Confederate monuments

[OHvol40]

In what way has the prospect of generational advancement been rendered moot?

Who is talking about generational advancement?

 

[85SugarVol]

Who is talking about generational advancement?

I am. That’s the basic promise of the American Dream - generational upward mobility.

The promise that you can leave your children in a better position than you inherited.
There is no guarantee. There never was.

 

[OHvol40]

I am. That’s the basic promise of the American Dream - generational upward mobility.

The promise that you can leave your children in a better position than you inherited.
There is no guarantee. There never was.

That’s a fairly narrow definition and not what how I would personally choose to define it… but maybe a more comprehensive context is required to dispute the quote.

 

[85SugarVol]

That’s a fairly narrow definition and not what how I would personally choose to define it… but maybe a more comprehensive context is required to dispute the quote.

There are contemporary visions of it that are much more exhaustive and inclusive of all manner of things:

Right to Housing
Guarantee of Income
Access to Healthcare
Happiness and Fulfillment
Justice and Equity
Meaning and Purpose

But the basic premise was always that through hard work and determination, everyone had the opportunity to improve their condition and that of their family.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

[GroverCleveland]

The older I get, the more I realize he was telling the truth with comedic delivery.

Meh. I like Carlin as well, but he was no different than anyone else in being right about some things and wrong about others.

 

[dalton_vol]

That’s a fairly narrow definition and not what how I would personally choose to define it… but maybe a more comprehensive context is required to dispute the quote.

If he was alive today, he'd be pushing that weekly covid shot.

 

[OHvol40]

There are contemporary visions of it that are much more exhaustive and inclusive of all manner of things:

Right to Housing
Guarantee of Income
Access to Healthcare
Happiness and Fulfillment
Justice and Equity
Meaning and Purpose

But the basic premise was always that through hard work and determination, everyone had the opportunity to improve their condition and that of their family.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

Meh, I think people get to define it for themselves. That’s liberty.

 

[OHvol40]

Meh. I like Carlin as well, but he was no different than anyone else in being right about some things and wrong about others.

Well of course he was not super-human. My point is he was a truth-teller that happened to have a gift of delivering his truth in an often hilarious and clever way.

 

[OHvol40]

If he was alive today, he'd be pushing that weekly covid shot.

I don’t think it’s your place to assume what a dead man might or might not do, but if you must, have at it.

 

[85SugarVol]

Meh, I think people get to define it for themselves. That’s liberty.

Sure, people can certainly redefine it. Plenty of ideals throughout history have evolved, reformed, shifted over time.

How would you define it now?

 

[GordonC]

There are contemporary visions of it that are much more exhaustive and inclusive of all manner of things:

Right to Housing
Guarantee of Income
Access to Healthcare
Happiness and Fulfillment
Justice and Equity
Meaning and Purpose

But the basic premise was always that through hard work and determination, everyone had the opportunity to improve their condition and that of their family.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

Yep. Rooted in Crevecoeur, Franklin, and Ragged Dick.

 

[volfanhill]

I don’t think it’s your place to assume what a dead man might or might not do, but if you must, have at it.

I actually suspect he would rage about “mandatory”

 

[85SugarVol]

I actually suspect he would rage about “mandatory”

Yea, no way George Carlin would be in favor of forced medical procedures.

 

[OHvol40]

I actually suspect he would rage about “mandatory”

I think we all love to imagine him raging about what we want to rage about ourselves.

 

[OHvol40]

Sure, people can certainly redefine it. Plenty of ideals throughout history have evolved, reformed, shifted over time.

How would you define it now?

It’s difficult for me to define specifically how I envision it in terms of achievement. I can tell you that monetary value would only comprise a small portion of what would be my American dream. I think Teddy Roosevelt was probably one of my favorite “American Dream” champions. When I go out and enjoy national parks or public land hunting, I think of his fight and drive often. It’s empowering to truly embrace the mindset that all of that is your own while still being able to share it with others. An important piece of the puzzle that has been lost, in my mind, is the sense of community. Uplifting strangers, a sense of duty, planting the seeds of trees who’s shade you’ll never sit under… that sort of thing has gone by the wayside.

 

[85SugarVol]

It’s difficult for me to define specifically how I envision it in terms of achievement. I can tell you that monetary value would only comprise a small portion of what would be my American dream. I think Teddy Roosevelt was probably one of my favorite “American Dream” champions. When I go out and enjoy national parks or public land hunting, I think of his fight and drive often. It’s empowering to truly embrace the mindset that all of that is your own while still being able to share it with others. An important piece of the puzzle that has been lost, in my mind, is the sense of community. Uplifting strangers, a sense of duty, planting the seeds of trees who’s shade you’ll never sit under… that sort of thing has gone by the wayside.

Yea, monetary value is only part of it - it’s not “a number” to be attained.

More the idea of leaving your children in a better position.

 

[OHvol40]

Yea, monetary value is only part of it - it’s not “a number” to be attained.

More the idea of leaving your children in a better position.

I agree, that’s part of it, but that’s a duty you’re charged with as a parent no matter where you happen to reside. I guess my American dream is less individualistic. I want to leave my home, my community, and my country better than what I found it.