Chuck Webb Info???

#152
#152
As someone who does a lot of it, stop the statistical analyzing since none of you has any clue how to do it.

Thank you.:thumbsup:
 
#153
#153
Ohio Vol said:
As someone who does a lot of it, stop the statistical analyzing since none of you has any clue how to do it.

Thank you.:thumbsup:
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Oh really? We don't know how to do simple math? It doesn't take an Actuary. I'm sure most of us, atleast myself, got past this kind of math in, say, the 6th grade.
 
#154
#154
I'd love to have either one again, but most anyone who saw Webb play would have to give him the nod. Jamal and Travis were a great tandem, but there's never been anything like Cobb Webb IMO.
 
#155
#155
Webb was in the days when my sister was at UT, and that was all I heard people on campus talking about was Chuck Webb and what a RB he was.
 
#156
#156
I'm kinda late to the party but I'll pitch in.

I'd take Webb over any back that's ever been in Orange and wouldn't even think twice about it. Saw him play live and if you have done that, well, there seems to be a lot of agreement on that from those who qualify.

If, as it has been put forth, the bowl numbers are not included in his season stats for '89 then adding them in would give us:

11g/235att/1486yds/6.3ypc/14td

Those are astounding numbers for a Fr splitting time for the good part of a season. And for those somehow trying to downplay his 5.2ypc for '90 let's try to remember his mere 4.9ypc (27-131) in the opening game was against eventual co-national champion Colorado. Against Pacific before being injured he was on a 8.3ypc clip (3-25).

Just a couple points of interest but Webb was said to have run a 10.8 hundred in 7th grade and according to this site still sits atop the fastest 100M list for his area with a 10.68 time.

All-time City League Boys' Lists

Please note his hand times were in the 10.4's. A lot of people don't realize that a lot of those high school times you hear about, even at track meets, were hand timed. For instance, glance at the times given for the 100M winners from the TSSAA and you'll see, for instance, that LaMarcus Coker's '04 AAA champion time was a 10.85. I believe the only guy on the squad faster than Webb was Anthony Miller.
 
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#158
TennNC said:
I wish you could've seen him live. We were so confident back then b/c we knew we had something that nobody else could really stop. I don't remember Johnnie Jones, so I'd say Jamal Lewis was the next closest thing to Webb. Lewis' game against Ga freshman year made Peyton Manning look irrelevant to our offense. Too bad he didn't play against Fla. that year.
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I can unequivocably tell y'all Johnny Jones belongs in this conversation. He and Webb were both gliding type runners with great bursts and cutting abilities. Lewis was also very fast but had more power to run over tacklers. Based on personal opinion I liked to watch them all but Jones and Webb seemed to have that "magical" aura when they ran the ball. Lewis would knock you on your ass and then outrun the other guys. They are all great Tennessee running backs and I hate it that there is some degree of consternation among some of us trying to outduel the other guy with their "opinion". That's what it is, an opinion, and everybody is entitled to theirs.
 
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#159
volsgal03 said:
was that the game where the rain was pouring down?
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Yep, it was a very rainy day. I can still remember Cobb's 80 yard run down the sidelines.The Cobb-Webb was something special.

As far as Lewis goes he was a great back, but after his freshman year I always felt he was more concerned with making the NFL than giving his all for Tennessee.I still remember the 1999 game against Fla where it was 3rd and one and he couldn't get it on 2 tries.
 
#160
#160
chuck is one of my favorite vols. i had been living in arkansas since 75 and having to listen to how the hogs got raped in the 71 liberty bowl. everybody this side of the river was slobbering at the mouth, wanting to get even by humiliating the vols in the cotton bowl (1990). i was worried because they had the horsepower to do it. then, chuck webb took over the game. i tell you, i enjoyed it like you wouldn't believe.
 
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#161
Jasongivm6 said:
Oh really? We don't know how to do simple math? It doesn't take an Actuary. I'm sure most of us, atleast myself, got past this kind of math in, say, the 6th grade.
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It has nothing to do with simple math and everything to do with context. Comparing one guy in 1989/90 to one guy in 1997/98/99 based on raw numbers means absolutely nothing. If raw numbers were all that there was, then every pitcher from the 1960s is a Hall of Famer and every hitter from the 1990s is as well.

There's a ton of different variables that need to be looked at and balanced out as much as possible before just throwing out career numbers, season numbers, etc. I'm not going to look at them, but I'd be willing to bet that Hank Lauricella and Johnny Majors had really crappy rushing numbers in comparison to, say, anyone from 1980 on.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
It has nothing to do with simple math and everything to do with context. Comparing one guy in 1989/90 to one guy in 1997/98/99 based on raw numbers means absolutely nothing. If raw numbers were all that there was, then every pitcher from the 1960s is a Hall of Famer and every hitter from the 1990s is as well.

There's a ton of different variables that need to be looked at and balanced out as much as possible before just throwing out career numbers, season numbers, etc. I'm not going to look at them, but I'd be willing to bet that Hank Lauricella and Johnny Majors had really crappy rushing numbers in comparison to, say, anyone from 1980 on.
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There's a difference between 1960's pitchers and todady's pitchers, and Hank Lauricella and today's RB with the 7 and 8 year difference between Webb and Lewis. Come on, now, 7 and 8 years. They're comparable.
 
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#163
Jasongivm6 said:
There's a difference between 1960's pitchers and todady's pitchers, and Hank Lauricella and today's RB with the 7 and 8 year difference between Webb and Lewis. Come on, now, 7 and 8 years. They're comparable.
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:thumbsup:

I was going to say but I just let it go.
 
#164
#164
It's like saying you can't compare Casey Clausen to Erik Ainge. Too many years and philosophies between the 2.
 
#165
#165
I have been a long time reader of this board.
Though this thread made me register, so I can weigh
in on the subject.
First my brother was on those teams with Webb and Cobb.He played defense and said Webb was the best talent at UT.The Cotton Bowl in Dallas was great and
remember the Pigskin Classic against Colorado,Webb
saved the day.
Their is not a doubt in my mind that he would have
broken all sorts of records and been a 1st round pick
had ne not hurt his knee.
Those teams did have some amazing talent Majors
did a good job of recruiting and the classes weren't
top 10.
But a lot of good talent got wasted remember Greg
Amsler in the Sugar Bowl against UVA.
 
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#170
beantown said:
I have been a long time reader of this board.
Though this thread made me register, so I can weigh
in on the subject.
First my brother was on those teams with Webb and Cobb.He played defense and said Webb was the best talent at UT.The Cotton Bowl in Dallas was great and
remember the Pigskin Classic against Colorado,Webb
saved the day.
Their is not a doubt in my mind that he would have
broken all sorts of records and been a 1st round pick
had ne not hurt his knee.
Those teams did have some amazing talent Majors
did a good job of recruiting and the classes weren't
top 10.
But a lot of good talent got wasted remember Greg
Amsler in the Sugar Bowl against UVA.
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The 1988 recruiting class was one his best classes that helped win 2 SEC Championships. Carl Pickens and Webb were both First Team Parade all-americans. They had the number 1 DB in the country, Derrick Evans, but chose prison instead. They had key players from the 88 class that helped the 89-90 teams such as Ernest Fields, Andy Kelly, Shazzon Bradley, JJ McCleskey, Von Reeves, Jason Julian, Amsler, Poles.
 
#171
#171
Roland Poles was a nice guy from NY, but the coaches
sat Amsler for Poles and it took till the Sugar Bowl
till they realized the mistake and Amsler saved the day.
Also I'd also comment on recruiting back then seemed to care a lot more about character guys.Now it seems
like all the recruits care about positioning themselves
for the NFL draft.I'd rather have the guys you mentioned than any class of the last 5 years.
 
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#172
brg72 said:
The 1988 recruiting class was one his best classes that helped win 2 SEC Championships. Carl Pickens and Webb were both First Team Parade all-americans. They had the number 1 DB in the country, Derrick Evans, but chose prison instead. They had key players from the 88 class that helped the 89-90 teams such as Ernest Fields, Andy Kelly, Shazzon Bradley, JJ McCleskey, Von Reeves, Jason Julian, Amsler, Poles.
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that's the only issue I had with this post. I mean, Jason Julian? Did he ever do anything besides hold kicks?
 
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#173
TennNC said:
that's the only issue I had with this post. I mean, Jason Julian? Did he ever do anything besides hold kicks?
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Perhaps i should not have mentioned as a key player. He was a local talent along with Preston Warren on that team.

He played at CB early in the 89 season. His play diminished as the season progressed. If you ever see the 89 Auburn game you will see he had major minutes and made plays that were commended by the CBS announcers.

He was out of Halls High School and they were recruiting OL Randy Hall very hard. I think he was one of those they tried to get by offering his buddy a spot on the team.
 
#174
#174
Speaking of recruiting, I wish I still had my Football Time magazine from 1977. The info was hilarious compared to today. Instead of listing h.s. accomplishments, starts, etc., each new freshman had a "plays piano" or "likes guitar" or "loves to swim in the river" or "enjoys duck hunting" as their hobbies listed.
 
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