Any better than Dooley?

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gasguy98 said:
I don't know how long many of the posters on this site are but I suspect the average age to be about 25. I have a bit more time watching Tennessee football and I can tell you that even during Majors growing pains the team was almost always competitive.
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Then the SEC was about where the Big 10 is today...no comparison. We would be in the top 4 in the Yankee conference right now...
 
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EastTN said:
Franklin beat GA and FL and played SC very good with lesser talent so I don't like that argument at all. I am not so sure we are dealing with the best staff in the country as stated by Butch. Maybe the best staff in Cincy but I think Jones will need to make some changes to his staff or scheme before we see much out of this team. I realize we have a good class coming in and if that continues things will improve but how can Vandy be so good with less talent....hmmm you tell me??
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Leaders say what they need to motivate those under them. Take from that what you will.
 
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Is the record any better than when Dools was here? Are the scores in our defeats any ckoser than whe Dools was here?
 
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gasguy98 said:
I don't know how long many of the posters on this site are but I suspect the average age to be about 25. I have a bit more time watching Tennessee football and I can tell you that even during Majors growing pains the team was almost always competitive.
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LOL! I started following the Vols in 1982. I recall the talk of "maybe we can go 9-2 this year or even 10-1" because apparently 1981 was a good year or something. Then Majors promptly lost the home season opener to DUKE...BEFORE SOS was the coach there.

Majors always found a way to lose at least one game a year he was supposed to win, maybe more, and always froze up when he faced bammer. Plus one year before I moved to Knoxville...I think it was 77 he went 4-7 and then there was that time he lost to North Texas State at Neyland.

Butch has yet to lose to a team we are a huge favorite over, at least, and no one can argue that any of our losses this year were not to better teams, though I wish we could play Florida now.

And think about this, going back to your original post...in 2010 this was not "the exact same talent".

Hold up your right hand...now put up a finger...that's ONE. Now put up another finger...that's TWO. Now put up one more finger....that's THREE. One....two...three....it's been THREE YEARS since 2010...this is not "the exact same talent" as 2010.
 
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BanditVol said:
LOL! I started following the Vols in 1982. I recall the talk of "maybe we can go 9-2 this year or even 10-1" because apparently 1981 was a good year or something. Then Majors promptly lost the home season opener to DUKE...BEFORE SOS was the coach there.

Majors always found a way to lose at least one game a year he was supposed to win, maybe more, and always froze up when he faced bammer. Plus one year before I moved to Knoxville...I think it was 77 he went 4-7 and then there was that time he lost to North Texas State at Neyland.

Butch has yet to lose to a team we are a huge favorite over, at least, and no one can argue that any of our losses this year were not to better teams, though I wish we could play Florida now.

And think about this, going back to your original post...in 2010 this was not "the exact same talent".

Hold up your right hand...now put up a finger...that's ONE. Now put up another finger...that's TWO. Now put up one more finger....that's THREE. One....two...three....it's been THREE YEARS since 2010...this is not "the exact same talent" as 2010.
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Pretty sure N. Texas St. was on Battle's watch. He did lose to Duke in the early 80's, though.
 
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Dooley had more talent than this roster and he never beat a ranked team in 3 years. Yeah Jones has been blown out several times but he beat a top ten ranked team with less talent and, if we hold this class together, is bringing in more talent in one year than Dooley did in 3.

Just about the only good thing Dooley ever did, and I have to credit him for this, was getting CP. Without CP last year we lose another game or two, easily.
 
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PeytonManningVFL said:
Then the SEC was about where the Big 10 is today...no comparison. We would be in the top 4 in the Yankee conference right now...
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mmmm, I dunno. Bammer won the MNC in 78 and 79 and then uga won it in 1980...three years in a row while Majors was in the middle of rebuilding. The big 10 has not sniffed an NC since 2002....OSU did have the misfortune of making the game in 2007 and 2006 though, lol.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Pretty sure N. Texas St. was on Battle's watch. He did lose to Duke in the early 80's, though.
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You're right...but while we are on the topic of 1982, that was also the year that Majors upset bammer (who I think was ranked no.1) then turned around and lost to a lousy Ga Tech team the very next week. Another trademark of Majors...win big one week and then suck the next.

I don't really call that being competitive week in and week out, in fact it was the opposite.

Likely he went on an all week bender after beating bammer and was drunk or hung over during the Ga Tech game.
 
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BanditVol said:
mmmm, I dunno. Bammer won the MNC in 78 and 79 and then uga won it in 1980...three years in a row while Majors was in the middle of rebuilding. The big 10 has not sniffed an NC since 2002....OSU did have the misfortune of making the game in 2007 and 2006 though, lol.
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If Ohio State is average and Michigan is down, they have a decent shot every year. They're the most overrated team of all time, IMO.
 
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gasguy98 said:
Dooley should have beat LSU in his first year but didn't.
Dooley beat Cincy when he played Jones with this talent we see on the field now.

Jones almost beat UGA (minus two of their best O players). We did beat SC with a great play by North but every other competitive game has been a blowout and now we are seeing the team flat out give up.

I love the energy Jones brings, the cute slogans etc. but lets be honest....Dooley would have fared just as well this year. We see the exact same level of intensity that Dooley produced with pretty much the exact same results.

When SEC rivals set new records against team 117 it is not improvement. We simply have not improved one iota under Jones and it has me concerned that this turn around (if we are having one) is going to be a lot longer than many of us have the stomach for.

Fire away...
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This IS Dooley's team, why don't we wait to see what Butch's guys will do. If you don't support the Vols now don't jump on the bandwagon when we win a national championship in a few years.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
Dooley had more talent than this roster and he never beat a ranked team in 3 years. Yeah Jones has been blown out several times but he beat a top ten ranked team with less talent and, if we hold this class together, is bringing in more talent in one year than Dooley did in 3.

Just about the only good thing Dooley ever did, and I have to credit him for this, was getting CP. Without CP last year we lose another game or two, easily.
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Dooley did have a couple more athletes who were talented but he also had to contend with their head-cases to!
 
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BanditVol said:
LOL! I started following the Vols in 1982. I recall the talk of "maybe we can go 9-2 this year or even 10-1" because apparently 1981 was a good year or something. Then Majors promptly lost the home season opener to DUKE...BEFORE SOS was the coach there.

Majors always found a way to lose at least one game a year he was supposed to win, maybe more, and always froze up when he faced bammer. Plus one year before I moved to Knoxville...I think it was 77 he went 4-7 and then there was that time he lost to North Texas State at Neyland.

Butch has yet to lose to a team we are a huge favorite over, at least, and no one can argue that any of our losses this year were not to better teams, though I wish we could play Florida now.

And think about this, going back to your original post...in 2010 this was not "the exact same talent".

Hold up your right hand...now put up a finger...that's ONE. Now put up another finger...that's TWO. Now put up one more finger....that's THREE. One....two...three....it's been THREE YEARS since 2010...this is not "the exact same talent" as 2010.
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Tennessee did lose the home opener to Duke 25-24 in 1982, however Spurrier was there as Duke's O.C. By the way, it was Bill Battle who lost to N.Texas St in 1975, not Majors.
 
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EZE said:
Majors was 4-7 his first season. He had non-winning seasons in 3 of his first 4 seasons. Rebuilding jobs never happen immediately.

The program was a mess when Majors came back. It was in every bit as much of a mess when Butch arrived.

I don't like losing either, but you have to give a new coach time.
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Guess 3 years was Dooleys limit ,right?
 
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gasguy98 said:
I don't know how long many of the posters on this site are but I suspect the average age to be about 25. I have a bit more time watching Tennessee football and I can tell you that even during Majors growing pains the team was almost always competitive.
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Yea and the SEC wasn't quite as monstrous back then either...
 
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Why is this thread still going?.....

Probably the dumbest thread I've seen here....minus Gruden threads.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Tennessee did lose the home opener to Duke 25-24 in 1982, however Spurrier was there as Duke's O.C. By the way, it was Bill Battle who lost to N.Texas St in 1975, not Majors.
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Yeah, someone already corrected me on the Battle thing.

So SOS was Duke OC in 1982? Huh...interesting. Still not an excuse though, Duke was just terrible back then.

Later in that same year, Johnny beat bama when they were no. 1, then proceeded to lose to Ga Tech by 10 the next week, and finally capped off the season by losing to Vandy (though Vandy did go to a bowl that year).

That season was my first in Knoxville, and it formed an impression of Majors that practically never changed. He was sooooo....dam....inconsistent. The sole exception might be 1989 but even that year we lost to bammer much worse than we should have.
 
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governmentmule said:
i actually don't think that Dooley was as bad as some on here say,if Wilcox and company had of been retained,i do think that CDD would still be coaching and you have to remember,scoring points wasn't his problem
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But, Wilcox and company left because they knew Dooley was a loser, so that kind of knocks your point in the head.

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Backwards K said:
But, Wilcox and company left because they knew Dooley was a loser, so that kind of knocks your point in the head.

:no:
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wasn't it Hart that told them no contracts over a year ? and then Sunseri was given a good contract ? I don't think it was Dooley on that end
 
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mgutvol03 said:
This IS Dooley's team, why don't we wait to see what Butch's guys will do. If you don't support the Vols now don't jump on the bandwagon when we win a national championship in a few years.
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I will always support the Vols. This thread was a simple question:

Are the results we see on the field any better than when Dooley was here? It is a legit question for fans to discuss.

I am not bailing on him, just asking the question. I expected to see the team 117 perform better due to better coaching. Not necessarily more wins. I do not see better performance.
Will that change? I hope and think it will but for the here and now I see no difference.
 
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gasguy98 said:
I will always support the Vols. This thread was a simple question:

Are the results we see on the field any better than when Dooley was here? It is a legit question for fans to discuss.

I am not bailing on him, just asking the question. I expected to see the team 117 perform better due to better coaching. Not necessarily more wins. I do not see better performance.
Will that change? I hope and think it will but for the here and now I see no difference.
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It was a stupid question. Butch is in the middle of his first year with half of a recruiting class in place. He's clearly a better coach than Dooley. It simply gives a forum to all of the idiots that don't know the first thing about football and think that they can look like they do by complaining and going negative.

Hate it for ya if that seems harsh but that about sums it up.:peace2:
 
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Cant disagree because none of you know the future. I do know CBJ can recruit in the SEC. Can he coach at the SEC level? Not with the current team. I'll wait and see for improvment next year.
 
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I posted this on another thread as a response to Dooley's inability to coach and recruit. I thought it was probably more appropriate for this thread. I'm obviously not a fan DD even though I wanted him to succeed as our coach when he was here. To ask if Butch is any better than Dools is just laughable.

The Dooley damage actually goes deeper than that. He, as our coach, had a fundamental belief that UT couldn't compete and rather than trying to step up, challenge the players and change that, he coached to it. It happened in every game to some extent but was glaringly evident in the Mizzou game last year. How do you play for overtime when you have two of the best receivers in the SEC, a QB that can flat sling the ball around. You play to at least get in field goal range and try to win in regulation. The decision to play for overtime is a slap in the face to the team and tells them in no uncertain terms "I have no faith that you can get it done"! It was sickening and Dooley was a coward and a loser for playing and coaching like this.

Yes, I am still a bit disjointed about the way Dooley destroyed this team from a competitive standpoint. The way he mentally destroyed this team is worse than his recruiting and Xs &Os. It is CBJ most difficult challenge to turn around.
 
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