Butch Jones, the Intern...

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The Crimson Cried said:
If you think they wouldn't be interested in knowing the inner runnings of the Tennessee program over the past five years then I just don't see where you are coming from. There are so many small non coaching related details that could be used to Alabama's advantage.
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I see your point and while I do agree that he could definitely offer insight it seems as though most of it would be outdated and useless just based on how much different the program is probably being run by all the completely different people from the coaches to even the AD.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Saban has a habit of hiring former head coaches, either as coordinators or as analysts.

He will not be coaching on the field so you all can't boo him like you did Kiffin. I suspect that is what most of you are really mad about.
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You’re the only cat that’s mad on here. The rest of us are having a ball, giggling out arses off at this hilarious turn of events. It’s great!
 
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Saban schooled Butch for 5 years.Guess that wasn't enough.Butch is goin back to school and UT is paying him big time!
 
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Heard on the Sports tonight that Butch makes something like $40-45 thousand per year. That will be deducted from 8,000,000 that he is getting from us.
 
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The Crimson Cried said:
If you think they wouldn't be interested in knowing the inner runnings of the Tennessee program over the past five years then I just don't see where you are coming from. There are so many small non coaching related details that could be used to Alabama's advantage.
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Can you give any specifics here? What “inner runnings” are you possibly referring to?

Tennessee is a 100% irrelevant program to Alabama at the moment, have been for years now. The last thing Saban and Alabama are worried about us trying to gain an advantage over Tennessee imho.
 
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KBVol said:
And to think, the guy who we were counting on to match wits with Saban, to stand on the opposing sideline from Saban, to win recruiting battles vs Saban, to beat Saban on game days for the last 5 seasons......the only place he could land is at Alabama as Saban’s freaking Intern.
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Oh the irony.
 
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Scrolling through this post and the many others regarding Butch I can't help but think and grin at all of you who thought ole Butch was the greatest thing since sliced bread and the majority continued to 'believe' and deride those who weren't zealots to the very end...
 
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The Crimson Cried said:
If you think they wouldn't be interested in knowing the inner runnings of the Tennessee program over the past five years then I just don't see where you are coming from. There are so many small non coaching related details that could be used to Alabama's advantage.
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yeah, not knowing those intricate details about UT football has certainly hurt us the past 5 years hasn't it?

if this was a bartering deal, i think it's safe to say TN came way out on the better end of this deal than Bama did.

and it still won't have a thing to do with Bama winning next year's game.
 
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volfan102455 said:
It would depend upon how bad he did not work out. Tennessee has become career suicide for head coaches.

There is a reason why no big name HC would take the job and it is not just about the money.
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yeah, his name is Jimmy Haslam, primary owner of the cleveland browns. we didn't even try to hire anyone else besides Schiano. and by the time we did try, it was just desperation.
volfan102455 said:
Saban has a habit of hiring former head coaches, either as coordinators or as analysts.

He will not be coaching on the field so you all can't boo him like you did Kiffin. I suspect that is what most of you are really mad about.
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eff 'em all, right?:blink:
 
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KBVol said:
Can you give any specifics here? What “inner runnings” are you possibly referring to?

Tennessee is a 100% irrelevant program to Alabama at the moment, have been for years now. The last thing Saban and Alabama are worried about us trying to gain an advantage over Tennessee imho.
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Just what I was thinking. What area are we better than Bama>
 
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volfan102455 said:
Probably and with the right job at the right school he will be successful. He is not as bad a coach as folks want him to be.
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Yes, yes he is a bad football coach.

He literally has almost no coaching instinct, which was highlighted by admitted reliance on charts in his play-calling choices, and inability to make the correct call in goal-line and 4th-and-inches situations.

His record speaks for itself, having ridden Brian Kelly's recruiting for 3 years at each of his previous stops, it wasn't until he came to UT that he had to rely on his own recruiting, and it showed that he has a complete inability to recruit to the system he was trying to run, with talent wasting away on the bench, and highly athletic players signed that didn't fit in the offensive system that he had on the field.

He's a bad coach, and no matter how much you try to change the narrative, the history speaks for itself.
 
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volfan102455 said:
It would depend upon how bad he did not work out. Tennessee has become career suicide for head coaches.

There is a reason why no big name HC would take the job and it is not just about the money.
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Almost no matter how badly he did, at worst, he would be able to get a DC slot almost anywhere. There is no question whatsoever of his talents as a championship level DC coordinator. That is something Dooley nor CBJ could even sniff. Can he handle the whole enchillada remains to be seen but there is no program in the country that wouldnt want him as a DC.
 
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volfan102455 said:
It would depend upon how bad he did not work out. Tennessee has become career suicide for head coaches.

There is a reason why no big name HC would take the job and it is not just about the money.
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This is one of the most stupid things I have ever read on this forum. We have only had 5 head coaches since 1977:

Majors - '77-'92
Fulmer - '93-'08
Kiffin - '09
Dooley - '10-'12
Jones - '13-'17

Kiffin left for USC (his dream job). That leaves two head coaches since 1977 who were fired with less than 16 seasons of employment and didn't get another head coaching job and Majors went back to Pittsburgh and coached there from '93-'96.. but Dooley had a cushy WR coaching position with the Cowboys and is now an OC in the SEC and Jones was just fired 5 months ago! What kind of sample size (2) is that in 40 years for calling Tennessee "career suicide for head coaches". That is brain dead freaking stupid!
 
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volfan102455 said:
It would depend upon how bad he did not work out. Tennessee has become career suicide for head coaches.

There is a reason why no big name HC would take the job and it is not just about the money.
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Lol. So neither Dooley nor “The Bama Intern” failed Tennessee as its head coach....but rather, Tennessee failed them. Lol.

Truth is, both were awful hires by an administration that no longer valued the importance of the university's football program. Neither were up to the job, the job was just too big for them, and both ended up failing miserably, further setting the program back.

As far as why no “big name coach” would take the job.....word travels around quickly about good and bad jobs, and word was that the administration and at Tennessee was a mess due to poor/absent leadership and mettling/overreaching boosters (see: Haslam family, particularly Jimmy).

Regarding JP...he’s by far our best head coach hire since Fulmer given his pedigree as a winner and outstanding football mind. Unlike Lyle, he’s seen up close what a winning roster, what a winning program looks like. Only time will tell if he’s up to the job as a new head coach....but on paper, based on track records, JP has the best chance, by a country mile, to have success here. And if it somehow doesn’t work out for him here, he’ll be far from done as a P5 football coach....unlike Lyle who’s now fetching coffee and little Debbie snack cakes for Nick Saban, Pruitt will simply, and easily, move right back into a 7 figure DC position for a major P5 program.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This is one of the most stupid things I have ever read on this forum. We have only had 5 head coaches since 1977:

Majors - '77-'92
Fulmer - '93-'08
Kiffin - '09
Dooley - '10-'12
Jones - '13-'17

Kiffin left for USC (his dream job). That leaves two head coaches since 1977 who were fired with less than 16 seasons of employment and didn't get another head coaching job and Majors went back to Pittsburgh and coached there from '93-'96.. but Dooley had a cushy WR coaching position with the Cowboys and is now an OC in the SEC and Jones was just fired 5 months ago! What kind of sample size (2) is that in 40 years for calling Tennessee "career suicide for head coaches". That is brain dead freaking stupid!
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Logical rebuttal but the question remains, why are our recent coaching searches such abortions? Let's not get revisionist and say they were not that bad. Bad Ad's? Fulmer just inherited a list from Currie and started going down it until someone said yes. Hopefully this method ends up being just the ticket for success.
 
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OnlyGodForgives said:
Logical rebuttal but the question remains, why are our recent coaching searches such abortions? Let's not get revisionist and say they were not that bad. Bad Ad's? Fulmer just inherited a list from Currie and started going down it until someone said yes. Hopefully this method ends up being just the ticket for success.
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None of Fulmer’s candidates had Currie’s handwriting.
 
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05_never_again said:
On a serious note, what do these off-field "analysts" actually do? Just watch a bunch of film and discuss notes with the other assistants?
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They watch film of 85 individuals as they are giving 63 effort during their leadership reps. Then they analyze what they have seen and come up with a game plan whereby they can get each of those individuals to play complimentary football so that they can be champions of life. It's all about the fine details of winning football.
 
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OnlyGodForgives said:
Logical rebuttal but the question remains, why are our recent coaching searches such abortions? Let's not get revisionist and say they were not that bad. Bad Ad's? Fulmer just inherited a list from Currie and started going down it until someone said yes. Hopefully this method ends up being just the ticket for success.
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that's not true at all. if that were the case, Mike Leach would be our head coach today.
 
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