:
Great post. Feel free to post more often.
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post more often for sure Thad :hi:
 
#133
#133
zjcvols said:
Was thinking about why our run game has struggled. And I think maybe a reason could be the players and the scheme.

Chaney runs a zone blocking scheme for the running game. I watched a video from Alex Gibbs (some consider him the "father of the zone run game", he was the Denver Broncos O-Line coach during the Broncos' two super bowl seasons) and says you must have a agile, quick offensive line. You block areas in a zone, and you must be able to be quick off the snap and find your man. You have to be able to beat your man to the spot/area in which you are blocking.

Well, look at our starting O-line weight:

Richardson: 332 lbs
Fulton: 324 lbs
James: 323 lbs
Thomas: 310 lbs
Stone: 300 lbs





Those are big boys. I noticed some today that the lineman don't have extremely quick feet laterally. They do move back well in pass protection and do well in that area.

I wonder if maybe our current O-Line and the scheme doesn't fit. It just surprises me we have such a good pass blocking team, but our run blocking team is so mediocre.

What do you think VN?
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I think that we installed a zone scheme due to having superior passing personnel and mediocre backs. A man scheme might make our run game slightly more successful but not dominant enough to justify the negative tradeoff in pass blocking.

We just don't have the backs to do it and our OL is fantastic in zone pass blocking. I like the approach and don't buy into the idea that you need a dominant run game to win in the SEC. We will be fine as Lane progresses and we recruit better RB talent. We can run a Colts type offense and win as long as we run enough to keep defenses honest and play solid defense with good depth.

I also think Watson is going to be a huge asset in the run game and would make a perfect complimentary back to a Derrick Henry-type. Watson is surprisingly aggressive and the boy can fly. Excited to see him progress and hope he is utilized soon
 
#134
#134
zjcvols said:
Was thinking about why our run game has struggled. And I think maybe a reason could be the players and the scheme.

Chaney runs a zone blocking scheme for the running game. I watched a video from Alex Gibbs (some consider him the "father of the zone run game", he was the Denver Broncos O-Line coach during the Broncos' two super bowl seasons) and says you must have a agile, quick offensive line. You block areas in a zone, and you must be able to be quick off the snap and find your man. You have to be able to beat your man to the spot/area in which you are blocking.

Well, look at our starting O-line weight:

Richardson: 332 lbs
Fulton: 324 lbs
James: 323 lbs
Thomas: 310 lbs
Stone: 300 lbs

Those are big boys. I noticed some today that the lineman don't have extremely quick feet laterally. They do move back well in pass protection and do well in that area.

I wonder if maybe our current O-Line and the scheme doesn't fit. It just surprises me we have such a good pass blocking team, but our run blocking team is so mediocre.

What do you think VN?
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Speed maybe, but size is definitely not the issue---just take a look at our SEC peers---Alabama's O-Line, for example, is comparable.
Note: Zone blocking is slower to develop than Man.
We need better feet movement, more explosive and quickness (off the ball), staying with the blocks AND drive the opponent.
Simply, the idea...
Zone Blocking = creating lanes, the RB has options i.e., runs one direction sees an opening and cuts back.
Man Blocking = creating a hole, no decision or options the RB puts his head dn and explodes into the hole.
 
#136
#136
volnpowell said:
Because they can get to the LB'S which is second line of run blocking and like OP said, you need smaller OL to be quick enough to beat DL to spot. Also requires more thinking by OL on who to block, man on man you just out pysical guy or guys (LB'S) in front of you.
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Anyone with any knowledge of zone blocking knows how little thought it truly requires. You simply have a gap. However comes to that gap, you block.

What could be easier than that?

Here's how easy zone blocking is: There's only two rules!

Rule 1: Block the first dlineman to your play side.
Rule 2: If you end up on a double team and LB comes to your side, block him. If not stay on the dlineman.

What could be easier than that?
And if you want to talk about physicality, what is more physical than a double team at the point of attack?
 
#137
#137
Spartacavolus said:
By the way, I don't think Bray has been knocked down yet.

Let's give the line some credit. They are also blocking better and more aggressively. Power running game just isn't UT's game right now. Waiting for it to develop with this set of backs is a waste of energy.
Spread it and sling it.
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Exactly.
 
#139
#139
SandoVOL said:
I disagree, he's a playmaker, look at his returns, is the fact that we ran CP in wildcat speaking badly about our RBs. I don't think so.
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So you're saying he's a good RB b/c occasionally he has a good kick/punt return?
 
#140
#140
Wow!! All of us, so called coaches, were saying that if we got rid of Offensive line coach, Harry H. then we would have our Offensive line issues solved.
Well, he is gone and the issues still exist. Maybe Harry H. was not the issue. Maybe it is Chaney. Maybe it is our lack of elite talent at tailback.
I remember when we all complained about A. Foster, when he was at U.T. How many of you wished he was on the current team??? Raise your hands.
 
#141
#141
We are average at best at the RB spot. The OL is run blocking better but to this point they have not been tested either.

You want to believe the experience of the OL and the threat of the pass would allow us to run it better in the SEC. This week will be a stern test for that. We dont have to win running the ball but if they stonewall us with the front 7 its gonna be more difficult to get deep.
 
#142
#142
what do i think?

Our line is awesome. They will continue to protect the QB.

We don't have a big threat everydown rb.

We don't have a bruising RB.

We don't need an LSU running game.

Keep protecting Bray and keep up the "touch down or check down" and we should win 10 of the first 12 at least
 
#143
#143
News flash....

A great pass blocking line and a great run blocking line goes hand in hand. Let me talk slow so some if you water boys understand....our current Rb's would not start for maryville high school. I challenge you to watch bama, lsu or VA tech backs run the rock. There is none of this hesitation dancing sideline ****.
 
#144
#144
UTVOLKeith said:
what do i think?

Our line is awesome. They will continue to protect the QB.

We don't have a big threat everydown rb.

We don't have a bruising RB.

We don't need an LSU running game.

Keep protecting Bray and keep up the "touch down or check down" and we should win 10 of the first 12 at least
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Might as well throw a Bama run game in there as well, right??
 
#146
#146
UTVOLKeith said:
ur correct sir

but i try not to use the letters b a or m
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#147
#147
TENNFATZ said:
News flash....

A great pass blocking line and a great run blocking line goes hand in hand. Let me talk slow so some if you water boys understand....our current Rb's would not start for maryville high school. I challenge you to watch bama, lsu or VA tech backs run the rock. There is none of this hesitation dancing sideline ****.
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uuuh does that make you a water girl ? :) sorry just had to say that,a slow one lol i think it is a combination of things
 
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