Chuck Webb Info???

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Jasongivm6 said:
There's a difference between 1960's pitchers and todady's pitchers, and Hank Lauricella and today's RB with the 7 and 8 year difference between Webb and Lewis. Come on, now, 7 and 8 years. They're comparable.
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No, you assume they are. Without looking at the development of the overall college game, it's impossible to look at an arbitrary time frame and say "Yup, those are comparable." There are times when there are enormous shifts from one year to the next (anything from there being an average of 3-5 fewer points scored per game to there being 100 more touchdown passes in one season to there being a huge decline in the overall run game).

Jasongivm6 said:
It's like saying you can't compare Casey Clausen to Erik Ainge. Too many years and philosophies between the 2.
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You could as long as you can account for certain differences in the overall college landscape. But to just have it as "one succeeded the other" doesn't really go in depth for anything.

If I ever got the urge, I'd love to tackle this project. Right now it's not even close to being something I'd want to do, but I'll make a note of it and maybe we'll revisit it in the spring.
 
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You're right, how dare we discuss a topic on a message board without doing all the statistical work needed to fully back our claim.
 
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I met Ernest Fields a few years ago. He is now a metro Police officer in Nashville and works with the TSSAA as a referee. Heck of a guy. He is what character is all about.
 
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utvolpj said:
You're right, how dare we discuss a topic on a message board without doing all the statistical work needed to fully back our claim.
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That's hardly my point. What I'm trying to make clear is that to compare Jamal Lewis and Chuck Webb to each other by using raw numbers is nuts.

I'm sure there would be a good sound way of comparing the two of them to each other besides recollection and fuzzy memories. It hasn't been brought up here yet, and without someone willing to put the time into researching it then what we're left with is throwing raw numbers out in a futile attempt to "prove" one was better.
 
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all of this comparing stats between webb and lewis. I could care less! webb takes a back seat to NOBODY!!!!! And jamal was freaking awesome as a freshman, I get it, and he was trucking people in 98 until he popped his knee, but for those of us who lived thru webb, nobody is comparable, he had the combination of everything and I mean everything you want in a tailback.
 
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I've seen em all since Curt Watson. Chuck Webb was the best we've had....period. He could do whatever, whenever and no one could stop him from it. He had a style all his own.
 
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I am no one on this board, but I'm so sick of this thread I could SCREAM!!! Let's let this thread go to thread heaven....:cray:
 
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Ive done some reading and got three reads. Those closest to the vols John Ward, Randy Sanders, and Johnny Majors. I feel these guys have a little more insight to us forum boarders and arm chair qb's (myself included)

John ward: On several occasions that Chuck Webb was the best back he has seen during his broadcasting career.

Johnny Majors: He is the only RB that he would mention in the same sentence as Heisman Winner Tony Dorsett.

Randy Sanders: Chuck Webb was the best, Sanders said. He was a great football player. He was fast and tough, and mean with the ball in his hands. He wasn't motivated to win games but to embarrass the other team
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Nope - he wasn't "magical" like Webb. He was "magical" in his own way, which was "magical" but just not quite as "magical" as Chuck.

:rock:
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Jamal's "magic" to me was his being able to absolutley punish people to the point they didn't want to tackle him.

Can't comment on Chuck Webb, would love to see some footage.
 
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volstucknfl said:
I am no one on this board, but I'm so sick of this thread I could SCREAM!!! Let's let this thread go to thread heaven....:cray:
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A thought provoking thread asking people where they stand in a debate. With posts with a mix of personal opinions and factual stats in an effort to back a statement.

Yes, we don't need that, delete this thread.
 
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I was in school during the Webb era, and he was flat-out amazing.

However, I think Jamal Lewis was equally amazing his freshman year.

It is a shame that neither one got through their sophomore season without serious knee injuries. They were both Heisman-caliber players.

So, my conclusion is that they were about the same. They were both incredible players. UT has had some great backs over the years, but these two were head and shoulders above all the rest.
 
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Webb was better from a pure talent standpoint IMO... I think the reason he never made it in the NFL was he went out way too early and simply wasn't ready. He got lost on the shuffle so to speak, and he simply returned KO's at Green Bay. Once they let him go, that was it. I do wonder what would have happened if he would have stayed through at least his junior season. Could you have imagined having a backfield with Webb, Stewart, and Hayden?
 
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volsforever27 said:
Webb was better from a pure talent standpoint IMO... I think the reason he never made it in the NFL was he went out way too early and simply wasn't ready. He got lost on the shuffle so to speak, and he simply returned KO's at Green Bay. Once they let him go, that was it. I do wonder what would have happened if he would have stayed through at least his junior season. Could you have imagined having a backfield with Webb, Stewart, and Hayden?
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He had already been there for three years. You're wrong. He was ready for the NFL after one season.

Stewart or Hayden weren't in Garner's class either. And Hayden was better than Stewart, but was injury prone as well.
 
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Low Country Vol said:
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Editorial in 2005:

Chuck Webb: 296 yards versus Ole Miss in ’89. Enough said!
Could go inside or outside. Webb’s signature moment, though, came in a 78-yard zig-zagging run in the ’90 Cotton Bowl. UT historian Tom Mattingly claims it was the only time in his career he sat in a silent press box. “We were all just stunned by Chuck’s great run. David Climer of the Tennessean eventually uttered ‘Oh my goodness!’ breaking the silence,” Mattingly said. Webb ended the game by cracking the 250-yard mark on the ground in the Cotton Bowl! Johnny Majors maintains that the Cleveland, Ohio, native is only running back from his coaching days worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as Pitt’s Tony Dorsett. Webb’s career was cut short after a devastating knee injury in a September ’90 tune-up game versus Pacific. Adding irony to injury, Webb’s greatness ended on Neyland Stadium’s artificial surface in the first quarter in the open field. In that he did so much in so little time, Webb could be considered the James Dean of UT football. His great talent was enough of a carrot to allow the Green Bay Packers to draft Webb in the third round.
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They actually played Pacific after they had played Colorado in the Pigskin Classic. It ended in a tie. Webb was so good, he ran the ball on the last play of the game and came close to scoring on about a 55 yard run. Colorado had went into the prevent. Webb got all the way down to the five because he was trying to score a TD. He could have stepped out of bounds earlier and had a couple of seconds to try a long field goal. The clock literally ran out while he was running through the defense.

Greatest runningback in Vols history. Easily
 
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truefan said:
No way. Not even in the same league. You COULDN'T have seen him play. Jamal was great, but no better than Charlie Garner IMHO
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They were in the same league..I wouldn't say one was better than the other..Jamal had more ypc and more yards receiving...
 
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The Cobb-Webb era is when I started paying attention to the Vols. I was at the '90 Cotton Bowl and can still picture that run through the Arky defense. I vote for Chuck, barely over Jamal. With enough motivation, Jamal could've been the best ever...
 
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The best "all purpose" back was Stanley Morgan.

But the best "running back" was Chuck Webb. The guy was a wonderful talent! Lewis, Cobb, Graham, ect...were great, but Webb had the "it" factor (like another poster said). He couldhave been the best ever at UT without the injury. IMO!
 
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Jasongivm6 said:
They were in the same league..I wouldn't say one was better than the other..Jamal had more ypc and more yards receiving...
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Jason, no offense, but I saw them both in all their home games....and you're wrong on this one. Chuck Webb was the best running back ever on the Hill.

I have never seen anything like the duo of Cobb/Webb & yes.....I had the shirt.:eek:k:
 
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FWIW I have noticed a strong correlation between those who are old enough to remember seeing Webb play in '89 and those who would say he was better than Lewis. In fact, I'd wager the single biggest attribute of those who claim Lewis to be superior is that the vast majority (not saying there aren't exceptions) are not old enough to have actually witnessed Webb play.
 
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vol4eva said:
I've seen them both. Webb blew his knee out and was never the same afterword. I'm not trying to downplay Jamal, because he was great, but I would put Webb one notch behind Hershel and Bo.
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i would put chuck with hershel and bo. if he would have played all four years he would have rushed for over 6,000 yards, crushing the ut career record. he shared time as a freshmen with cobb and still had over 1000 yards rushing.
 
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