Current O-Line=bad fit?

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Vol8188 said:
So a running play up the middle wears down defensive linemen more than pass rushing? Really?

What's harder for big McCullers, too hold the center at the line of scrimmage and make a tackle somewhere between the LOS and 4 yards down field or....

To chase a QB around the field 40-50 times a game?

You can't seriously believe that running the ball wears a team down more than passing.
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Being a defensive linemen myself, running the ball effectively wears a defense out 10x faster than passing the ball.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Best shot you have at doing anything with either of those Ds is balance.
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Best shot is to score more points, however you can get them. Gameplanning to wear out their interior by repeatedly running it at them is a terrible idea. No team has the depth, talent and skill to do it to either one of them.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Best shot is to score more points, however you can get them. Gameplanning to wear out their interior by repeatedly running it at them is a terrible idea. No team has the depth, talent and skill to do it to either one of them.
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Sure it is. But we are talking about the method required to do that.

Easier to do that when you have balance. You dont have to wear them out to do that. I didnt mention that anyway.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Not so sure its best to try to beat bama and lsu at their own game. We aren't a power running team. No matter how much you want us to look like bama, we don't, and won't for a long time, if ever.
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Exactly. Play to our strengths. We can't be anybody but us and that's all we can be.
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Spartacavolus said:
Best shot is to score more points, however you can get them. Gameplanning to wear out their interior by repeatedly running it at them is a terrible idea. No team has the depth, talent and skill to do it to either one of them.
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Yup, and the best teams do that with solid running and defense. We can go round and round about this all night, fact is, you win the SEC with running and defense, period.
 
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zjcvols said:
What do you think VN?
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I think there are only so many plays in a game. I think UT avg'd 17 yds per catch and 4.3 yds per rush running as about as vanilla as they possibly could. I think the top two backs avg'd over 5 ypc, that Lane got punished for not taking care of the ball, and that Watson got some nice PT in junk time.

I think for the second consecutive week UT posted over 500 yards of total offense.

In short, I think your post is much ado about nothing.

I am far more concerned about why the D made their O look credible for much of the 1st half.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Yup, and the best teams do that with solid running and defense. We can go round and round about this all night, fact is, you win the SEC with running and defense, period.
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I'm not going round and round with anything. We aren't bama. We aren't a power running team. Our, or any other team's, opportunity to beat bama this year outside of lsu isn't going to come from wearing out their front 7 with a power running game.

Your thought process in regards to the subject is a terrible plan.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I'm not going round and round with anything. We aren't bama. We aren't a power running team. Our, or any other team's, opportunity to beat bama this year outside of lsu isn't going to come from wearing out their front 7 with a power running game.

Your thought process in regards to the subject is a terrible plan.
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You don't have to be a power running team to run it well. You just have to be successful running the ball, power or not. That's the only way we beat someone like Bama, is to consistently run the ball well, or they will sit back in zone and dare us to go after them, just like they did last year.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
You don't have to be a power running team to run it well. You just have to be successful running the ball, power or not. That's the only way we beat someone like Bama, is to consistently run the ball well, or they will sit back in zone and dare us to go after them, just like they did last year.
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You think maybe the end arounds, and options out of the wild cat are designed to loosen up the d-line? To the extent that the d-line pressures Bray and there is no running game you have a point, but its a bit premature to surrender the point.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
You don't have to be a power running team to run it well. You just have to be successful running the ball, power or not. That's the only way we beat someone like Bama, is to consistently run the ball well, or they will sit back in zone and dare us to go after them, just like they did last year.
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You mean when Simms was trying to get it out to ZR?
Nobody consistenly runs the ball on Bama. Don't know if you have been watching the last few years, but you can't run at them and you can't run wide. Our best bet is to spread them out, use our strengths, try to get mismatches, and spring a few runs.

Still hanging onto last year man. It's gone. Leave it there.
 
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TN Looks better than FL under Spurier...Ya we arent like LSU or Bama but damn we are an exciting team to watch!

We have special talent on this team like I cant remember in the last 10-15yrs.Ya I said that. If we stay healthy we have a special year ahead of us. Depth is the big concern for me.

In regards to the run game, I agree our RBs dance way too much... I dont think they are afraid to hit the hole its more that they think they are studs and can break the big play.

Do we have any big bruiser FB? A less talented FB with our Oline may be the reicpe.

Seriously, maybe we dont fit the proven LSU/Bama mold but that ant the only style ball to win games. GBO!
 
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Spartacavolus said:
You mean when Simms was trying to get it out to ZR?
Nobody consistenly runs the ball on Bama. Don't know if you have been watching the last few years, but you can't run at them and you can't run wide. Our best bet is to spread them out, use our strengths, try to get mismatches, and spring a few runs.

Still hanging onto last year man. It's gone. Leave it there.
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LSU beat Bama last year, and ran for more yards than they did. Bama returned the favor in the BCSCG though. No one will beat those teams, because that's what they are built to do, we aren't, so we don't have a shot to beat those teams right now.
 
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Sure, if you have a stud D that clamps down on anybody and a snow plowing O-line that allows you to run dives all night, that's great. Preferable even, simplicity coupled with excellent execution is usually best.

But there's more than one way to skin the proverbial cat now.

The Packers have rings proving that.

If Tennessee is going to beat people, for better or worse it will be by slinging it around.
 
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WallyBalls said:
Sure, if you have a stud D that clamps down on anybody and a snow plowing O-line that allows you to run dives all night, that's great. Preferable even, simplicity coupled with excellent execution is usually best.

But there's more than one way to skin the proverbial cat now.

The Packers have rings proving that.
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1. This is the SEC, not the pros.

2. I'm still waiting for someone to show where a team that doesn't run the ball well, yet throws it well, wins the SEC. I'll be waiting for a while on that, and even if one example is given, the exception doesn't make the rule.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
1. This is the SEC, not the pros.

2. I'm still waiting for someone to show where a team that doesn't run the ball well, yet throws it well, wins the SEC. I'll be waiting for a while on that, and even if one example is given, the exception doesn't make the rule.
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But the exception still gets the championship.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
1. This is the SEC, not the pros.

2. I'm still waiting for someone to show where a team that doesn't run the ball well, yet throws it well, wins the SEC. I'll be waiting for a while on that, and even if one example is given, the exception doesn't make the rule.
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a bit negative dont ya think? We have a special team if they stay healthy. Maybe they dont fit the current mold of a championship team but I sure the hell think they can hang with most teams...
 
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I mean hasn't DD spoken about his analysis of winning teams. Seems like he breaks it down this way:

1. Big Plays
2. Winning the turn over battle.

Might be another component or two but he has done the homework in designing this team.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
1. This is the SEC, not the pros.

2. I'm still waiting for someone to show where a team that doesn't run the ball well, yet throws it well, wins the SEC. I'll be waiting for a while on that, and even if one example is given, the exception doesn't make the rule.
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I don't exactly remember Spurrier's 90s teams exactly running people over.

Nor were their Tebow teams the typical I-formation road graters you seem to be looking for.

Don't get me wrong, they ran well when they needed to...but it wasn't the unstoppable force Bama looks to be a lot of times in the last 3 years.

Also, FWIW, by using the Packers I'm not saying this is a championship team. I'm just saying they can win a good number of games doing what they're doing.
 
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sjt18 said:
18 of 20, 310, 15.5 ypa, 4 TD's? I'll take that every day vs 3 yds and a cloud of dust.
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No argument from me. Just pointing out I see why he likes the road grating style.

I don't give a damn which you use. Cloud of Dust or Air Show, just run what you can win with.
 
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It seems to run in cycles. Wide open stuff works until DC's design their D's to stop it then the pounding style works for awhile.

A well executed O usually works regardless.
 
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We still need a power RB, I want a Henry, Lewis, Garner, Graham Foster....we have had really above average run of great NFL quality power RB's the kind that can move forward with a few passengers hanging on.....we have som quick feat, but we got no bruiser to ram forward with that O-line.
 
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